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Spriggan Twelve or Spriggan 12

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This may sound totally unnecessary, but regarding the Japanese name スプリガン12 and the fact that we have a similarly named group called Element 4, should we write the number as "12" instead of "Twelve"? Immblueversion (talk) 15:57, July 18, 2015 (UTC)

That's actually a really good point. Makes sense to me. :P Iam...    JakuhōRaikōben 16:02,7/18/2015

What are you guys aiming for? A third name correction? You guys can't make up your minds. :3 -- The Talk Goblin 16:20, July 18, 2015 (UTC)

That's a good point actually. I'm up for the change. Onfire.gif Wonder Talk 16:35, July 18, 2015 (UTC)

Well, the 12 is written in the kata, so why not?
:Umnei:Juvia'sPictureForUmneiSignature 22:17, July 18, 2015 (UTC)

Sure Miskos3 Message 22:18, July 18, 2015 (UTC)

Personally I don't like the usage of the numbers rather than the actual word, but if the actual Japanese uses the numbers, go for it. DeraxLogo Fairy Tail right 13:33, July 19, 2015 (UTC)

Makes sense. DispellingJellal chibiMage 13:44, July 19, 2015 (UTC)

Bump. How about a vote, just to get the discussion over with as quickly as possible? The 'Sorcerer Magazine' float box is currently flooded. Onfire.gif Wonder Talk 15:07, July 20, 2015 (UTC)

Name Changes

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Inbel will be changed to Invel. Dimaria Yesta will remain unchanged, and Ajeel's discussion will move to his talk page.
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Hey peeps, so writing this here because I ceebs going to each individual page and making a discussion. >_> So the raw is out and here are Mapa's name change proposals.

  • Inbel --> Invel
  • Dimaria Yesta ----> Yester/Yesta (can be changed to Yester or left as Yesta; Either is fine)
  • Ajeel Lamur ----> Azyle Ramule

There was also Orgast ----> August but that's already been done by somebody and I couldn't be fucked to change it back just for us to decide to change it again. So, if you oppose it, let it be known. >__> Tell me what you guys think below. Iam...    JakuhōRaikōben 04:54,7/22/2015

Support Support - Invel, Neutral Neutral - on Yesta cause idk. Oppose Oppose - Azyle. We went with Yazir at first but then it came out that it was indeed Yajeel. I think this is a simalar situation-- God · Pray · 04:58,7/22/2015 

Actually the only reason we changed it to Yajeel is because Mapa thought it would be a better translation. We had Yazir down because that was the translation we got from Mangastream. :/ I think a change would do us some good since we have Gajeel, Yajeel, and Ajeel, which I normally wouldn't have a problem with but the katakana is different for all three of those names so I'm thinking that there was obviously meant to be some kind of distinction between them. Iam...    JakuhōRaikōben 05:04,7/22/2015
For Gajeel, Yajeel, and Ajeel, their kanji is different, but very similar. And their romaji's are all pretty much the same; ajiru(Gajeel)/ajīru(Yajeel & Ajeel), so the pronunciation of each name would be almost the same. Ajeel sounds closer to the romaji to me. Not to mention, the official translation uses it (with the exception of Ajeel/Azyle all the official translations matches Chaos'). I would like to know the reasoning behind Chaos' translation for this particular name.
Anyway, I suggest we keep Yesta just for a bit of consistency with the official translation (and also so we don't have to change anything) and change Inbel to Invel.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 05:18, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

Invel sounds better. Yester/Yesta, idk yet. And apparently Ajeel is an arabic name that means fast, quick, while trying to google Azyle gets me to "did you mean azula/azel/azilee" >_>. So TL;DR: Support Support - Invel, Oppose Oppose - Azyle, oh and Support Support - August, cause it makes more sense that Orgast sounding like orgasm ._. [furbie.helios.tissue.moup.yuki.tofu] 05:34, 7/22/2015  

Is Azir not being considered at all? I think I liked it the most. Miskos3 Message 06:35, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

