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Element

Okay, so even though I'm fairly certain we're not going to have a lot to discuss about, might as well since it'll come up eventually. So, the main question is, what exactly is the element in White Dragon Slayer Magic? The only possible options that are reasonable at the moment is Light or "Holiness", as Porlyusica recently thought of in the latest Chapter. Since it's actually unclear as to what his element really is, saying it's either right now would be speculation, wouldn't it? But that would mean we would have to remove every instance of White Dragon Slayer Magic possessing the element of Light or Holiness. I'm more in favor of removing what his element seemingly is until we actually know for sure. Glass Heart (GHeart) 01:09,8/18/2012 

Support Support -I think it's light, since Natsu was able to eat it, and light produces heat (Like the sun....=)....But "thinking" is just another word for speculationIndifferentSo I say we do what Glass is saying =D.
Chibi StingMega Chibi Cobra 01:14, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

"Holiness" obviously referred to light. "Holiness" isn't an element. "Holiness" can't be eaten. "Holiness" doesn't have shape. It's light... RelikzBickslow Doll3Talk 04:05, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

So why do the call the bread of Christ: Holy <-----Don't good people eat it...or something o_O?
Chibi StingMega Chibi Cobra 04:08, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

I think that the White Dragon Slayer magic is like the name says, White Magic. It may or may not be the opposite of Dark Magic, or even Zeref's Black Magic. Sting keeps on refering to his magic in reference to holy, purity and judgement. However, it is represented physically and maagically as light. (Shadoguardian (talk) 04:13, August 18, 2012 (UTC))

Support Support - I think it would be light because his roar did look like it. ZerefLucy 12th openinhVermillion15:19,8/18/2012 15:19, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

From a seminarian's perspective: I think his element is definitely Light..not holiness. I think "Holiness" is an aspect of Light..@Mega the body of Christ is holy because it is blessed during the mass and I also do not think Sting is a christian/catholic douchebag..†○† The Venerable Bede †○†Mato Day 3 Full○Wanna Talk?○04:00, August 19, 2012 (UTC)

Holy has been use an element in stuff like Final Fantasy and other games and animes with magic, if Mashima wants it to be an element in his story our world's logic doesn't matter. White DF magic works a little different than the other light magic we seen in the manga since White magic has a seal to paralize opponents and a powered punch and regular magic has only been lasers and blinding lights. The article is fine the way it is since it mentions the fact that it looks like like and that it has been called holy, we should just wait until Sting himself confirms what his powers really is.--Masgrande (talk) 08:07, August 19, 2012 (UTC)

I say it's Light because he fired a laser... The "Holy" thing is just Sting trying to act cool for his girlfriend Lector. Jura From Video Game Herme 阿部 15:35,9/7/2012

(Ergo Logos (talk) 14:55, June 25, 2015 (UTC))Can someone please explain the sudden name change to Light Dragon Slayer Magic? I feel this should be settled by listening to the Japanese versions. If the Japanese itself says "Hikari no metsu-ryu maho", then I can understand. However, I'm watching the anime, episode 175, and I'm hearing "haku-ryu" most of the time. It really seem like Sting is saying "White Dragon's ______" every time he attacks. Is this a case of the name of the magic being different than the attacks? It really shouldn't matter what we agree on Sting's element as being. Sting's element is based off of Weisslogia's status as a dragon. If Weisslogia is referring to himself as the White Dragon, then it makes sesne that Sting's dragon slayer magic is White Dragon's Dragon Slayer magic. Unless, of course, the Japanese kanji contradicts it.

Monthly Fairy Tail magazine states the magic is called Light Dragon Slayer magic-- God · Pray · 16:33,6/25/2015 

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Alright, let's solve this once and for all. People keep moving Sting's attacks from one section to another... Basic, Advanced, Basic, Advanced... That's enough. Let's discuss which ones should go where. If you ask me, I think Holy Nova is the only spell worth considering Advanced due to it being preceded by the Dragon Slayer's Secret Arts phrase. What do you guys think?

-- Aldarinor Laxus Sprite Talk  Contribs  12:17, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

Who keeps moving it? Anyway, yes, Holy Nova is the only spell that has been called a Secret Dragon Slayer Art. RelikzBickslow Doll3Talk 19:50, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. Jura From Video Game Herme 阿部 15:30,9/7/2012

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Got more of them that could possibly fit as a replacement for the manga one, so I'm opening us a discussion. Vote vote! Miskos3 Message 09:35, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

(Cancel this vote) Just WTH happened? ( ._.) Looks like the manga image were split into AP1 and AP3! >.> Oh well, I think I'll Support Support - AP3.
Plue without background Haru. Choko. Tobi. 10:35, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Support Support - Proposal 4. MiraMajinMirajane Chibi 2Talk! 13:15,3/23/2013

