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Forms own page

Do you guys feels as if the forms should have a page as well and up on the Star Dress is a picture and link of them like Erza's armors?76.3.76.211 03:57, October 18, 2015 (UTC)

Um you guys?76.3.76.211 15:11, October 18, 2015 (UTC)

But Star Dress itself is a spell, and these would be like, the spell of a spell? Spellception? No thank you. Each form is described here rather perfectly. There isn't much information to go off of anyway. The pages would be really brief. :/
WrathZero 15:15, October 18, 2015 (UTC)

Then explain about the Strauss Siblings though, their forms is a spell of a spell like Animal Soul: Cat, Bird, Rabbit, Beast Soul: Lizardman, Weretiger, and Satan Soul: Sitri, Halphas, and Mirajane Seilah. In fact its more of a spell of a spell of a spell, if you include Take-Over, same for Erza. Also some of Erza's armors pages don't have much information and is really brief too on its appearance and a little of its abilities; some don't really even have info on its abilities like her Purgatory Armor but only said to be her most powerful armor, nothing else. If that's the case, all her armors and info should be in her The Knight page instead of separates of them and same for the Strauss siblings forms for whatever souls they specialize.76.3.72.103 14:42, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

Animal Soul, etc. are Magic. Erza's armours are Magic Items. Star Dress is considered a Spell. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 14:43, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

That's also the parent of the forms like Natsu's Fire Dragon roar to Lightning Fire Dragon Roar which of course is a spell of a spell76.3.72.103 15:59, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

So... that brings me to something... Why isn't Star Dress a Magic? Miskos3 Message 14:59, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

good point, to look at it both ways it's spell used by lucy piercing herself with a key but on the other hand it has it's on magical attributes Ncduru

15:31,10/19/2015

Exactly what I mean.76.3.72.103 15:56, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

That is a really good point. Star Dress is like Re-Quip and the forms is like the armors which its parent ability is Star Dress that each of them contain its own attributes like the armors.Starpower98 (talk) 21:57, October 20, 2015 (UTC)

True, but on the other hand, the Star Dresses are heavily connected to their "parent spirit", which means we have three options there:

Keep it all in the Star Dress article - which might become a bit long and image heavy as time goes on.
Make seperate pages for each Dress - which would mean a lot of pages with very little content.
Add the section about the Star Dress to the Parent Spirit's article, or the article of the key - which isn't the most intuitive way.

NoNickNeeded (talk) 22:04, October 20, 2015 (UTC)

Wow, all 3 seem so...difficult to think about considering the cons mentioned. Well about option 2, content meaning information?Starpower98 (talk) 22:19, October 20, 2015 (UTC)

Yes. Right now each Dress has just a single paragraph. While this could probably be extended by making seperate appearance and ability sections, it'd still be quite short articles. NoNickNeeded (talk) 22:34, October 20, 2015 (UTC)

Her Sagittarius form comes with a bow and Taurus with a whip, those can have an equipment section. And there can be a description section like for example: Is a Star Dress form that allows Lucy to adopt the appearance, abilities, and powers of Loke by incorporate the power of Loke into her body with the Gate of the Lion Key to her chest. Then so forth with its appearance, abilities, and equipment (if form comes with one) sections. And besides that, not sure if that matters when like the anon stated, some of Erza's armors have quite short articles as well.Starpower98 (talk) 23:24, October 20, 2015 (UTC)

Look guys, let's not over-complicate things here. One really high quality page that lists all the parts of every star dress and describes them, along with their functions, accurately and accordingly, or a bunch of page with all the information we have here, but scattered extremely scantily across several sections. You do the math on which one is better.
WrathZero 23:33, October 20, 2015 (UTC)

okStarpower98 (talk) 23:37, October 20, 2015 (UTC)

Now that I think about it, in the Star Dress article can be a image of the forms and a link right under it to the forms like Erza's armors have in The Knight article.Starpower98 (talk) 23:50, October 20, 2015 (UTC)

Aware of how to format the hypothetical article, but I don't see the need to throw them all into separate pages when all the information is described accurately and almost completely full right here. They are not magic items like Erza's armor, they are not the result of a transformation magic like Satan Soul, it is just ultimately one spell, which is Star Dress. It is put into sections and linked to appropriately, plus there is a gallery at the bottom to show every Star Dress. It's literally fine.
Wrath

Zero 23:52, October 20, 2015 (UTC)

Oh ok. Just a thought is all.Starpower98 (talk) 23:57, October 20, 2015 (UTC)

