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Abilities

This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion is:
Manipulating books is to be considered a part of Macro.
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So we've seen recently that Sayla is able to manipulate books and make them fly around and (somehow) do damage to Mirajane. We are gonna discuss whether that ability is part of her Curse Macro or if she is using the Magic Telekinesis. Please don't just vote but actually provide evidence when saying what you believe is happening. Discuss! :P Bickslow Doll Bickslow Doll3Bickslow Doll 2 15:17, April 11, 2014 (UTC)

I am for Telekinesis because all she is doing is levitating inanimate objects. Yes, Demons uses Curses, but there has been nothing said about them being unable to use Magic. That is an assumption. Macro however has been shown to be an ability that requires the user to give commands to other beings.   Kuro      Ashi   15:18, April 11, 2014 (UTC)

When I read the chapter, the first thought that came to mind was Telekinesis. I'm okay with Macro for the living things, but I really don't see the difference between her manipulating the books here, and the other examples of Telekinesis. Also, the current Macro page states it "is a Curse that involves bodily manipulation." If the community really comes to the conclusion that it is Macro, then that description needs to be changed too. SüиnyFï :// knit α tαlє 15:34, April 11, 2014 (UTC)

While observing, it looks like Telekinesis but given her Curse she can manipulate living or dead, assuming she can manipulate books as well. She uses hand gestures to send those books towards Mira and they aren't normal books since it hurt her implying it's infused with Sayla's Cruse. Kamika is able to manipulate paper, books are made from paper, so they are fairly similar and it isn't categorized as Telekinesis since it's the nature of her magic. Other characters are shown to manipulate objects or humans without Telekinesis:

  • Bickslow - can move objects by infusing it with souls.
  • Ivan - Able to manipulate paper dolls.
  • Sherry - Her magic is very similar to Salya's Curse but can't control humans.
  • Ooba - She can make you spin =D

If anything she's infusing those books with her Curse. Remnant13 Talk 15:57,4/11/2014

What do all of you make of there not being any books before Sayla came. And that the mass of books from previous chapters is now gone and there are only 5 or so anymore.

Did she bring the books with her? Did she summon them? Or could it even be that those weren't books in the first place, but that she just formed her magic/curse into the shape of books? NoNickNeeded (talk) 19:02, April 11, 2014 (UTC)

I see comments about her controlling a corpse, but the problem with that is said corpse still only operated within its natural abilities, and even then poorly. We are now talking about inanimate objects levitating, which if memory serves me correctly, books cannot do. I do not believe her ability is so powerful that she merely has to tell something to fly for it to be able to.   Kuro      Ashi   03:29, April 12, 2014 (UTC)

Sure, but commanding a corpse to fire a magic spell is bound to be more complicated than "hover and fly there". NoNickNeeded (talk) 08:52, April 12, 2014 (UTC)
Not if the body was capable of such magic to begin with. Again, books can't naturally fly. People can naturally use magic (in the Fairy Tail universe. Don't try this at home, kids). So if Sayla commanded Elfman to fly, we might see an air battle between Lizardman and Happy soon? Yum yum, kitty stew.   Kuro      Ashi   23:53, April 12, 2014 (UTC)

Support Macro

  1. Support Support - Macro - I believe it's a part of her Curse, she could control a corpse, so it's not farfetched to think that in the same way, she can control non living objects. I'm also inclined to believe that Demons do not make use of Magic at all for several reasons, one, they are too proud to get down on humans' level as shown on multiple occasions with Franmalth, Kyouka or recently, Lamy, who got mad when Lisanna called Sayla's ability a Magic and two, wouldn't they be wiping out part of their abilities with Face if they were using Magic? So yep, it's part of her Macro, imo. Miskos3 Message 15:31, April 11, 2014 (UTC)

