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Current arc

General consensus appears to be that we call the current arc 'Oracion Seis arc'. Since we make up the arc names, and they aren't official, is everyone alright with calling it or should we keep calling it 'current arc/events' so people don't get confused and think it's in the past? Dalyup! 16:55, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

No no am in agreement. I've been calling it that myself. Until the plot says otherwise Oracion Seis arc will be the name of the current story arc. Retro7 17:20, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Intro and Macau arc

These two arcs stand alone, with only three chapters, seem a bit pointless. Wouldn't it be better to merge them into one arc, perhaps called 'Macau' arc? Any thoughts? Dalyup! 11:53, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Chapter Names

Should we be using Del Rey or Scanlation chapter names for this page. I think it would maybe be better to use the Del Rey names to keep things consitant through out the wiki, but since Del Rey isn't even half way through the series yet, it might be kind of strange.--Cifer64 19:13, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

It should be the same way as the chapters article which uses both. Drunk Samurai 19:34, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

Listing Chapters

I think the the list of chapters for each arc is not needed here. If someone wants to see the name of each specific chapter then that is what the Volumes and Chapters page is for. I think the list should be removed. Admins? Bickslow DollRelikz Talk 04:26, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

True, it's not needed, though it does add content to an otherwise extremely short page, so my vote is to leave it for now.  Iam...JakuhoRaikoben  04:45,6/13/2011 

Alright. Bickslow DollRelikz Talk 10:57, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

Arc Names

I was looking at the arc names, and I don't particularly like some of them, because they're inconsistent. For example, why is Galuna Island arc named after a location, instead of being called Deliora arc? After all, if Lullaby arc was called after one of Zeref's demons, Lullaby, why's the next arc not called in the same manner?

Also.. about Oracion Seis arc.. It makes no sense to call it after the guild that they're fighting. That way, Lullaby arc could be called Eisenwald arc and Trial arc could be called Grimoire Heart arc, but they're not, and with a reason, too. So I propose renaming Oracion Seis arc to Nirvana arc instead, as it was revolving around Nirvana at all times anyway. NoelAramis 17:59, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

Who said that their had to be a pattern or consistency on the arc names? Bickslow DollRelikz Talk 19:10, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

It surely makes it nicer if there is some consistency or pattern. Besides, I've heard those arcs being referred to with abovementioned names I listed, before..

Either way, would it be possible for these proposals to get acknowledged and possibly voted on? 109.182.55.7 23:34, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately, no. There's no reason to rename the arcs and frankly not many people have expressed any problems with them. Saying that their should be consistency in the naming is untrue. No one really keeps any consistency with arc names, we just make them up as we go. In addition that would create a lot of work and confusion for no reason other than personal preference. I'm really sorry, but the arc names stay.  Iam...JakuhōRaikōben  23:40,9/12/2011 

Deletion

Now that I think about it. What exactly is the point of this page. People can just go to the story arc category if they want to see all the story arcs, and this page is really nothing more than a pointless restatement of Info already on the site. I propose it's deletion. If anyone has any reasons as to why it shouldn't be delted, then please speak up.  Iam...JakuhōRaikōben  02:02,9/14/2011 

Oppose Oppose -eh, I get that it's not the most useful of pages, but I feel like there needs to be a base page or something for all the story arcs instead of a category page. Its not a page that does any harm to the wiki either, it gets updated as well. Plus its nice to know how many chapters an arc was :). It won't be the end of the world for me if it gets deleted, but I'm for it staying. talk  Garyness  21:52, September 14, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose Oppose - I didn't even now there was a story arc category. I also found this page really useful when I was creating the arc naviboxes. This page is really helpful too as, as Garyness said, a base page for all the other arcs. It could use a makeover though. Bickslow DollRelikz Talk 22:05, September 14, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it does indeed need a makeover. I'm going to throw the UC template on the page until someone has some good ideas about how to improve it.  Iam...JakuhōRaikōben  22:41,9/14/2011 

Hmm.. for starters, how about we put a scrolling box on the chapter lists that are longer than 8. Bickslow DollRelikz Talk 22:52, September 14, 2011 (UTC)

That's fine.  Iam...JakuhōRaikōben  22:57,9/14/2011 

How about implementing this since, even though it doesn't add much, it at least puffs it up and makes it look more professional. If it's accepted, I'll make it a template.

