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Death[]
She is dead and it was confirmed. Dr. Dementor 04:09, June 14, 2013 (UTC) Where's the source so we could add it Faeri-Teru-Nomato (talk) 06:00, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
Ultear's Last Age[]
Does it really kills her actually?—This unsigned comment was made by ScottKazama (talk • contribs) .
Deceased[]
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Shouldn't she be deceased? Because it was stated in Chapter 355Faeri-Teru-Nomato (talk) 06:06, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
- It wasn't stated that she's dead and I believe it's too early to declare it since it's yet to be confirmed, so we'll wait.
6:26AM, June 15, 2013 - Actually my lovely daughter, it was stated that if she used that spell, she would die. She used that spell, therefore, she is considered deceased.
18:07, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
Oppose - Sure she thinks she will die, but that doesn't mean she dies within 30 seconds of casting the spell. She might linger on for a few minutes or even hours, which could equal several chapters. Remember that the last two chapters all happened within two minutes (or rather twice within in the same minute). NoNickNeeded (talk) 18:26, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
- It was directly stated that upon completion, you die. She completed it, she died. It's really that simple.
WrathZero 18:27, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
Oppose' - patience child, patience. let us wait and see if some deus ex machina is used--Quoth The Raven "Nevermore" ' 18:29, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
- If some Deus ex Machina is used, then she will be brought back. As it stands, she is deceased, ergo, she will be marked as deceased.
WrathZero 18:31, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
- Yet Gray was dead for a chapter and he wasn't changed. RainbowShifter 18:35, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
- No, you just assumed that he died.
18:37, June 15, 2013 (UTC) - Actually, we had no confirmation on that in Chapter 334. We had confirmation in this chapter that Gray actually did die, and that Ultear dies if she uses Last Ages. Gray got injured on a cliffhanger, so we had nothing to go on. Ultear had a full blown flashback, a usage, and a resolution, as well as all side effects that went with it explained. She used it.
WrathZero 18:40, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
- No, you just assumed that he died.
- Yet Gray was dead for a chapter and he wasn't changed.
Oppose - What's the hurry? If I got a dollar every time a FT character said they'd die, I'd be almost rich by now. Raven
(S)talk18:31,6/15/2013
Oppose - But, like with Gray's "death" and Erza's "death" (ToH arc), something or someone could stop her from dying. We don't fully know yet and could at least wait for the next chapter to comfirm. 
RainbowShifter 18:32, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
lol guys there is no voting here. it was stated that she dies when she uses the spells and she used it. so whether you support or oppose, its still going to be considered deceased until confirmed alive.
18:33, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
Then close the discussion. >______>
*:･ﾟ✧ ★ ★ ✪*:･ﾟ✧ ★ ★ (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧ 18:38, 6/15/2013
Template[]
Since she was considered deceased by the previous discussion, shouldn't her template be changed to match other deceased characters? Also adding her to the "Deceased" category. Martios (talk) 18:51, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
- Will do. Also, @discussion above, way to jump into conclusions. Miskos3 Message 19:36, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
Chapter 399[]
As of chapter 339, Ultear is revealed to be alive, abeit crippled with old age. However the last page in the chapter is unclear whether she dies or not, the "Goodbye my beloved people" quote along with the panel that appears more faded than the previous panels supports the idea of her dying in peace. Question is, should we leave the page as her "deceased" or change it back? --FTB UltearM (talk) 12:17, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
& she's no longer Independent Mage as she retire as the result of Last Ages.
I think putting her status to unknown would be best. NoNickNeeded (talk) 18:07, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
I think the best option is to put "Alive" because she's still alive in this very moment... we must confirm if she will die in old age through the next chapters, waiting is really a good option. --Thek-power (talk) 12:16, July 6, 2013 (UTC)
"Changing Young Ultear face to Old Ultear Face[]
Since the latest manga chapters revealed that Ultear became old by using her own magic. I think we should change her young picture to her old appearance.--Thek-power (talk) 12:19, July 6, 2013 (UTC)
Status[]
Shouldn't Ultear be deceased? She sacrificed her life for the taboo magic and she has made her last words in chapter 339
Happythecat (talk) 08:02, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
She turned into an old lady. And even if she said "goodbye my people" doesn't mean that she's really dead. Maybe that goodbye is meant for her to live her current life in peace - Not participating in battles and all - since like she said, she now managed to forgive her self.