Well, Chaos didn't mention it when she provided her translations. And seeing as though the official translation doesn't use it, it's unlikely to be an option unless someone states a logical reason as to why it should be. Right now the only options are Ajeel, Azyl and maybe Azyle (an option Chaos' provided prior to her final decision). I suggest you speak to Chaos if you think it's a possible option or if you think should be used.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 07:13, July 22, 2015 (UTC)
I'd pronounce the name the same way I'd pronounce Ajeel. Plus it's an actual name Miskos3 Message 07:30, July 22, 2015 (UTC)
I would only pronounce Azyl similar to Ajeel. But anyway, Azir is not an option unless you speak to Chaos. For this discussion we are only using either what Chaos provided or what the official translation uses. Also, a lot of names in the series aren't actual names.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 07:55, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

I Support Support - Invel, Oppose Oppose - Yester (Yesta sounds better and it's good to have some consistency with the official translations), and Support Support - Azyle (I don't like having Gajeel, Yajeel and also Ajeel, better off with the change). Onfire.gif Wonder Talk 08:29, July 22, 2015 (UTC) Support Support - Invel Oppose Oppose - Yester, leave it at Yesta Support Support - Azyle, too many characters with "jeel" in their name so anything better than Ajeel I support {Ncduru (talk) 10:49, July 22, 2015 (UTC)}

Support Support - All. Out of curiosity, for Ajeel, does Agile work? I keep reading the pronunciation and I feel as though the spelling for Agile would work for it, even though it isn't pronounced that way, much like how Precht and Thibault's names don't correlate to their kanji.
:Umnei:Juvia'sPictureForUmneiSignature 14:18, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

I was wondering about Agile too when I first saw the name, Umy~ ☆°・*CarrotSays...*・°☆ 01:32, July 23, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, it seems as though we have enough support to change Inbel to Invel and leave Dimaria's last name as Yesta, so I'm going to change Inbel's name now. As for Ajeel/Azyle, I will ask Chaos for further input, as I don't think the discussion is constructive as it needs to be. Not to disrespect anyone or the votes, but the only reason I can see why people are opposing Ajeel is because it's too similar to other names (everyone else either offered another suggestion or didn't state a reason), which I don't think should be a factor (or at least not the main factor).--DuelMaster93 (talk) 14:58, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

I Support Support - all (Yesta, not Yester) but Azyle, whom I am Neutral Neutral - on. I would prefer Ajeel Rommul in the event that we have a chapter title named after him (consistency issues ftw) but until we do, couldn't give a fig. :D
WrathRogue ChibiZero 15:42, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, so Chaos has provided a further opinion on Ajeel which I will summarize as best I can. Due to the ィ in アジィール, the pronunciation sounds closer to a Zi sound than a Ji sound, therefore resulting in the name Azeel (and ruling Ajeel out). Due Chaos to wanting to differentiate eel she went with Azyle, but has since changed her mind on that one as it could easily be mispronounced, therefore making it inaccurate. So Ajeel and Azyle are no longer options.
At this point the only option left is Azeel, so I suggested Azeal, just to give another option for people who don't want the eel. Chaos agreed that Azeal would also work.
So now, we have 2 options Azeel (the slightly more accurate one) and Azeal (not too similar to other names while still accurate enough). All it comes down to now is preference for this particular name given the options we have, so we will decide this one via a vote.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 23:36, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