Also, if you have any ideas on what can be added to it, feel free to speak up.Bickslow DollRelikz Talk 21:16, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

That looks good. And no, at the moment nothing needs to be added that I can think of.  Iam...JakuhōRaikōben  21:23,9/15/2011 

Alright, I'll turn it into a template. Bickslow DollRelikz Talk 21:27, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

Don't forget about the Daphne arc.  Iam...JakuhōRaikōben  03:22,9/16/2011 

Yes, I was going to do it, but I have to go to sleep right now as I have school tomorrow and I've been late to school 2 times alreeady; 1 more and i get ISS. Bickslow DollRelikz Talk 03:25, September 16, 2011 (UTC)

Lol, don't worry. I'll handle it.  Iam...JakuhōRaikōben  03:26,9/16/2011 

Grand Magic Games Arc

Seeing as were finally getting properly started on this arc. I'm gonna go ahead and make a new page for it. Any objections? Retro7 02:45, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, the X791 arc and the Grand Magic Games Arc aren't separate, they are the same arc so we wouldn't create a new page for it, we'd just rename the X791 arc. Though my vote is not to rename it quite yet, we do know that the Grand Magic Games are about to start and that they will play a part in this arc, but it isn't guaranteed that it will be solely concerned with the Grand Magic Games, and I don't want to have to rename the page again if we figure out that "Grand Magic Games Arc" isn't quite accurate enough.  Iam...JakuhōRaikōben  02:53,1/7/2012 

X791 Arc & Grand Magic Games Arc

I think X791 Arc in the manga should be only 254-257,and the ones after should be Grand Magic Games Arc.Just suggesting it should be seperated because the Key of the Starry Sky Arc takes place between those 2 events and it wouldn't make sense for a filler arc to be inside another arc. —This unsigned comment was made by 112.202.183.30 (talkcontribs) .

Support Support - I think it's the only way. Fairy Tail symbol BOGOTA X - Talk~ 07:35, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

Spliting into sagas?

With people argueing about spliting the X791 into the different arc, I thought the might split all the arcs into 2 different sagas. The pre-time skip will become the whatever year it was and the post-time skip can be the other x791 saga. Then you can spilt the x-791 arc into post-time skip arc and the grand game arc. (also the key to the starry sky.--Komic 14:15, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

X791 arc, Starry Sky Arc and Grand Games Arc?

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I think we have a little problem here. As you can see new arc has arrived, strictly inside the x791 arc. My proposition is to create 3 (yes three!) different arc:

  • Key of the Starry Sky arc - from 128 (Father's Memento) to the end of it (i suggest the episode before the Wendy meets Porlyusica)
  • Grand Magic Games arc - from the episode with Wendy and Porlyusica to the end of the arc. Ishthak Heart kreuz says   10:01, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Support Support - What do you think? In my opinion it is the best solution... Ishthak Heart kreuz says   10:01, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose Oppose - I have to admit - you arguments convinced me. Maybe should treat it same like Daphne Arc (possibility of hiding and show it if someone really want). That wouldn't put a mess on for example characters page. Ishthak Heart kreuz says   18:07, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Support Support - There's not other option imo, so this is the best thing to do, lol. What about manga though? Would we divide it into X791 and GMG arcs too? Miskos3 Message 10:06, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Probably it would be necessary... Ishthak Heart kreuz says   10:13, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose Oppose - I think the way we have it now is ok RelikzBickslow Doll3Talk 16:52, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose Oppose - I'm with Reli on this one, it would over complicate things. And considering that this stupid Key of the Starry arc bull crap already over complicated things, I don't want to complicate them any more than they already are. I just think we need to put the Key of the Starry arc on the characters pages and put a note at the top saying "Note: This arc is anime only and therefore the information presented here is not considered canon, in addition, this arc takes place in the midst of the X791 arc". The reason I don't just want to split up the arcs is because we are renaming the X791 arc as soon as we know what the arc is truly about. Jakuho Fairy Tail Edolas Symbol Talk ph 17:03,4/28/2012

Neutral Neutral - Yes. I know I didn't help xD Tutles Sig 22:04, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose Oppose - I agree with Rai, I think we should include it in the character pages with the note "This arc is anime only and therefore the information presented here is not considered canon..." Gildarts CliveNatsu and Happy 17:41, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose Oppose - I think it's unnecessary to split the X791 Arc into two to make room for KOTSS Arc. For the 'Episode' page, I think we could just have the table for the X791 Arc below the KOTSSA, but write a note before it that the next 2 episodes that are involved in the X791 Arc are listed below , or something like that. Besides, we have enough of two-episode-only arcs. Sorry. Jimx03 17:38, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose Oppose - The initial events of the X791 arc (the coming back; Jude's death) were like the initial events of Macao arc (Bora, Lucy joins the Guild) so they don't need to be separated. Jura From Video Game Herme 阿部18:18,5/2/2012

Suggestion for the arcs during year X791

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First of all, I oppose the current situation right now about the arcs in X791.I think it's wrong to put all the events after Tenrou Island arc as "one big arc" then just saying the Key of the Starry sky arc is an "arc inside an arc".All those stuff are CLEARLY different events and they shouldn't be together just because they all happened after the time skip.I think it should be clear to everyone that we can't have the arcs stay like this forever.

Like the message(s) that have been said, we should split all the stuff after Tenrou Island Arc into 3 arcs.

X791 Arc/Intro Arc Manga Chapters 254-257 Episodes 123-124

It's still called X791 Arc since those are the episodes that introduce X791.The arc having only two episodes isn't wrong or anything,since the Macao arc in Fairy Tail has two episodes like this and they're both "intro arcs".

Key of the Starry Sky Arc Episodes 125+

Filler arc,no need to explain this xD.