Guys, did I get this right..? ( ._.)
It wasn't really shown that she died after she turned into an old lady, after all. We can't assume. We can't speculate. 
8:10AM, July 7, 2013
- Hmm,You might be 100% right, but I say it's speculation when you don't consider her dead..since the magic she used certainly is supposed to kill her accordin' to the info we have.--彡•Roranoa zoro Talk|☠|⚠|【08:17,7/7/2013】
- She transformed into an old lady, and when she did, it wasn't shown she died. =_= She just looked up to the sky and do the drama. 8:21AM, July 7, 2013
- She transformed into an old lady, and when she did, it wasn't shown she died. =_= She just looked up to the sky and do the drama.
- I agree with Red. While the magic said that she could have died, we saw that Gray at least had recognized her. However, we cannot really say that she absolutely is alive at this moment in time, and we had a little discussion about this on chat, but Miskos and myself thought that the Unknown status would be best for Ultear at this point. Toshiro♥Fan♥Girl 14:16, July 7, 2013
Just my two cents. If you don't want to click the link, I'll summarise - the last we saw of her was alive. And walking across the country no less. Old does not equal dead as I'm sure some young scamps confuse them as such. :3 Kuro Ashi 14:31, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
She is 100% alive. She is just old now. I thought that was perfectly clear in Chapter 339--God
Pray 15:22,7/7/2013
She is alive. During her note, did she not say her spell malfunctioned? Even her letter insinuated "she didnt have much time left", meaning she isnt dead. As God said, it was kind of perfectly clear...
:Umnei:
16:30, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
Quote[]
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Her quote is clearly outdated. I took some from chapter 339, though it's the Mangapanda translation. I don't know what you use here for quotes, but they are:
- "Live my share of life and fight. I hope your journey will bring happiness to everyone."
- "I always cursed my own life. The anxiety, anger and hatred I couldn't suppress. However, when I stopped to look at the sky... I realized just how small I am. There is an endless world spreading before me."
- "The light pouring down and illuminating that small me. It was almost as if that light was a shower washing away my sins."
Please comment, thanks! Martios (talk) 01:40, July 19, 2013 (UTC)
Another Option:
- "I've lived a cursed life... deceiving and mocking people... doing with their lives whatever I pleased... But Gray, you gave me another chance at this life... as a neutral guild, Crime Sorcière was supposed to be my repentance... yet I haven't changed a bit. I'm still a heartless witch who wouldn't think twice about killing someone. I... I don't deserve to live. So if my life is what it takes to return this world to normal... then so be it!!!"
03:57, July 19, 2013 (UTC)
Support - 4
03:57, July 19, 2013 (UTC)
#2 - Definitely the best one IMO and matches her current, redeemed personality perfectly. #4 is good too, but it's kinda long.
#2 - I agree with Raven bro~!
✪ User Page ✪ User Talk ✪ 19:09, 7/19/2013
#2 - I agree with Choko who agrees with Raven! 4 is nice, but a bit too long imo. Miskos3 Message 19:13, July 19, 2013 (UTC)
2 - I agree with Miskos who agrees with Choko who agrees with Raven but opposes Reli. ( .____.)
Wrath
Zero 20:00, July 19, 2013 (UTC)
2' -bandwagon--Quoth The Raven "Nevermore" ' 20:45, July 19, 2013 (UTC)
Support - 2 - They're all so.. gypsifying but I suppose that's the best of the bunch. And yes, her current quote is quite outdated
:Umnei: 21:53, July 19, 2013 (UTC)
#2 - It's a good quote and I'm totally not bandwagoning KurokamiZero ♦ Talk ♦ Contribute 23:52, July 19, 2013 (UTC)
4 - Number four shows the point where she started to repent for her sins and her motivation for giving her own youth/life to atone for them. It also contains much of what her personality was before the time-skip, and like I said, the point of resentment. The others are, in my opinion, premature.