Miskos-san trolls with Choko a lot! Emoticon_crying.png Anyway, I Support Support - AP4!
Plue without background Haru. Choko. Tobi. 13:27, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Support Support - 4!!! Pick 4, everyone!!! 4 FTW! *^*
Chibi Sting Mega ♦ Talk Chibi Cobra   14:33, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Support Prop 4 - When a Sting fangirl says pick prop 4, YOU MUST PICK PROP 4! >:O
 Mint   Talk   ♥  15:11, 3/23/2013 

Support Proposal 3 and 4 - Moreso 4.
.:Umy:.Juvia&#039;sPictureForUmneiSignature 15:39, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Support Prop 4 - Gildarts CliveNatsu and Happy 20:07, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Support Prop 4 - 4 is my favorite number, anyway! *^*
Sting Eucliffe ChibiWrath-kun Rogue Cheney Chibi 20:31, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Support Support - AP 4  Iliyana  Petkova    23:34, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Support Prop 4 the win! - See what I did there? :P It's a very nice shot that one ^__^ ☆°・*CarrotSays...*・°☆ 04:58, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Support Prop 4 - Looks better. RifatmfaridNatsu and HappyTalk 07:02, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

White Dragon's Iron Fist

To be blunt, WTF happened to it? ~The Wallflower~Wendynan16:35,11/29/2015 16:35, November 29, 2015 (UTC)

Everything spin-off related doesn't have it's own page no more so it got deleted. Same with Abyss Horn and pages like that... all spin off info is just relegated to it's spin off page now NcduruRavens wallpaper (2) 16:40, November 29, 2015 (UTC)

Hm. Odd. I'm not sure why documenting less information is an improvement, but whatever (not being snarky, just genuinely confused).~The Wallflower~Wendynan16:46,11/29/2015 16:46, November 29, 2015 (UTC)
Because this is Fairy Tail Wikia. Not FT and *insert random filler spin off* Wikia. We have full hands with the main series already. Read more here. Miskos3 Message 16:56, November 29, 2015 (UTC)

Name

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The name of this magic was changed from White Dragon Slayer Magic to Light Dragon Slayer Magic based on the information provided in the Fairy Tail Monthly magazine, which contained the FT Zero chapters along with some stuff in regards to specific character(s).

However, to this day, I question the credibility of the information released in the magazine, as it's most likely not written by Mashima himself, or at the very least, there is no proof of that. This is literally Fairy Tail's version of databooks that other series sometimes release and let me just tell you about all the bullshit that Bleach or Attack on Titan databooks ended up containing, with the latter even forcing the series' author to come forward and debunk some wrong information.

Furthermore, let's look at the Fairy Tail manga itself, there has NEVER been a mention of Sting using the element of light, in fact, Mavis referred to his ability as 'holy attribute magic', thus Holy Ray and such. All his other spells are called White Dragon's Something. Every Dragon Slayer magic has the same prefix for the magic name, as well as its spells. Therefore, it makes no sense for Sting's magic to be LDS.

And one more point, do you all remember Sting's very first appearance? He was attacked by a dark mage who shot an arrow at him. Sting proceeded to eat that arrow, much to everyone's confusion as it was clearly made of metal. Thankfully, we have the anime to make things clear: the arrow was white.

Thus, I wholeheartedly Support Support - the name to be changed back to White Dragon Slayer Magic.

Miskos3 Message 22:18, September 4, 2016 (UTC)

Support Support -, besides, in the anime, Light was always portrayed with yellow color.

HamodyKeyes FT siteAsgail 22:24, September 4, 2016 (UTC)

Support Support - *whistles*
WrathRogue ChibiZero 23:51, September 4, 2016 (UTC)

Support Support - Ncduru 23:55, September 4, 2016 (UTC)

Support Support - DisneySeggewys (talk) 02:05, September 5, 2016 (UTC)

Support Support - NoNickNeeded (talk) 08:50, September 5, 2016 (UTC)

Support Support - I was actually wondering myself when the change happened.Virgo in ECS arc (no background)Animaltamer7Virgo Key12:00, September 5, 2016 (UTC)~

So I wasn't the only one who didn't even notice. ^^ NoNickNeeded (talk) 12:27, September 5, 2016 (UTC)

Support Support - DispellingSiegrain ChibiMage12:03,9/5/2016

Neutral Neutral - I think the change was about a year or two from around now.--Sky-Dragoon-Twilight (talk) 13:45, September 5, 2016 (UTC)

Support Support - Onfire.gif Wonder Talk 15:51,9/5/2016

Support Support - Sure Derax PaganiDerax Signature Image 15:55, September 5, 2016 (UTC)