Grand Magic Games Arc Manga Chapters 258+

No episodes yet,but will start with the episode introducing Sabertooth.


Ok I typed alot >.< .But I hope this will be taken into consideration,since the way it is now is complicated, and needs to be changed ASAP although its still this way and debating takes LONG >.<.


(PLEASE DONT DELETE THIS)


First - you should at least sign. Second - we just discuss same thing above. Ishthak Heart kreuz says   18:02, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Support Support - As long as the X791 arc stays ONLY through Episodes 124, I'm fine with this. Jakuho Fairy Tail Edolas Symbol Talk ph 19:45,5/2/2012

Neutral Neutral - Hmmm... that sounds like a good idea, however, I'm not sure it'd be the BEST idea. Also, I'd prefer calling your third proposed arc the "Lucy Crushes Mercurius with her Breasts arc" RelikzBickslow Doll3Talk 19:58, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Lol, why didn't I think of that excellent arc name? Jakuho Fairy Tail Edolas Symbol Talk ph 20:01,5/2/2012
Because you are an asshole RelikzBickslow Doll3Talk 20:08, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
.....!!!!!.....!!!.....chicken. Jakuho Fairy Tail Edolas Symbol Talk ph 20:19,5/2/2012
...!!...!!!!...Meanie RelikzBickslow Doll3Talk 20:22, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Neutral Neutral - I'm not sure that creating an arc for a 2 Ep/3 Ch is necessary but if you name the 3rd one: "Lucy Crushes Mercurius with her Breasts arc" i could agree still a solution is needed, and that one isn't worst then any other Ishthak Heart kreuz says   20:22, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Lucy Crushes Mercurius with her Breasts arc! RelikzBickslow Doll3Talk 20:23, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Lol, how are you neutral on your own prop? I don't know if this is the best way, but this is the only feasible way I see at the moment. As you said, Macao arc, is only one episode. This one is double that so it seems fine to me and it was a few manga chapters opposed to the 1 chapter that the Macao arc consists of. Jakuho Fairy Tail Edolas Symbol Talk ph 20:25,5/2/2012

But this isn't mine - mine is above. Someone didn't sign Ishthak Heart kreuz says   20:26, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

LOL! I should have read the passage the entire way through. I thought it was the same prop you made with just the episodes on the first one altered. Jakuho Fairy Tail Edolas Symbol Talk ph 20:28,5/2/2012

Macao arc is 2 episodes RelikzBickslow Doll3Talk 20:30, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

STFU whore! Same difference. Jakuho Fairy Tail Edolas Symbol Talk ph 20:31,5/2/2012

It's similar. But as you could see, above once again, I transform to oppose - we could put that shitty Key arc in hidden version, like it is made for Daphne arc. Ishthak Heart kreuz says   20:32, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Aha RelikzBickslow Doll3Talk 20:34, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

I like the suggestions, but was up with that "Intro arc"....This like the ? # arc.Chibi StingMega Chibi Cobra 20:35, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Sigh I give up!! I hate this stupid arc!! I'm closing down all these votings and opening up a new one in a forum listing all the possible options. Sound good to everyone? Jakuho Fairy Tail Edolas Symbol Talk ph 20:36,5/2/2012

Ok Ishthak Heart kreuz says   20:37, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

yup RelikzBickslow Doll3Talk 20:39, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Aye.Chibi StingMega Chibi Cobra 20:41, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

New Arc Name

NEW ARC: Dragon King's Feast

Since the events of the Grand Magic Games are now officially over, I think it's necessary to classify the current events as a new arc. I propose that every event from chapter 322 "Gloria" be classified as it's own storyline arc. My personally suggestion for the name is to simply call it the 'Dragon King's Feast" Arc, but this is not the main point. —This unsigned comment was made by Ergo Nil‎ (talkcontribs) .

This has been discussed numerous times before but upon majority vote, we are to continue on with this arc under the GMG name. Keep in mind, the GMG itself =/= the GMG arc, rather, it is just a name for the arc.
P.S please sign off your comments! thank you!
:Umnei:Juvia&#039;sPictureForUmneiSignature 20:44, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

Start of a New Arc

Now that The Grand Magic Games and the Eclipse incident is over, can we make a new Arc starting from one of the 6 latest chapters? or just from Chapter 341 at least, since it's obvious that a new adventure is coming and it's not related to either GMG and Eclipse.. how about..

"Village of the Sun Arc"

Iron.Shadow.Dragon (talk) 15:12, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Support Support - I think that's a good name, at least for now. If it turns out that the village is just the starting point, it can always be renamed later. NoNickNeeded (talk) 15:18, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Arc Names

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Fighting Festival arc will be renamed Battle of Fairy Tail arc; Phantom Lord arc will remain unchanged.
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So here Misk and I were, ignoring what we're supposed to be doing and talking in chat, and we came around to the topic of the arcs in FT, specifically Sun Village and whether or not it's part of Tartarus. That has nothing to do with this, though. :D What eventually happened was we came around to talking about the tweet Hiro posted about the main focuses of each arc. Here is the tweet, translated by Chaos. If you go down, it says he forgot about the Battle of Fairy Tail with Laxus. In our opinion, this makes most of the arc names for what we have official, however there are some discrepancies.