Not exactly accurate. Azyle is still a possible option if it's not mispronounced, which wasn't a problem for anyone here. The only thing that's different about the discussion now is that it is now expanded to included the new translations: Azeel and Azeal. :/ Iam...    JakuhōRaikōben 23:50,7/22/2015
Well first of all Ajeel is no longer an option, due to not matching with kanji. Secondly, how do you know that no-one here mispronounced Azyle? Umnei (who was one of only 2 other people to talk about pronunciation) brought up Agile after reading Azyle. I definitely think a lot of people would mispronounce Azyle. Anyway I Support Support - Azeel or Azeal due to being the most accurate to kanji and least likely to be mispronounced. Also, now that options have been changed I feel we need a recount for this particular name.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 00:23, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
Ajeel doesn't "not match with the kanji." Mapa just believes it might not be the best fit for the kanji. It's still an option. Secondly, because frankly, it's common sense given the pronunciations we've seen so far. :/ And thirdly, don't ever limit the voting options on a naming forum like this because that's not how we do things on the site. We discuss them until a satisfactory consensus has been reached or until enough time has passed. And if a possible translation for a name is present, it's included and its the community's job to decided whether or not to go with them. When you talked to Mapa, the only thing that you should've done is come here and share what Mapa said with everyone so that could help us with our decisions because that's how discussions work. And these discussions are open for a while to allow everyone adequate time to say their piece and vote, so if anyone wishes to change their vote, they can come back and change them if they so desire. Iam...    JakuhōRaikōben 00:33,7/23/2015
My apologies then. I never really participated in productive discussions until recently, so excuse my ignorance to the rules and/or how things are normally handled. Anyway, the reason I ruled Ajeel out is because if people read the opinion I got from Chaos, it would be clear to them that Ajeel would not be the best choice. And I only narrowed it down and did a vote because I felt we need a new fresh vote cause 2 new options were introduced after people already started voting (I doubt many people will come back and change their votes). I didn't want Azyle being chosen over Azeal for example just because Azyle was an option earlier. But whatever, I've said all I had to say and I hope everyone who voted earlier at least considers the new options.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 00:57, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
Virtually all the users who have voted so far are councilors, admins, or chat moderators. All of them know better than to cast a vote on a discussion and never check it again (discussions on this site are way too fickle for that). And even though a few people have voted, this is mainly just a discussion at the moment. If things are unclear due to circumstances (like they are now), then a final vote will be open to make sure everything is 100% clear (look at the Albareth Empire discussion, for example). And I sincerely apologize if I seemed testy earlier. I've been on the site for a long time, so it's very easy to forget sometimes that not everyone is as used to the site as me. And I do appreciate you taking such an active roll in the discussions. Most people just bandwagon vote with the majority. It's always great to have users with an opinion who think their votes through and try to get others to do the same. ^___^ Iam...    JakuhōRaikōben 01:07,7/23/2015

Support Support - August and Invel.
Oppose Oppose - Yester.
Neutral Neutral - Ajeel. Whatever happened to Ajir? .-. Tbh Ajir is the one I probably like the most looks wise, and I say it with the jir as "jeer", so...??
☆°・*CarrotSays...*・°☆ 01:32, July 23, 2015 (UTC)

I googled for a possible meaning of Ajir, and like Ajeel, it means quick for an Indian name.[furbie.helios.tissue.moup.yuki.tofu] 01:48, 7/23/2015  
For Ajeel, the options were changed after the raw was released. All of the following options excluding Ajeel were provided by Chaos: Ajeel (the official translation), Azeel (matches the kanji the closest), Azeal (changed from Azeel to differentiate from eel names), Azyle (works, but can be easily mispronounced making it incorrect). Also, Ajir is currently not an option, so speak to Chaos to see if it's a possible translation if you want to use it--DuelMaster93 (talk) 02:00, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
DuelMaster, as Rai already told you earlier, please do not limit the naming options in a name discussion. We are all trashing out the possible names here, and you seem to keep restricting the options by saying "something" isn't an option", just because something doesn't fit the kanji or isn't an option mentioned by Chaos. The final proper voting will happen only later.[furbie.helios.tissue.moup.yuki.tofu] 15:09, 7/23/2015  

Ehm, I'm confused as fuck so can anyone tell me again what are the possible options for each of them? We probably should just make separate votings on each character's page because this is kinda messy and I don't even know which option is winning at this point. Miskos3 Message 07:16, July 23, 2015 (UTC)