Just so you know, it's not like I don't appreciate the thought you're putting into this. The query is legitimate and the stuff you're proposing is fine, I just firmly believe that having one superior high quality page is better than having a bunch of basically 'filler pages' for the wiki. Redirects can be made to each individual section and they can be expanded at will (TOC needs to be altered as well, pretty soon), and that's my solution for this.
Wrath

Zero 00:00, October 21, 2015 (UTC)

Oh I know. ^ ^Starpower98 (talk) 00:01, October 21, 2015 (UTC)

I actually believe the pages should be separated. Firstly, length is not an issue here. Each of these star dresses has more than enough info for a good page. And separate pages would allow them to be fleshed out more anyway. Secondly, this page looks beyond tacky. It's long, awkwardly formatted, and if we separated it, we wouldn't have to have that hideous gallery that's currently at the bottom of this page. >_> I'm just really not seeing the need of keeping them all together here. :/ 夢Iam... 黒 JakuhōRaikōben死04:36,10/21/2015

Yeah I agree especially the tacky part and the way that gallery looks...:/76.3.72.103 17:08, October 21, 2015 (UTC)

For us to be consistent, either Lucy's Star Dresses should have their own page each, or Erza's Armors should be listed under the same Requip page, as they are both Magics that produce forms that function very similarly (Erza producing Magic Items, Lucy wearing CS outfits). While the former may be easier, I think the latter would make for an nice challenge. You know how we have those tabs for the Magazine and such? what if we implemented a system like that for Star Dress and Requip? *enters lala land* ^^
:Umnei: 17:24, October 21, 2015 (UTC)

I'm with Rai on this one. Let's just make separated pages for them Miskos3 Message 17:36, October 21, 2015 (UTC)

So its settled?76.3.72.103 18:13, October 21, 2015 (UTC)

I'm with what y'all saying... star dress is pretty much Erza's armors so they should all have separate page, only to be consistent Ncduru

01:15,10/22/2015

So majority says that it should, so its really settled then?76.3.72.103 19:43, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

I don't have any problems with having separate pages. That way, at least people who wanna gaze at the glory (and derp T_T) that is the Sagittarius Form won't have to look at the other hideous atrocities.

That said, comparing the different forms of the Star Dress and Erza's armours is ridiculous. Star Dress is one item with different forms. Erza's armours have no relation to each other except for the fact that they are armours owned by Erza. Saying that Star Dress should be treated like Erza's armours for the sake of consistency makes no sense.

Oh, and if this discussion is also about Star Dress being a Magic, then I Vehemently Oppose that part. Star Dress is not a Magic. :/ --Sane Lunatic (talk) 19:56, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

No, Star Dress is a spell, the forms are different items based on its parent ability just like Erza's armors are the same to the type of requip she specialize in (The Knight), not to each other. And I don't understand why it wouldn't make sense since even in the manga it was treated like so. :/76.3.72.103 20:31, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

No, the different forms of the dress can only be used with Celestial Spirit Magic. Erza's armours do not require Requip to be used. Even Happy can equip her armours if he has enough Magic Power. The Knight is not a necessity. It is just useful. Star Dress and Erza's armours are completely different. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 20:37, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

That really makes no sense at all when Requip: The Knight is her magic which is why she even has armors and how she even equips to them. What's the point of having armors without Requip The Knight? .__. 76.3.72.103 20:46, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

lol, anybody can use the armours even without Requip. Requip is just a method that allows Erza to switch armours easily, giving her more versatility in battle. The armours are not dependent on Requip. Star Dress, on the other hand, cannot be used without Celestial Spirit Magic. There's a large difference. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 20:50, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

The only difference is just that, the dresses comes from the spirits, and Star Dress enhances Lucy's magic. And it never was said that its exactly like hers, only that its similar because Erza's armors makes her have abilities in what its made for, Lucy's forms is the same as well. Requip makes her switch into her armors, Star Dress the same for Lucy. Erza needs her armors to use its abilities, Lucy the same with her dresses.76.3.72.103 21:07, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

That's like saying that Lisanna's Animal Souls are similar to Erza's armours only because they give their users various abilities. Or that Cana cards are similar to Erza's armours as different cards give different effects. That's too superficial a comparison. Let me try putting it another way: Aside from Lucy's page, the different forms of the Star Dress can be collected in the Star Dress page. Where would you suggest Erza's armours be collected besides her own page? They obviously can't be collected on the The Knight page as the armours are perfectly usable without that Magic. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 21:12, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

You can say that since that's an example I stated above, and also her souls too have pages of their own as well. And you can say that Cana's cards are similar to Erza's armors as well but unlike those, Star Dress was considered to be similar to Erza's magic. Despite it has more qualities than The Knight, Lucy uses it to summon forms to fight like Erza's The Knight help her summon armors which is how they are a lot similar to each other. And here's the thing, her armors are on that page along with having pages on their own in the way how I suggested Lucy's forms can be.76.3.72.103 22:48, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