  2. Support Support - Macro - Remnant13 Talk 15:57,4/11/2014
  3. Support Support - Macro - Okay, so I'm actually going to explain my own reasons for this support, and here goes: From what we've seen, the only prerequisite for Sayla's curse is that whatever she gives an order to needs a solid form. So, with that in mind, she doesn't need to see what needs to be controlled because she said flat out that she can control whatever she's placed on order on remotely at any time. So if she just placed an order on her books, then she can just order them to come to her from wherever, which in this case is their headquarters.
    WrathRogue ChibiZero 18:49, April 11, 2014 (UTC)
  4. Support Support - Sayla was able to control a dead body back then, and she even said something about her Macro not working so well on something that is already dead. And controlling books, which are lots smaller than a human body and weight less, shouldn't be a problem when she was able to take control of a whole corpse.
    MegaPanchamTalk 19:45, April 11, 2014 (UTC)
  5. Support Support -Taurus (no bg)Animaltamer7Taurus Key
  6. Support Support - Macro - Part of her Curse. If Sayla was using Magic, Lamy would not correct Lisanna. Who knows, maybe the books she's levitating are Books of Zeref too... MamergeMirajane Chibi 207:28,4/13/2014

Support Telekinesis

  1. Support Support - Even if we end up calling it 'Telekinesis Curse', I am adamant that her levitating books can be the same ability as giving verbal commands to beings (dead or alive).   Kuro      Ashi   15:50, April 11, 2014 (UTC)
  2. Support Support - for the reasons I stated above. SüиnyFï :// knit α tαlє 16:02, April 11, 2014 (UTC)

Retracted Votes

Macro doesn't work on other demons?

From chapter 380, Sayla has stated her Macro doesn't work on Mirajane despite working on Elfman. Is it safe to assume her curse has no effect on demons (as Mira is partially one)? --Taiga Yang (talk) 02:12, April 12, 2014 (UTC)

EDIT: Nvm... missed the part on page 14 x_x sorry about that. --Taiga Yang (talk) 02:15, April 12, 2014 (UTC)

Abilities Part 2

I know that we already decided to put Sayla's manipulation of books as part of her Macro Curse, since Demons use curses not Magic. But since we found out that Mard can jack and use Telepathy, isn't it safer to put that Sayla can use Telekinesis now? Macro is a curse that involves bodily manipulations; telekinesis, inanimate. And books are inanimate objects, what do you think~? MamergeHappy Chibi img Chibi-ErzaHappy ChibiMessage12:25,5/1/2014

That doesn't automatically make it Magic. Demons use Curses, period. Miskos3 Message 12:31, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

Your argument doesn't automatically makes You omniscient to know such things. Mayby Etherious not only use Curses but they MAY PREFER to do so. It was proved in the latest chapter, when Mard shown his telepathic powers, hitnting that Demons acutally can use some magic alongside their curses, period. Mad 従え! 17:56, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

Your 'maybe' and 'may' makes your whole argument a speculation. The same way I can argue that Mard may have used Telepation through the use of Curse Power. Miskos3 Message 18:19, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

Navigation

Could somebody with the required rights please add the Devil Slayers template to the navigation? Dragons have the Dragon Slayers template ... Thank you in advance. ^_^ --Sane Lunatic (talk) 20:55, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

Name

One of the frustrating things about this Wikia is that in cases like this, where the only reference to the character is through the unofficial fan name, is that one cannot find her through her official name, which Kodansha Comics has deemed to be "Seilah". So at the very least, can we get a mention that the official spelling of her name from Kodansha Comics is Seilah? The reference to the unofficial name spelling should also remain, but the official name needs to be in for all characters, Thanks! Todd-sama (talk) 00:59, January 19, 2015 (UTC)

Thats not official, that Kodansha's translation. Their releases do not contain a note stating that Mashima provided the romanizations, as such their translations are no more canon than any other fan translations. We can make a redirect but the name is not official-- God · Pray · 01:04,1/19/2015 

Vol 45 Translation Note

As the main page is still locked I'll leave this message here. Kodansha, in Vol 45, has left a translation note under Sayla's energy blast technique (called Demon Eyes) which reads:

  • "Surrounding Seilah's hand are kanji, but they do not form words. They are simply symbols in a magic pattern. The kanji's meaning are concepts like 'murder', 'beauty', 'rot', 'sea', and other primal-seeming terms."