  • Phantom Lord arc ---> Phantom arc
  • Fighting Festival arc ---> Battle of Fairy Tail arc

Now, this also means that the unofficial category should be removed from a lot of these, but the real question is should we use those two names in place of the ones we already have because they're official? They came out of Hiro's mouth, so I think so without a doubt. But what do you guys think~?
WrathRogue ChibiZero 13:51, January 9, 2015 (UTC)

Hmmm I'm not so sure about the Phantom Lord arc to just Phantom arc cuz it seems like Mashima just forgot to put Lord or he was just typing fast and shortened it... but Battle of Fairy Tail arc sounds waaaaay better. YES PLEASE Bickslow Doll Bickslow Doll3Bickslow Doll 2 15:27, January 9, 2015 (UTC)

I feel like he didn't forget the Lord bit because he tweeted that he forgot to include BoFT, so I feel that he would've said that he meant Lord instead. Also, he made everyone call them Phantom throughout the whole arc, so he's probably just reflecting the shorthand he wrote in the series.
WrathRogue ChibiZero 16:21, January 9, 2015 (UTC)
I disagree. Why would he have reason to correct himself and add Lord though? It's not like the point of the tweet was giving official arc names. It was to tell the focus character of each arc. Iam...    JakuhōRaikōben17:30,1/9/2015

I'm fine with changing Fighting Festival to Battle of Fairy Tail (even though Fighting Festival sounds much better unless you're a misguided Mexican), but I'm not so sure about changing Phantom Lord to Phantom. He gave these names out on Twitter and the entire purpose of twitter is to be succinct. Why would he take up extra characters writing Lord's katakana when people would know exactly what he was talking about by using Phantom? Furthermore, as I mentioned above, the point of this tweet was to inform us about the focus character of each arc, not to give us official arc names, so he'd have no obligation to write out the full arc name. The name of the guild is Phantom Lord, shorting the arc name to Phantom would be fine if we were 100% sure that it was the official name that Mashima wanted, but I'm not comfortable doing so with what we're given. Tl;dr: change Fighting Festival to BoFT. Leave Phantom Lord alone. Iam...    JakuhōRaikōben17:30,1/9/2015

My whole thing is that to tell us the focus of each arc he had to write out the name of each arc, which makes the names of most of what we have official. Personally if Mashima called it Phantom arc, regardless of what we think it should be, we should be using what he referred to it as. I only brought it up this way because it's a pretty big change across the wiki.=/
WrathRogue ChibiZero 17:36, January 9, 2015 (UTC)
Context is everything. And as I just mentioned, the context of this tweet and the fact that it was a tweet at all don't necessarily support him giving the arc name in an official capacity. As such, I don't believe that Phantom Lord arc should change. Iam...    JakuhōRaikōben17:41,1/9/2015

Both of these arc bring back such good Wiki memories, shame to change them so suddenly. T^T I don't mind "Battle of Fairy Tail" tbh. Since 95% of the arc was the Battle of Fairy Tail and 5% was the "Festival." If there is a need for a tie breaker, I would vote for Fighting Festival. As for Phantom Lord, lol nuh. I think it should stay as it is. It's a perfect name and we should not take a tweet all that seriously. It's better when the name is official in a volume (Q&A) or something.
MegaPanchamTalk 17:47, January 9, 2015 (UTC)

Support Support - Both. Who are we to judge what Mashima meant? If he says these are the names, then they are until proven otherwise-- God · Pray · 18:10,1/9/2015  18:10, January 9, 2015 (UTC)

Support Support - the Laxus thingy, Neutral Neutral - the Lucy thingy, though leaning towards Rai's side if tie-breaker needed. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 19:04, January 9, 2015 (UTC)

Hmmmmmm I actually think Rai has a point about Twitter's character limit and such, on the other hand, characters (FT members) always said 'Phantom' when referring to the guild (if I recall, in the anime at least), so it's actually a plausible title for the arc. Although in the end, the difference isn't all that great, so whatever happens with it, I'll be fine. However, I fully Support Support - Battle of Fairy Tail arc. It's much better imo and I'm not even a Mexican. ;o Miskos3 Message 19:36, January 9, 2015 (UTC)

I would like to point out that the narrator refers to the guild as Phantom Lord --Agent Odd (Talk) January 10, 2015 @ 02:31 (UTC)

It's not about the narrator, it's about Hiro Mashima.
WrathRogue ChibiZero 03:23, January 10, 2015 (UTC)

Support Support - Battle of Fairy Tail arc.
Oppose as of now until I do my research - Phantom arc.
:Umnei:Juvia&#039;sPictureForUmneiSignature 08:35, January 11, 2015 (UTC)

Support Support - Battle of Fairy Tail arc. Makes more sense. Neutral Neutral - Phantom arc. It makes no big difference to me and I don't think the change will be dramatic for anyone.DispellingJellal chibiMage 15:31, January 11, 2015 (UTC)