Support Support - *kisses Misk* Iam...    JakuhōRaikōben19:13,9/5/2016

Discussion

While I have no problem with this particular change (as I also highly doubt a lot of the information in MFTM), I we may had opened up another can of worms here in regards to MFTM. To my knowledge, there was a lot of stuff that was changed based on the information in the magazine (which I don't think any of them were confirmed to be from Mashima). So if we change this, then we must go back and revert the changes for the magic names at least, and review all other changes made based on info from the magazine. Just to reiterate, I have no problem with this change; I personally believe the majority of the magazine, aside from zero and interviews with Mashima (the fact that there are interviews with him makes it more suspicious) is just a bunch of baloney written by random staff writers.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 17:46, September 5, 2016 (UTC)

I kind of agree, but only kind of, because, as far as I'm aware, none of those changes were directly against what the series has shown us. In other words, I say we consider the magazine as a secondary source, similar to anime: if it gives us some information that doesn't contradict the manga, then good, let's keep it, but if it makes up stuff like Light Dragon Slayer Magic when the manga has a lot of points against that, then the change should be undone. Miskos3 Message 17:51, September 5, 2016 (UTC)

And that's where I disagree. Some of the magic names were changed from names given in the manga to the ones from the magazine. Manga trumps all. And I don't think the magazine is credible enough to even be considered a secondary source. With the anime, we at least know Mashima is involved in some way or another, but with the magazine, there is no way of telling whatsoever unless it's an interview. We can't take the lazy way out of it. It's either credible or it's not. We can't use something based on the notion of it doesn't contradict the series. Otherwise we may as well start using spin-off information in regular articles. There is a lot of non-canon/unconfirmed stuff that doesn't contradict the series. Also, I still don't see why people ever saw MFTM as some kinda special databook. All it was to me was a marketing tool to sell DVDs.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 18:15, September 5, 2016 (UTC)

We could debate on how much Mashima is involved with the anime as well. He may be said to 'oversee' things, but what does that really mean? It's the same with the magazine, really. I'm fairly certain he had a say in some things, but he definitely didn't personally write all the articles from it, that I'm sure of.

Spin offs are irrelevant because they are separate, different stories, while the magazine is simply trying to retell or expand on the information known from the main series. Also, that's what databooks are imo, just some random shit put together by some random staff for marketing purposes.

You know, I just dislike the 'all or nothing' approach. That is the easy way out imo. Miskos3 Message 18:25, September 5, 2016 (UTC)

No, the easy way out is people not being bothered to go back and check all the changes made based on the magazine, and just changing the ones that are noticeably incorrect. If you really want to make everything a case by case basis, then all changes made based on the magazine need to be reviewed, just like this one.

The magazine hardly trys to expand anything. Analysis a character's clothing or who a character's most likely to marry doesn't expand on anything (at least not anything significant). The articles even cite manga chapter pages for reference. The fact that the majority of the articles are speculatory analysis of series proves it's not legit.

And according to Mashima in one of his volume afterwords, MFTM is a fanbook, not a databook. There is a difference. Fanbooks contain fun little tidbits like analysis, activities, art, interviews etc. Databooks give actual data; like age, height, weight, fighting statistics (much like the Naruto databooks). Databooks are usually by the original author, and fanbooks are usually by random staff writers. There is a difference. There is nothing of significance whatsoever in MFTM aside from the mangas.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 18:51, September 5, 2016 (UTC)

Last time I checked, we always use what doesn't contradict the manga. Spin-offs are the only exception because we cannot possibly fit all those bytes onto our pages, ergo we condensed them so as to reduce byte count, and to keep things clean. I direct you to using video game names for spells that were unnamed in the manga and anime, and using anime names for things that were unnamed in the manga. If things in that magazine are written that don't contradict the manga, but are directed at source content, not randomly written side-stories that have nothing to do with the main story, then there is no problem. Changing this and leaving the rest alone is perfectly acceptable. And that's just flat out what is going to be done, because I despise the all-or-nothing approach, and there is literally precedent for every single case like this one. If we can use video game names that don't contradict the source (and the video games have 0 Mashima input, bar a few cases), then I see no reason to immediately go through and revert all MFTM changes just because we change this one in particular back.
WrathRogue ChibiZero 02:15, September 6, 2016 (UTC)

Fair enough then. But as far as I'm aware this isn't the only article that has contradicting information. There were a number of things aside from this that had names given in the manga, but were changed to ones in the magazine (eg. Capture Ho Ho Hou being changed to just Capture). Surely in these cases the where it's manga vs magazine, the manga takes precedence (those at least need to be checked).--DuelMaster93 (talk) 04:02, September 7, 2016 (UTC)

Those are fair points and they can be brought up on individual talk pages, though I think arguments in particular can be made for Capture and all of Fukuro's spells. Particularly just because of his mannerisms, but I digress.
WrathRogue ChibiZero 04:10, September 7, 2016 (UTC)

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