I just thought this would be worth mentioning in the article instead of just, "Sayla forms two Curse mark circles around her hand...". It should also be mentioned she's capable of creating an eye on both hands simultaneously for a more powerful attack (whose blast engulfs her arms with the same kanji) as that is what happens before she's KO'd by Elfman.   Kuro      Ashi   08:14, January 28, 2015 (UTC)

I too think this should be on the article, though I think the Trivia section would be a more fitting place. NoNickNeeded (talk) 09:44, January 28, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah that's more of trivia like Nick said, but the part in the article where it says that be reworded to say kanji.
WrathRogue ChibiZero 14:27, January 28, 2015 (UTC)

Limit Release?

Hey everyone. So there's a new event in Brave Saga that features Seilah's demonic form and they seem to call her "Etherious" form. I believe this game is quite credible and does indeed have Mashima's approval, and I guess it's safe to say that this is her Etherious form and not just a "Limit Release". I mean, if this isn't her Etherious form and is just a limit release, I can't imagine her having another form. What do you guys think? source.
:Umnei:Juvia'sPictureForUmneiSignature 15:16, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

Support Support - I always wondered why we treated it a different way... Miskos3 Message 15:17, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

I'd like to think because she not once said it was her Etherious form, so we didn't want to speculate~
:Umnei:Juvia'sPictureForUmneiSignature 15:18, October 10, 2015 (UTC)
Well... As Wrath said, it should've been a common sense that it's her Etherious form. What else could she tranform into? Strip the lower part of her attire, too? Miskos3 Message

Rai and I talked it over already. Not speculation, just common sense. Her and Ezel will have their stuff moved to Etherious Form later. Limit release is just a fake name we came up with anyway. :P
WrathRogue ChibiZero 15:19, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

I don't even mind if we keep calling it that way. Just mention that it's the Etherious form. Miskos3 Message 15:22, October 10, 2015 (UTC)
It'll just be moved down away from her Macro and mention that it's her Macro that allows her to enter the form. The Limit Release will still be mentioned, but it'll be shorter and all the info will be under Etherious Form.
WrathRogue ChibiZero 15:23, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

Support Support - HamodyKeyes FT siteAsgail 15:26, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

Limit Release is a named ability. If we have that as Etherious Form, what exactly is Limit Release? Seilah can only enter her Etherious Form by using her Macro, for which the command is Limit Release? Tbh, I think this is true, but that would be speculation. Still, if nobody minds it, go ahead. But Limit Release needs to be mentioned as it is mentioned. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 17:14, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

It's common sense, not a speculation. I don't care what you guys want to call it, but it's definitely an Etherious form release. Miskos3 Message 17:19, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

*Edit conflicted by Misk but gonna post anyway :'D* It's not speculation. The members of her race that entered alternate forms have all entered Etherious Forms (yes, Ezel too. We're just retarded). To say that Seilah's form is something entirely different is what is speculation. It's completely clear from what happens is that she uses her Macro to enter the form. Doesn't have to be outright said for it to be plain as day. If we left everything up to blatant statements we'd be strapped for information across the board. >_>
WrathRogue ChibiZero 17:22, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

I said I don't mind calling it Etherious Form, but doing away with Limit Release is not an option as it is named. ._./ --Sane Lunatic (talk) 17:25, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

But nobody is say do away with Limit Release. I said originally, "It'll just be moved down away from her Macro and mention that it's her Macro that allows her to enter the form. The Limit Release will still be mentioned, but it'll be shorter and all the info will be under Etherious Form." As in Limit Release is shortened to something that says it allows her to enter her Etherious Form, and all info under that currently gets moved to Etherious Form... I thought that was clear.
WrathRogue ChibiZero 17:26, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

Minor question regarding Limit Release (apologies for interrupting); is it the case that the other unmentioned aspect is excluded because of origin of detail? Inept Wiki User (talk) 17:32, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