Oppose Oppose -Phantom arc Support Support - Battle of Fairy Tail arc, not much of a difference for the first one but it just doesn't sound right to me, I'm okay with the boft arc change. CS Nikora2 spiritAnimaltamer7CS Nikora1 spiritNikora Key10:38, January 12, 2015 (UTC)

Episode 232/233 Incorrect Link

The link to Episode 232 appears to be misdirected to the page for Episode 233, please fix! 66.27.72.158 01:25, May 12, 2015 (UTC)

Done Done Thank you! :D
WrathRogue ChibiZero 01:27, May 12, 2015 (UTC)

Tenrou Jade arc

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yoooo so with GREAT news after the chapter dropped today Hiro and the anime team announced FT Zero is being animated in January after Tartaros. Just being formal with the discussion since there's a long ass thread on Jak's blog but is there any like disagreements with any of the following?

  • Name of the arc: Tenrou Jade arc
  • Order: Chronological (before Macao arc)
  • Writing: Like any other arc. The chapters and episode navigation at the bottom and from a neutral perspective

Basically that's it from what Duel, Misky and myself covered... any objections cause if not I would like to create it now so we already have the info and like the regular just use the manga pics and fill it in with the anime pics when it comes on in January.. Plus I'd love to help out with it and be useful and not be a couch potato lol NcduruRavens wallpaper (2)

I was initially going to post this in the forums later, but seeing as though Ncduru started the discussion, I thought I might as well post this now.

Ok, so with Fairy Tail Zero getting an anime adaptation, I think it's time we give the Tenrou Jade arc (and to a lesser extent, Ice Trail) it's own arc page for the following reasons:

  • Condensed summary from neutral perspective
    • People clicking on the chapter/episode pages, page by page for long detailed summaries isn't ideal for people who want a condensed summary
    • Visiting the character's page, such as Mavis for example could spoil people who haven't seen the recent flashback in the main series (as information from the main series and spin-off is intermixed with each other). Also Mavis isn't in a couple of scenes in FTZ (likewise with Gray in IT)
    • Going off the above point, the summaries on character pages are from that character's perspective. An arc summary needs to be written from a neutral perspective.
  • A place needed to put the arc template, arc navigation template (which list episodes and chapters) as well templates for the arc's fights and events.
    • For the sake of consistency the FTZ episodes will need an arc navigation template, and I don't like the idea of just having the template and no proper story arc page.
  • A place to put anime information, such as corresponding episodes, anime & manga differences, possible trivia that may only be related to the anime and any other anime information. In my opinion, anime information does not belong on the spin-off series' manga page. The spin-off's manga page should only be used for basic information such as name, chapter & volume release dates, author, cover galleries and any notes or trivia regarding the manga (and not it's content).
  • They are canon. Just because they were published as spin-offs doesn't mean we should treat the information any differently. As long as the information is canon, we should treat it all the same.
  • People who only see FTZ in the anime (and possibly may not know the information was adapted from a spin-off) will wonder why it doesn't have an arc page, as even fillers have their own arc pages.

Minus the last couple of reasons, these are pretty much the same/similar reasons why we have arc pages for all other story arcs.

Now, as for the amount of work that will go into this, all we need is to do is have someone who is trusted condense the summaries from the chapter pages (I'm sure it will still meet the wiki's standards) and create the necessary templates (which should be simple). Only thing that really needs to be done that requires a decent amount of effort is to work on the arcs events and fights pages, but those would've got done eventually anyway.

So yeah, those are my reasons. We don't have to work on this immediately, just as long as it gets done (with the exception of the events and fights, preferably before the arc airs in January). Discuss below--DuelMaster93 (talk) 11:24, November 17, 2015 (UTC)

agree with mostly everything but for now I think we should focus on FTZero since it's get adapted to the anime and hold off on Ice Trail... it is canon but it was more of a spinoff than Zero since it was written by Hiro's staff members while FTZero was obviously written by Hiro. Besides that yup should be simple to make the arc page NcduruRavens wallpaper (2)

Ice Trail was decided to be canon, the main reason we actually bothered making pages for it. If it was non-canon, most of us wouldn't really care (well, I wouldn't anyway >.>) and it'd be in the same state as the other spin-offs, and would then just be condensed into one page. It has chapter pages, char pages, Magic pages, Spell pages, fight pages, event pages, location pages, etc. If FT0 gets an arc page, IT gets an arc page. It's simple consistency. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 12:16, November 17, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what I said in Jak's chapter review. Ice Trail can wait. At the moment the general consensus is that Ice Trail is canon, but we may need to revisit that discussion in the future. If it's canon it should get a page, regardless of whether or not it gets adapted, as it is still a story arc. But for now let's just focus on FT Zero.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 12:12, November 17, 2015 (UTC)

Oppose Vehemently Oppose -:

  • It's History. History doesn't get arc pages, no matter how fleshed out. Let's not complicate things.
  • List of Events: History -> Tenrou Jade arc -> History -> Ice Trail arc -> History. Seems ridicuous, imo.
  • List of Fights: Tenrou Jade arc -> History -> Ice Trail arc -> History. Again, seems ridiculous.
  • Very few events in either Tenrou Jade arc and Ice Trail arc will not be included in Mavis' and Gray's synopses. The arc pages would turn out to be somewhat redundant. This statement is only meant to counter the, "We should collect info in one page," argument. If we get an arc in the current storyline detailing Lucy's training in 1yr timeskip, by all means have an arc page.

