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I'm not sure if having this page would be such a great idea. I think that the information on it is correct but I'm note sure if it's a good idea to have it. What do guys think?04:57, November 27, 2011 (UTC)
Yep. It should stay, but it should be edited more to explain that it is only a theory and to remove a good amount of garbage that is in the article.
I agree with Jakuho. It seems like it's an important term in the Fairy Tail universe, though it needs to be explained more to be accurate. Speaking of important terms, I think the wikia is lacking a bit on that part, since not all of them have been explained or have their own pages. Like, we're really good when it comes to characters, episodes, manga chapters, locations and spells (and probably a few other things as well), but when it comes to important terms, trivia pages and miscellaneous stuff, it feels like not everything has been mentioned or given a proper credit.
Like what?12:40, November 27, 2011 (UTC)
Well the term is important and given that the term has yet to reach a "true meaning" I did not want to create a "stub article" for something that seems more important, so I tried to expand more. Regarding the fact that as of today The One Magic is mostly only a term or theory, I explained what things differed and whats were of common opinion therefore of a more objective value. If you guys says there is garbage, then lets try and see what can be removed and what not, to make it more tidy and/or accurate. My suggestion is that we shouldn't delete too much content, after all I've made sure to add everything that has been revealed so far. While I agree that Wikia pages should be as accurate as possible, many series have one or two terms that are ambiguous and are detailed at a slow rate. That adds to the latent problem of the Wikias that newcomers to the series try to investigate about such terms, only to find out there are no articles because of the lack of "accurate" material. So I think we have to evaluate carefully what should be considered garbage, and later have the Wikia Guilds take care of photos, references, etc. --BGMaxie 14:58, November 27, 2011 (UTC)
When I said garbage I was more or less referring to the fact that some of the article made it sound as if The One Magic was a proven fact. Sorry, I wasn't trying to offend your work. Now back to the task at hand, this page will be kept but some will definitely have to be cut off and altered. The article is written in a stand point that sounds like One Magic is something that's real but people misinterpret it's meaning. Which could very well be true, however that hasn't been confirmed and I don't want it to sound like it is. In addition this article has no references which is a problem. Articles like this, which detail things that aren't confirmed in the series should definitely be referenced. Noel, we don't chose to give less attention to the important term pages, it's just that we so much work to do on the site and not everyone wants to help out. The best thing that can be done is for you to jump in and help out.
Then someone should add it as a job to the Referencia Guild. 15:35, November 27, 2011 (UTC)
Yup I deliberately left the page without references, thinking that the page could be subject to a discussion given that it is a new article, and the fact that the guilds are in charge of those tasks. Now that you say that the article sounds as if people misinterpret it, yeah.....it can be seen in that way, and that's a problem, others like me may think that the page is structured to make think people have different opinions on a matter that has no true meaning, rather than making them all look wrong. And that's a problem that can lead to some confusion. Hmmmm.......any ideas of what you want to change and how Jakuho? I wanna see opinions first before we start editing. --BGMaxie 16:39, November 27, 2011 (UTC)
Firstly, we need to change the opening sentence. It states One Magic is the original source of all Magic and that should be edited to explain that One Magic is theoretical. Secondly, the description section says "While The One Magic is the "all-father" of Magic, in present day it is little more than a concept." That is saying that One Magic is indeed real and that many believe it to be a concept when it should be saying that One Magic is only a concept. The line "The One Magic is therefore very complex and difficult to understand for even the greatest Wizards" needs to be referenced or deleted. I see a lot of "in the series" those need to be removed as they violate the in-universe policy. And finally the article needs to be brought up to standard with references, style, and the like. I know we wanted to leave this for the Referencia Guild, but work has been slow over there this month and I don't want the page unreferenced for too long so until it is referenced we should leave some sort of notification at the top of the page informing that the info below is unreferenced and may or may not be correct.
- Referencia Guild Request Board
- The One Magic 999,999,999,999 *taken* New member that invited himself in for this job only
20:05, November 27, 2011 (UTC)
Lol, have at it. And you
will never in life will definitely get your jewels.
Alright. However, please decide what's going to stay and what's going to be deleted first so I don't reference something that's going to be deleted anyway.20:11, November 27, 2011 (UTC)
I think we're keeping mostly everything and just rewording it to make it known that One Magic is a concept.
k20:14, November 27, 2011 (UTC)
I think I cropped out everything that needed to be taken out.
I liked how it ended up, althought the part with Zeref, I'd say it got greatly reduced. Then again what I added in that section, did not really help too much, save for explaining a bit more why the relation with Zeref is uncertain. Still it is fine. --BGMaxie 23:26, November 27, 2011 (UTC)
Great. Then all is well, and we can close this lengthy discussion. If it needs to be reopened drop me a message.
I've been watching recent Funimation episodes of FT and after Azuma's defeat he used the term "Primordial Magic" when explaining the concept to Erza in the dub. Obviously that is their translation for what we call "The One Magic". Primordial by definition is "existing at or from the beginning of time". Should we include this with the alternate name or replace the main page name with it? Personally I think it sounds better. -- AsuraDrago 01:37, May 14, 2015 (UTC)
- Nope, funimation says screw it to proper translation and just likes to use whatever terms they like, regardless of what the japanese is.--
They are professionals in translation, and the term suits the idea of the origins of magic regardless. The One Magic is just a fan-translated name isn't it? Where exactly in any other official english translator does it refer to the term The One Magic? -- AsuraDrago 02:22, May 14, 2015 (UTC)
- The term "The One Magic" isn't a fan translation. Except for this one dub you mentioned every source, both official and fan-made, consistently uses the same term for it. And those other sources include the official manga translation among others.
- Funimation probably had to veer off from the most accurate translation of the term to fit the word to the lip-movements of the character in the scene... or they might have made a mistake. NoNickNeeded (talk) 09:06, May 14, 2015 (UTC)
That is also something to consider, you can't include everything word for word to lip-synch properly. When translating to make a script they very diligent and accurate. Kodansha Comics officially licenses the manga for the english release, do we know that they use for the term? Lip-synch isn't an issue with them. But where else offically is "The One Magic" used? -- AsuraDrago 18:26, May 14, 2015 (UTC)
- We have the kanji, The One Magic is correct--
Ok, so the Kanji literally translates to The One Magic? Anyway the Funimation term still works with in in that translation, can it at least be put with the other alternate names? -- AsuraDrago 18:45, May 16, 2015 (UTC)