Wut
WrathRogue ChibiZero 17:51, October 11, 2015 (UTC)
The bit regarding sacrificing non-offensive powers for offensive power (V46). I was thinking that it was likely excluded here because of where it came from, but I thought I should check to be sure. Inept Wiki User (talk) 23:48, October 11, 2015 (UTC)
I've never read the translated version of volume 46 so I have no idea what it describes in the bonus section.
WrathRogue ChibiZero 21:51, October 12, 2015 (UTC)

Status

Based on the 456 what do you guys think? Alive? Deceased? Unknown? Obviously not alive but she absorbed her to prevent her from dying which confused me but I'm leaning to she's dead but what does everyone else think? NcduruRavens wallpaper (2)16:11,10/10/2015

Imo, Inactive would be best as she's, well, not active. Somewhat like when we considered E.N.D. to have been shut inside a book. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 17:14, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

Inactive sounds dumb as hell, for E.N.D. too. I kinda want to question our use of 'Active' again, honestly, 'Alive' would fit in many situations like this, where we have to make up stuff based on character's imprisoment/being sealed/absorbed/in coma/whatever. Miskos3 Message 17:17, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

Tbh, I like Imprisoned, Inactive and Active making up Alive. Alive is just too vague and no real indication of status, imo. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 17:22, October 10, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, but active indicates that they're moving around doing shit. We should honestly either use alive or do a special-case scenario for Seilah. Either way, gotta vote here or on a forum.
WrathRogue ChibiZero 17:24, October 10, 2015 (UTC)
Seilah is considered Inactive, atm. Not Active. ._. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 17:26, October 10, 2015 (UTC)
But if we use 'Alive' instead, that solves the problem. Miskos3 Message 17:27, October 10, 2015 (UTC)
But she is the only one who uses active. Jackal should be unknown at this point, so he's out. E.N.D. is Natsu, so he's active. So who does that leave us? Just her, and it's weird. >_>
WrathRogue ChibiZero 17:27, October 10, 2015 (UTC)
If we ever get a statement that Azuma is alive (I still find it weird that we consider him Unknown, the guy stated that turning into a tree is a side-effect of Great Tree Arc and a tree is alive >.>), then he would be Inactive. Any Etherious still in Book form would be Inactive. Heck, can one even consider a book as alive? Or a flute, for that matter? Inactive works for these things. It doesn't state that they are alive. But it doesn't state that they are deceased either. Just dormant. Which works best, imo. I feel that Inactive is too useful a status to lose because Alive encompasses all. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 17:38, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

(reset indent) I completely agree with Sane; I like the system we currently have. "Alive" is just too vast for my taste, it would cause a lot of confusions. Onfire.gif Wonder Talk 17:44,10/10/2015

Completely agree with Sane and Uni. Iam...    JakuhōRaikōben05:15,10/12/2015

Let it be known that I really don't care if we start using inactive as long as we don't use it just for Seilah and that there are others that fit into this category too.
WrathRogue ChibiZero 09:31, October 12, 2015 (UTC)

So, case closed then? Onfire.gif Wonder Talk 16:06,10/15/2015

Pretty much. Azuma would be inactive as well, I suppose since turning into a living tree is his magic's side effect.
WrathRogue ChibiZero 16:08, October 15, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree. Besides, as you said before, we need to fit more people into that category. Onfire.gif Wonder Talk 16:31,10/15/2015

Can she still use curse magic?

Mirajane revealed that she took Seilah's power, did she not? So shouldn't we put that she no longer uses curse magic? (Singsweet23 (talk) 20:17, March 19, 2016 (UTC))

*Took over Seilah's power. She absorbed Seilah. Currently Seilah is alive inside Mirajane, but she has no physical body of her own. Or do you mean during Tartaros arc? During then, she force Seilah to use Macro on Elfman.
WrathRogue ChibiZero 20:20, March 19, 2016 (UTC)

Appearance

Which description of Seilah does the "Appearance" section refer to? I've never seen Seilah in beige, but that could just be because I've never seen any official art of her? However, it could be a bit confusing considering most of the pictures in the article show a purple leopard-print kimono and green bow rather than the beige kimono and yellow bow the article currently describes.

TheDarknesse (talk) 08:34, July 13, 2016 (UTC)TheDarknesse

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