Plus... more work. e_e Although Ncd says that he'll handle Tenrou Jade arc age, so shouldn't be that difficult. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 12:16, November 17, 2015 (UTC)

yup agree with sane on that part duel didn't realize when I read through it again, shouldn't need to put it in history just make it like a regular arc in chronological order. That should fine since right? And sane me and duel not saying Ice Trail won't get an arc page just saying it should be revisited in the future while we work on FTZero's arc page. And lastly only events that happened in FTZero was Yuriy's group traveling to Tenrou Island for the Jade and the mini war in Magnolia from Blue Skull right? NcduruRavens wallpaper (2)
Iunno about the fights and events in FT0, tbh. The Fight Summary Guild normally would look at that and decide, ._./ --Sane Lunatic (talk) 21:11, November 17, 2015 (UTC)
  • In normal circumstances, when the history is someone's flashback in the main manga (or even anime) series it should not have it's own arc page. However this is different, this isn't someone's flashback, so therefore we don't have an arc page to put a condensed summary from a nuetral point of view. So therefore we need an arc page to be created.
  • We can put the events in both the history and and let's say 'tenrou jade arc events' templates.
  • Your point about it being redundant could also apply to all other story arcs, as we already have chapter and episode pages with summaries. The reasons for and against aren't really all that different from the other story arcs.
Are you suggesting that someone who wants to read a brief summary of the Tenrou Jade arc go through every chapter page to read it? And reading the character pages isn't the solution cause information from the main series is intermixed into the same section, therefore potentially spoiling those who have only seen the Tenrou Jade arc in the anime and had not reached the recent flashback in the manga. Also, the summary is from Mavis' perspective.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 12:38, November 17, 2015 (UTC)
  • Flashbacks don't have their own arcs because they are included in whichever arc they occur in. Not because they are flashbacks. Zero is History. Just put its story in the plot section of the main Zero page.
  • Makes things messy. Just don't treat it like an arc. You want a page which gives the entire story? Refer to above point. That way, we don't have to deal with separate templates for events and fights.
  • I mentioned that the statement only applies to the, "One page for all," argument. There's a major difference between Tenrou Jade arc and the other arc. The former is History. The latter are Synopsis.
Just have the plot on the main Zero page under plot. Need fulfilled. And spoilers are not considered a criteria when we make pages. For example, quite a few times, a simple Google Search of Fairy Tail brings up Zeref Dragneel as a subsection under the main FTW page. That's a huge spoiler, doesn't mean we're gonna rename the page to Zeref. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 21:11, November 17, 2015 (UTC)

The difference between this and all other history is that this is the only fleshed out history. It's literally an entire manga; it should have an arc page. However, Ice Trail I am having doubts about being canon, despite my arguments for it before. We shouldn't oppose based on the notion of "more work"; we can't take the lazy way out of everything, and I think since it's a fucking series with its own in-depth structure written and drawn by Mashima, not giving it an arc page is ridiculous.
WrathRogue ChibiZero 20:33, November 17, 2015 (UTC)

It's History though. Why have an arc page? It just complicates things. We divide Synopsis into arcs, but this is not the case with History. We just give sub-sections in the History section for organization purposes, nothing else.
As you said, it's almost its own manga. So just do whatever is supposed to be done in the arc page in the Plot section of the main Zero page. Also helps expand a small page. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 21:11, November 17, 2015 (UTC)

I still see no definite proof that Ice Trail is in any way canon; all the other spin offs say "Original Story: Hiro Mashima" as well, which is literally saying that they are using his characters, regardless of how much he's agrees with its content. That aside, I fully Support Support - Tenrou Jade arc page. Miskos3 Message 20:58, November 17, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah I've had doubts about Ice Trail too (leaning more towards non-canon to be honest). I think we definitely need to revisit the discussion at some point, cause as far as I know we have no legitimate source for any claims about Mashima's involvement. But back on the topic about Tenrou Jade arc, I feel if it doesn't get an arc page we will have inconsistency problems. To be honest I'm surprised it was never given an arc page from the get go (or at least already have plans for one by now).--DuelMaster93 (talk) 21:02, November 17, 2015 (UTC)
yup with what y'all saying, we'll cross that bridge on Ice Trail when we get there....Support Support - giving FTZero an arc page though NcduruRavens wallpaper (2)

Ice Trail is overseen by Mashima. It's not just a simple side-story, it actually answers questions about how Gray decided to join Fairy Tail and how he came in contact with the Guild. Gray's scene regarding asking Makarov about Iced Shell is present. It never strays from canon. Most importantly, it is published in Monthly Fairy Tail Magazine, the magazine which is all about Fairy Tail. Ice Trail is canon, at least tonnes more canon than the likes of ECS arc and the omakes like 413 Days. :/ --Sane Lunatic (talk) 21:11, November 17, 2015 (UTC)

