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Sting's rank in Sabertooth[]
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So I'll keep this as short as possible. In both the MS and MR translations, Sting was referred to as the leader of Sabertooth. I believe that assuming that he is the guild Master just because of this, is a bit of a speculation. For all we know, Sting may have been the only S-Class Mage of his guild, and so he acts as a temporary leader, without necessarily becoming a Master. Furthermore, from what we've seen in Fairy Tail, in order to become a Master, the previous Master has to hand over the title to the new one, which never happened in this case since Jiemma vanished.
Probably, Sting is indeed Sabertooth's Master. However, what I propose is sticking to what the chapter gave us, and keep Sting's rank as "Leader" for now, until it is 100% confirmed that he is the Master(he is bound to appear and confirm this sooner or later anyways). What do you guys think?
Well I propose waiting for RAW so Chaos can confirm whether both translations are indeed correct. If yes, then we should go with Leader, imo. Miskos3 Message 17:47, July 19, 2013 (UTC)
The leader of a guild is the master of a guild, the master of a guild is the leader of the guild. they are synonyms, and are the same thing. And no, in order to become a Master, the previous Master does not have to hand over the title to the new one, as seeing with Macao and Makarov.
17:48, July 19, 2013 (UTC)
- While the Master of the guild is the leader of the guild, the leader of the guild may or may not be the Master of the guild, as I see it. I think that waiting for the RAW, as Misk said, would be more appropriate. Raven
(S)talk17:50,7/19/2013
I'm with Raven on this one. Leader is not necessarily guild master. I think we should list him as leader not guild master--God
Pray 17:53,7/19/2013
How is it not the same thing?
17:56, July 19, 2013 (UTC)
The way I see it, Master is like a title. Leading a guild doesn't necessary mean you're the Master. Miskos3 Message 17:59, July 19, 2013 (UTC)
Master is a title. The title is given to the people who lead the guild.
18:01, July 19, 2013 (UTC)
Well since Jiemma left, his involvement with the Guild is no more, especially since Sting kept mentioning that Sabertooth is reborn. I would assume Sting is indeed the Guild Master now
:Umnei:
07:46, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
I couldn't really care less, but I will just say that I too felt it odd that both translations said leader instead of outright master. In fact, for those who remember, I felt it was odd enough that when I changed it on Sting's profile I didn't put in guild master, rather leader :/ Just my opinion... ☆°・*CarrotSays...*・°☆ 10:35, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
- Same here. If both translations say "leader", I doubt the original says "Master". And there must be a reason for Mashima to use that word instead of the other. Raven
(S)talk15:34,7/20/2013
I think that "staying on the wall" won't give us any good here. It's like Reli said, the guild master title is given to the person that leads the guild. The only reason Sting appeared on the cover was exactly to inform us that he is the new guild master, because Mashima had no space to mention it on the story now. Martios (talk) 19:04, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
- Then why not say so and use the word "leader" instead? I think that if the RAW indeed says "leader" and not "Master", we will have to vote on whether or not we need to change this. Assuming that by leader the author means Master doesn't seem very convenient either. Raven
(S)talk20:55,7/20/2013
If we are going by the translation from Mangastream, reading "after the Grand Magic Games" is already telling us that Saber started a new role, and not to mention the term "leader." As in a person who guides a group of people.
Mega
Talk 21:17, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
he seems to be an acting guild master though not an official one just yet, i say we shouldnt label him as guild master--Quoth The Raven "Nevermore" ' 00:20, July 21, 2013 (UTC)
El es un maestro, el maestro de Sabertooth!!! :D
MegaTalk 00:28, July 21, 2013 (UTC)
wut? (google translate's translation: He is a teacher, teacher Sabertooth! :D )--Quoth The Raven "Nevermore" ' 00:32, July 21, 2013 (UTC)
- "He is a master, the master of Sabertooth!!! :D" ... Pretty literal. ( ._.)
WrathZero 00:49, July 21, 2013 (UTC) - oh thanks wrath, stupid google translate. btw im listening to the podcast right now your voice is different then i imagined--Quoth The Raven "Nevermore" ' 00:51, July 21, 2013 (UTC)
The raw has him referred as Leader in Katakana. ChaosKnight 14:52, July 22, 2013 (UTC)
The fact that we have the raw now and it definitely says leader further makes me believe he is not the guild master and is instead more of a de-facto leader.--GodPray 15:58,7/22/2013
No, since its in Katakana its most likely that Leader is a new title and not just the sense of leading them. am I right Chaos?
16:23, July 22, 2013 (UTC)
So in that case wouldn't it be more correct and accurate to change "Master" to "Leader"? Raven
(S)talk17:43,7/22/2013
yup
17:56, July 22, 2013 (UTC)
Then isn't it time for this discussion to be closed? Since we got our hands on the Katakana, there's no reason to keep it open and debate about it anymore. Raven(S)talk19:16,7/22/2013
Let me translate that part of the description:
After the Grand Magic Game was over, he's actively working as the leader of Sabertooth.
ChaosKnight 22:34, July 22, 2013 (UTC)
As per Chaos, it was translated as Leader. I'll make the changes. Jakuho
Raikoben23:42,7/22/2013
Because his rank has been changed to Leader, shouldn't the category Guild Mastery be removed ^_^;? Just wanted to make sure before I would change anything.Nasu (talk) 03:23, July 25, 2013 (UTC)
Master[]
Latest chapter (356) stated Sting is the Master of Sabertooth. Official change of ranking for him now? --Shi-Woon Yi (talk) 22:34, October 18, 2013 (UTC)
It's plausible. But please wait for the RAW to be released. :)
MegaTalk 22:36, October 18, 2013 (UTC)
Age[]
He's 400 years or older. This was confirmed in Chapter 465 --JustScreamForMe (talk) 14:29, December 8, 2015 (UTC)
Refer to here for the discussion, should give you an answer Ncduru
14:33, December 8, 2015 (UTC)
STING AGE[]
latest chapters said that sting was alive 400 years ago before they went forward in time so he should be 400+ Nidvos (talk) 17:41, November 15, 2016 (UTC)
Your logic is absolutely and completely flawed; time travelling to future doesn't make you older, you're still the same age 'now' and in the 'future'. Miskos3 Message 18:40, November 15, 2016 (UTC)