Well at the moment it looks as though the majority are in favour of changing Inbel to Invel, and keeping as Dimaria Yesta as is (not much support for Yester). In my opinion those names have pretty much been decided. If you still want to vote on those names the options are still the same as the ones originally listed by Jak.
Ajeel's name however, now has 2 new options, Azeel & Azeal. The other options originally listed were Ajeel and Azyle. According to Chaos Azeel is the most is the most accurate translation, but Azeal would also work well (suggested after some people wanted something that didn't end with eel). Azyle could work, but Chaos conceded can be inaccurate if mistranslated. Ajeel could work but is the least accurate.
So yeah, I hope I cleared things up. I personally think we should at least move the Ajeel discussion to his talk page (due to all the mess), and the other 2 can stay here as those are nearly close to being decided.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 14:45, July 23, 2015 (UTC)

So just an attempt to clarify, current options being trashed out atm:

  1. Inbel or Invel
  2. Yesta or Yester
  3. Ajeel or Ajir or Azeel or Azeal or Azyle or Agile

[furbie.helios.tissue.moup.yuki.tofu] 15:09, 7/23/2015  

Okay, so the general consensus seems to be to change Inbel to Invel and leave Yesta as is. I'll handle that now. And I'm going to reopen Ajeel's discussion on his talkpage listing all the options for everyone to vote on. Iam...    JakuhōRaikōben 15:32,7/23/2015

Grammar revision

I've noticed a slight problem here and couldn't edit it myself, but the page says
"The Spriggan 12 (スプリガン12 Supurigan Tuerubu) is an elite unit serving as the Emperor of the Alvarez Empire, Spriggan's personal guard."
Shouldn't it say "serving under the emperor" instead? Grimmjay (talk) 05:11, July 28, 2015 (UTC)

Actually, what you've written and what is written is wrong. It should be "The Spriggan 12 is an elite unit serving as Emperor Spriggan's, the emperor of the Alvarez Empire, personal guard."
WrathRogue ChibiZero 05:13, July 28, 2015 (UTC)

Then fix it m8. Grimmjay (talk) 05:15, July 28, 2015 (UTC)

Base of Operations

wrong to say the 12s base of operations is Vistarion? This only came to my mind after seeing Brandish's room lol NcduruRavens wallpaper (2) 21:06, December 24, 2015 (UTC)

Isn't every Spriggan stationed elsewhere? Otherwise why they needed to be summoned, with some of them not even being on time/not coming at all? Miskos3 Message 21:14, December 24, 2015 (UTC)

The Spriggans also appear to do whatever it is they please and roam about, as when Zeref asked member Invel to gather the other eleven members, he noted that such a task on such short notice would be extremely difficult. Some also appear to operate independently of Zeref's wishes and act of their own accord, as Zeref said that the Alvarez invasion of Ishgar in X781 was due to some members of the Spriggan 12 not following his orders to stay away from the continent. --- from the wiki's summary

Just checked 445 too, Zeref: Some of the 12 aren't easy to keep still. That time I stopped it. It wasn't the right time.

Didn't see anything that said they were stationed elsewhere, what I took away from that is they just be doing their own thing and shit, not listening to Zeref. Only reason I figured they all must been based out of Vistarion. Obvious too they've all been there since there were 12 seats at the meeting.. don't think it was for show NcduruRavens wallpaper (2) 21:28, December 24, 2015 (UTC)

Vistarion is (one of) Zeref's base(s) of operation. He is the Emperor. When he calls for a meeting, his subordinates gather where he is. Spriggan 12 roam about. We have no idea whether they are stationed anywhere specifically or are wanderers who think of Vistarion as home (like FT for Gildarts) or are pure wayfarers. Vistarion is not their base of operation, until more info is revealed anyway. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 11:27, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Rahkeid, last member?