"Оversees" means nothing. We don't know to what extent, as well. I'm sure he discusses things with the authors of other spin-offs too, but that doesn't make them canon in any way. Monthly Fairy Tail Magazine has a plenty of other writers, not just Mashima. That's why we have such bullshit as Light Dragon Slayer Magic. Unless he himself states - yes, I consider this the part of the main story, I ain't going for this as a canon story. Definitely not on the level of FT ZERO. Miskos3 Message 21:19, November 17, 2015 (UTC)

'Oversees' as in actually goes over his executive assistant's work to check that there are no errors and whatnot. Y'know, to make sure that it conforms to canon. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 21:35, November 17, 2015 (UTC)
That's just your assumption Miskos3 Message 21:37, November 17, 2015 (UTC)
Primary source: Chaos via Wrath on Gray's talk page.
Secondary source: Mangastream. Though I don't expect it to mean much.
I think there is a tweet somewhere, but might just have been a mistranslation on my (by which I mean Google Translate) part. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 21:56, November 17, 2015 (UTC)
Sane, all I will say is this: Mashima has been involved in and overseen lot of stuff outside the main manga, like the KOTSS arc, ECS arc, movies, light novels (which the author of the first 2 state they worked closely on) etc.
Even if (and that's if) the claims of him writing the manuscript and storyboarding the series are true, (just like the KOTSS arc) we don't know what bits are from Mashima and what isn't. And Ice Trail does have some inconsistencies. Also, I don't see how it being published in MFT magazine changes anything. Mashima doesn't even work on the magazine except FTZ and occasional interviews once every few issues.
I'm not saying it's not canon (cause to some degree it is), but with the information we have now and uncertainty about Mashima's involvement we can't fully accept it and treat it as canon on this wiki.
Now let this be the last comment about Ice Trail in this section, and if anyone wishes to continue this discussion I suggest moving it to the forums, as we are straying off-topic.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 21:40, November 17, 2015 (UTC)
And KotSS and ECS arcs have arc pages... Light novels and movies cannot be given a time frame. And Great Edo novel is obviously not canon.
Mashima didn't write the manuscript of the KotSS arc, he just approved it. He made the character designs. Also, please mention the inconsistencies in Ice Trail. Major ones only, please, as the main manga itself has inconsistencies. And MFT is the magazine about Fairy Tail. It's why we have been renaming Magic names.
Ice Trail stuff is being discussed here because, if it is canon, it gets an arc page if Tenrou Jade arc gets one. If it is not canon, all the articles pertaining to Ice Trail are deleted and it is treated as just another spin-off, with extremely condensed summaries being given on the main page. So it's kinda important. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 21:56, November 17, 2015 (UTC)
I feel in order to move on with the Tenrou Jade arc discussion, discussion about here needs to stop. But since you're insistent on continuing it here and I can't be bothered moving it somewhere else I may as well continue here for now.
Anyway, KOTSS arc and ECS arc were in the anime though, so we pretty much had to give them arc pages for consistency and navigation purposes. If Ice Trail gets adapted it should get an arc page, but since we have yet to prove it's canon, it won't be getting a page until if and when that happens.
Again, all that stuff about Mashima overseeing, storyboarding, writing manuscripts, character designing etc. has yet to be confirmed and all speculation at the moment. Even with proof, we can't speculate on how he was involved and what was actually from him or from Yusuke Shirato.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 22:11, November 17, 2015 (UTC)

Meh; can honestly not be bothered to write everything that's on my mind regarding this topic, at least not for now. Thus, I'll just quickly rattle off my basic opinions: I defo Support Support - giving Zero its own arc page. I also agree with Sane's points in support of Ice-Trail being canon, although that's indeed another case, which shouldn't be discussed here. Onfire.gif Wonder Talk 21:49,11/17/2015

Support Support - Regardless of history status, it is an arc in the series. It is an extension of FT, and we don't need to dump a whole lotta shit on the FT0 page. If we have it written as an arc on the character pages, it gets an arc here, too. My doubts from Ice Trail stem from the cover, where it's written as Mashima being credited as original story creator (as in regular FT) and then Yusuke being written as the creator of the actual manga. I would look more into this, as all the spin-offs are written this way, sans FT0 since that's Mashima's own creation. And if we still decide Ice Crap is canon, then we give that equal treatment too. To someone skilled, it would take just a few hours.
WrathRogue ChibiZero 00:06, November 18, 2015 (UTC)

I say we create the Tenrou Jade arc as that is the only thing we are 100% certain it is canon as it is written and drawn by Mashima himself and it directly affects the story while Ice Trail doesn't. It should also go after the Tartarus arc as arcs are written in the order the story takes place, not as they take place chronologically. and since the manga didn't give it a place in order we should go by how the anime will place it. just my two cents. Bickslow Doll Bickslow Doll3Bickslow Doll 2 02:22, November 18, 2015 (UTC)

off your opinion Reli I think we should do a vote for the order if chronologically or after Tartaros... I think it's gonna be unanimous that everybody's cool with tbe Tenrou Jade arc being created and Ice Trail being waited on but on this topic I'm pretty much neutral on so I'll just bandwagon whatever gets the most votes tbh NcduruRavens wallpaper (2)