(reset indent) I didn't compare Animal Soul to Star Dress though. I said that comparing Erza's armours to Star Dress is like comparing the armours to Animal Soul or Cana's cards. And Star Dress is not considered similar to Erza's armours. When Lucy first equipped it, people mistook it for Requip, but Lucy immediately corrected them. Just like one could mistake Machina Soul or Transformation Magic for Requip, but they are completely different. And Lucy doesn't summon the Star Dress, she uses the Celestial Spirit Magic on herself. She stated so herself. Erza actually summons her armours from a separate dimension. Also, you misunderstand the The Knight thing. All those armours have been summoned by Erza using her Magic. Hence, they are included there. But, if ever Erza equips an armour without her Magic (unlikely but completely possible), then it won't be included on that page. I repeat, Lucy cannot use Star Dress without Celestial Spirit Magic. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 11:07, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

I know you didn't but since you suggested it to debunk my statement, I made a point that those aren't canonically stated considered to be similar to Erza's magic. Lucy didn't say its not exactly like hers because she did agreed that its similar but not exact and that's because like you said, she's using the celestial spirit powers into herself. How do I misunderstand The Knight, that is her magic, to requip armors as she fight to increase her abilities as stated in Chapter 10. And even if that's the case of it not being like her armors, I don't see why the forms shouldn't have pages of their own. It doesn't look right as it is now all up in that one page76.3.72.103 19:49, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Ummm, first, did you even read the first para of my original post? I have absolutely no problems with the different forms having separate pages.

And Lucy didn't say it's similar. A part of Erza's Magic is to Requip armours. She is mainly a Holder Mage as she uses the armours to fight. When I said that you misunderstand, I meant that you misunderstood the reason the armours are included on the The Knight page. They aren't there because they are all armours, they are there because they are all armours summoned by using The Knight. If she ever equips an armour without using Requip, that armour won't be included there. Simple. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 20:08, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, well there's no need to continue this then. .___. The purpose of this is to make them have their own pages.76.3.72.103 21:05, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Neutral - I really don't know. On the one hand, I agree with Wrath. We shouldn't overcomplicate things, as the descriptions used right now seem okay. On the other hand, it'd also make sense if we compare it to Erza's armors and because other forms are starting to accumulate in one article. Thus, this vote. ( ._.)
DispellingMage20:30,10/22/2015

I like Umnei's idea for tabs in the voting section. Maybe we should think about that one?
LumintheLord of Light~ 14:37,10/25/2015

I'd suggest following the Magic Spear: Ten Commandments format. The usage of the two is almost identical. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 14:47, October 25, 2015 (UTC)

Honestly I think Umy's idea of tabbing the page is the best solution. Derax Pagani 14:45, October 25, 2015 (UTC)

let's make it happppppppen Ncduru

15:04,10/25/2015

Forms own Page - Vote

Own Page

Each Star Dress get's its own article.

Support

Support - NoNickNeeded (talk) 19:52, October 22, 2015 (UTC)
Support - Miskos3 Message 20:18, October 22, 2015 (UTC)
Support - Meh, I guess I'm convinced. Would've partcicipated in the discussion initially, had it not been for the fact that I'm not particularly interested in the Celestial Spirits, oh and I despise Lucy. Wonder Talk ★★20:22,10/22/2015
Support - I support this--Sky-Dragoon-Twilight (talk) 01:30, October 23, 2015 (UTC)
Support - Sure, why not. - LumintheLord of Light~ 01:37,10/23/2015
Support - Ncduru 02:13,10/23/2015
Support - Less messy-- God · Pray · 19:59,10/23/2015
Support - May look better :) Starpower98 (talk) 20:04, October 23, 2015 (UTC)
Support - Can't be helped :P Tabs would still look pretty cool though. It would highlight each dress better than the congested TOC would. :Umnei: 09:08, October 24, 2015 (UTC)
Support - Animaltamer⁷ 10:25, October 24, 2015 (UTC)
Support - I actually wouldn't mind tabs Nei-chan. Although we're probably alone in thinking its a good idea. ( .___.) 夢Iam... 黒 JakuhōRaikōben死06:13,10/25/2015
Support - I LOVE SAGITTARIUS STAR DRESS!
/// c h o k o ^★ /// m e s s a g e ^★ /// s t a m p : 06:18, 10/25/2015 ^★ ///
Support - ☆°・*CarrotSays...*・°☆ 06:49, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
Support - Agree with the others. --Sarada Uzumaki (talk) 12:46, October 25, 2015 (UTC)