not sure about talking about this topic, but i was confused because of the recent chapter summary. "On the northern front, Gajeel's group rescues the captured Sabertooth and Blue Pegasus Mages, after which the six prepare to clash against the three Shields of Spriggan posted there." as of now, we won't tell if Rakheid is an actual member or not Kunoichi101 (talk) 18:09, May 14, 2016 (UTC)

True, although he's most likely the one. Sting said there were 'three monsters' and we already knew each side had 3 Spriggans. Of course, as soon as that's proven wrong, changes will be made accordingly. Miskos3 Message 18:14, May 14, 2016 (UTC)

Irene Squad

add irene squad info to irene's summary? thx!-- 18:46, May 14, 2016 (UTC)

Larcade Update

hey update larcade's info to this page? last revealed sprrigan 12. thanks :)-- 14:30, July 11, 2016 (UTC)

Also add that August is the leader of the 12s??? Thx
Jup, please update the Infobox with August as leader/general.-Yours truly,
The Dark Overlord 15:57, July 11, 2016 (UTC)

Image update

The current chapter has a perfect two-page spread of all the Spriggan 12, plus Zeref, together in clear view. It goes without saying that I suggest we use it. SubZeroSilver (talk) 15:26, July 16, 2016 (UTC)

Agreed. It's much better than the silhouette. Super Kami Guru (Swiggity swass, I'm gonna violate 'dat ass!) 15:28, July 16, 2016 (UTC)

I'll open up a vote soon DispellingSiegrain ChibiMage15:27,7/16/2016

I just noticed the MangaStream watermark in the upper left-hand corner of the image. We might want to get rid of that. SubZeroSilver (talk) 20:37, July 16, 2016 (UTC)

Add Wahl Icht to "Former Members"

Chapter 494 confirms Wahl Icht as deceased, given his "return" as a Historia. I advise an update. SubZeroSilver (talk) 18:09, July 16, 2016 (UTC)

Infobox Picture

Would this be a better profile picture for the Twelve?

Image Deleted

Nameless Knight名も無きん者騎士 (En Garde) 12:57, November 8, 2016 (UTC) use it for the image vote Kunoichi101 (talk) 23:40, November 8, 2016 (UTC)

Image deleted because it violated policy. Image would only be acceptable if the volume cover background was removed.
WrathRogue ChibiZero 01:48, November 9, 2016 (UTC)

Oh, my bad! Nameless Knight名も無きん者騎士 (En Garde) 12:22, November 11, 2016 (UTC)

Old designs

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Some of the Spriggans have different designs when first discussed by Brandish in Chap443, I'd say it would be worth placing this in the trivia like we do on other pages. --Neffyarious (talk) 11:55, March 11, 2019 (UTC)

Following brain's page format i think it's appropriate to add it in the trivia section than mentioning it in their appearance section. We should also use the manga chapter & page to point out where their old appearance was shown as a reference. Let's see what the others think. LightningGeistLaxus Chibi 12:07, March 11, 2019 (UTC)

Agreed, we should mention it since some of their designs definitely had a couple of changes.Pisces in ECS arc (no bg)Animaltamer7Pisces key02:48, March 12, 2019 (UTC)

If this were to be implemented i would request for it to be implemented in the Five Dragon Gods page too since their silhouettes have a different designs compared to their current appearances. Feel free to double check. LightningGeistLaxus Chibi 12:11, March 23, 2019 (UTC)

Agreed. --Neffyarious (talk) 12:17, March 23, 2019 (UTC)

What are the Spriggin 12 members ages?

So how old do you think the members of the Spriggin 12 are? I know Brandish has been hinted to be th same age as Lucy 17-18 Larcade is over 400 as is Irene and August is 94 but what about thee other members? (Maureen.sciannella (talk) 04:58, August 21, 2019 (UTC))

Unfortunately their exact ages were never officially revealed and even if we speculate their ages it cannot be added in their pages since its fan made and was never published in any official sources so we can not reference it for the sake of accuracy. LightningGeistLaxus Chibi 05:09, August 21, 2019 (UTC)

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