I say it should be made an arc page. If we call it "Tenrou Jade arc" in the history section, isn't it contradictory that it not get an arc page? I swear you guys overcomplicate things sometimes. :P Iam...    JakuhōRaikōben04:19,11/20/2015

Well, to be fair, most of us thinks the same as you. :P Onfire.gif Wonder Talk 22:09,11/20/2015
^exactly lol but if there isn't any objections we should just close this discussion and start a vote on the order it comes in, like I said idgaf either way NcduruRavens wallpaper (2) 02:58, November 21, 2015 (UTC)

Imo no discussion needed. FT0 is an entirely separate manga, and it predates the Macao arc. It clearly goes before it as they are written chronologically. Throwing it in after Tartaros makes no sense whatsoever, because Hiro didn't write it into his main FT, he created an entirely different series detailing the past. We should make thing go in the same order that we have them written on our character pages; aka history always goes first.
WrathRogue ChibiZero 03:01, November 21, 2015 (UTC)

bet cool with me... so discussion is basically closed yo NcduruRavens wallpaper (2) 03:05, November 21, 2015 (UTC)

add Zero Arc after Tartaros arc in http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Story_Arcs

Drramimagdi (talk) 11:39, January 22, 2016 (UTC)

Tenrou Jade arc is chronologically the first arc in the series, therefore it stays before the Macao arc. It got its own manga. It just got thrown into the anime post-Tartaros arc for lulz.
WrathRogue ChibiZero 12:12, January 22, 2016 (UTC)

Alvarez or Alvarez Empire arc?

Hello! I stop by on the wiki often and I've been wondering why does the wiki go by "Alvarez Empire arc" instead of the canon name "Alvarez arc"? Did I miss anything? Thank you so much!--166.137.244.98 19:50, January 20, 2017 (UTC)

Despite it appearing in the afterwords written by Hiro Mashima, it was voted to not be the official name. For some reason.
WrathRogue ChibiZero 19:58, January 20, 2017 (UTC)

I honestly have no idea why it hasn't been changed... it's in afterwords in the volumes, Hiro even said it in a tweet which is the same jurisdiction we went with for the Avatar (twitter) and GMG (afterword) arc. If that's not enough confirmation I don't know what is Ncduru 20:04, January 20, 2017 (UTC)

Hey guys just my thoughts: I acquired the english copy of Volume 52. In the afterword (here http://imgur.com/a/D8pO6) Mashima stated: "Now we've broken into the Alberth arc!" Alberth was later changed by the same translator to Alvarez. I believe what the wiki goes by is wrong and should be changed.--SageSlayer (talk) 16:48, January 22, 2017 (UTC)

We know. There was a vote to change the name on the arc page, using that same afterword. It didn't pass, even though I completely believe that we are wrong and it's the official name because it came from the author.
WrathRogue ChibiZero 16:43, January 22, 2017 (UTC)

oh ok sorry I didn't know I just joined today XD. Guess I am too late to the party. SageSlayer (talk) 16:48, January 22, 2017 (UTC)

It's fine, but for some reason, Alvarez arc is considered shorthand, despite it coming from the author, and us using afterwords for a very large amount of information present on this wiki in the form of trivia.
WrathRogue ChibiZero 16:51, January 22, 2017 (UTC)

lol I wish we can have a revote or something. The wiki is not right at all. Ncduru 16:58, January 22, 2017 (UTC)

arc name change

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Hiro on twitter

Hiro in the volume

We confirmed Avatar because of Hiro saying "Avatar arc" on Twitter and it's no different here. We should change so we can be correct before the anime Ncduru 10:35, November 28, 2017 (UTC)


Support
  1. Ncduru 10:35, November 28, 2017 (UTC)
  2. If its from the official english translation then I agree, and doing it now would be a good thing coz the wiki have less traffic so we can focus on renaming a lot of pages.

LightningGeistLaxus Chibi 10:39, November 28, 2017 (UTC)

Oppose


Comments

I should instantly close this voting. If people were to reopen every discussion where they disagreed with the outcome, there would be no end to it. People already voted back then, having the same material/proof to base their decision on as you're providing right now, so there isn't even anything new. Alvarez Empire was kept. Just leave it be. It's not incorrect.  Miskos3  Message  11:08, November 28, 2017 (UTC)

Let me get this straight: if we didn't have fuckton of other work, I couldn't care less if this happened or not. But at this point it's an unnecessary thing to do right now. Priorities, guys.  Miskos3  Message  08:56, December 2, 2017 (UTC)
Not to mention the current lack of visitors to do any voting... IF there's ever going to be a re-vote, at least wait until the anime has started re-airing and more people come around here, or better wait until the Alvarez arc is reached in the anime so the anime-only viewers can also join in. NoNickNeeded (talk) 10:49, December 2, 2017 (UTC)
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