Mega
Talk 00:09, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
#2 - I dunno... I just like it the most and it represents closest imo her current thoughts about herself and life in general. As such, I support it more than the others. ☆°・*CarrotSays...*・°☆ 10:37, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
Numero ２ - minty-cha • talk Time left at → 12:20, 7/20/2013
Support 2 - NoNickNeeded (talk) 15:35, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
Support #2 - It's more relevant... --
Wood • Chan 
17:20,7/20/2013 17:20, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
Ultear manipulated Jellal[]
Wasn't it already known that Ultear was the one who manipulated Jellal and turned him evil when he was at the Tower of Heavens? Manga and the Anime team already proved that to be a fact, and yet it wasn't in any of the history section, or any of the synopsis section...
Also, according to episode 185, Ultear was AT Tower of Heavens and did not conjure any of the "dark entity" as listed in her Possession Magic. Should that still be mentioned that she conjured a creature(unless that's shown in the manga, as I didn't read the manga that far back)?
49.184.77.98 15:00, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
Why aren't we talking about this?
..::ShinShinTo::. 05:51, September 1, 2014 (UTC)
Ultear's Telekinesis[]
Has Ultear actually been show using Telekinesis on any living sentient being? In chapter 42, Ultear is shown to explain her manipulation of the orb's movement as manipulation of its time. It doesn't refer to just restoring it when broken. She moves it forward by saying that she'll move it to its future, stops it and says that she can even stop its time. So, should Telekinesis be included under Arc of Time for her instead of as a separate magic? --Sane Lunatic (talk) 16:54, August 29, 2014 (UTC)
Hmmmm, you do make a good point and I don't in fact remember seeing her use telekinesis on anything besides her orb. I haven't read the start of FT though, so I don't remember any of these conversations about how she moves her orb about, but, if what you say is true, I agree that the spell should be moved to be under Arc of Time, or even removed altogether if she's manipulating the time of the orb and not the actual orb itself. ☆°・*CarrotSays...*・°☆ 02:24, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
Moving object by sending it to its future
Stopping object by stopping its time
Clearly stated here that Telekinesis is part of Arc of Time, not a separate ability. Adding it under Arc of Time without linking it to the Telekinesis page might be better than deleting it though as it is definitely an ability which Ultear has explained as well as used. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 09:24, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
- Move it under Arc of Time. ^__^ 夢Iam... 黒 JakuhōRaikōben死22:20,9/11/2014
Demon Manipulation[]
In chapter 42, Ultear states that her intention is to control Deliora. This must obviously be through some sort of magic. Does this come under Possession Magic or is it something completely different? Something like F. Rogue's Dragon Supremacy Magic? I have no real idea about this, just think it should be mentioned under Magic & Abilities as it seems noteworthy ... --Sane Lunatic (talk) 17:09, August 29, 2014 (UTC)
If it's never stated, we do not add it, nor do we speculate or draw comparisons to other parts of the series, even if they could be similar. As such, it isn't and will not be mentioned. ☆°・*CarrotSays...*・°☆ 02:24, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
Hair Color + Eye Color[]
Wasn't Ultear's hair originally black? I found it in the first two pages of Chapter 1, and saw that in the manga, her hair as well as her eyes are black. Can it be that they were both corrected later?--Shay372 (talk) 10:29, September 24, 2014 (UTC)
In the anime, why did Ultear's eyes turn red after joining Crime Sorcière? Danny1101 (talk) 10:37, June 13, 2017 (UTC)
Either because the anime team messed up or made a (in my opinion) stupid decision. NoNickNeeded (talk) 10:53, June 13, 2017 (UTC)
Telekinesis in the Arc of Time?[]
I doubt that Telekinesis belongs to Arc of Time. It's a type of Magic, not a spell.Dispelling
Mage 19:28, October 2, 2014 (UTC)
She's back[]
Add the new info based on the new chapter please
--173.76.10.84 06:00, February 25, 2016 (UTC)
She can't use magic anymore[]
So now that Ultear is an old grandma, isn't it true that she can no longer use Arc of Time? (Singsweet23 (talk) 20:20, March 19, 2016 (UTC)
- Old doesn't mean you can't use magic? That's how she detected anomalies in the first place, anyway...
WrathZero 20:21, March 19, 2016 (UTC)
She appears to have regained her youth during the battle with Time Spriggan. So shouldn't her profile pic return to timeskip version of her primarily.(MathiasDante02 (talk) 06:12, December 13, 2016 (UTC))MathiasDante02
You have clearly not understood what was going on during that battle. Plus, you should take a look at the last panel of the chapter where the battle finishes. Miskos3 Message 10:09, December 13, 2016 (UTC)