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hand to hand combantant

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I think she's shown some skills in close combat during Naval battle when she teleported Lucy in front of her attack in order to kick her. What is you opinion about this? User:Domynyk 19:38, Aug 18, 2012, (UTC)

eh, let's wait till she displays a bit more --FirePit (talk) 18:30, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Too early to admit it. Herme 00:57,8/19/2012

Immense Magic Power

With the latest chapter released, I think we should add this ability to her and to Kagura. Being the strongest mage of Sabertooth surpassing the 2 Dragon Slayers will easily put her into a title S-Class which will normally require vast magic power. Also when she performed the Yagdo Rigora (?) spell, it looks like she destroyed almost 3/16 of the city without noticeable pant or slouch that can be seen from her body. Anybody agrees? —This unsigned comment was made by 124.107.103.53 (talk • contribs) .

Speculation. She was never stated to be the strongest, just stronger than Sting and Rogue. She has never been stated to be S-Class. The size of the destruction when compared to the entire city is unknown. RelikzTalk 18:33, December 21, 2012 (UTC)

Okay I'll forfeit the S-Class thingy but. It is stated in Chapter 312 she's the strongest with her father defeated which can be seen on the previous chapters:"We don't need loserd according to your logic" whuch in turn Sting became a candidate. Lalalalala. wll that gives justice that she's the strongest, right? And as for the magic power, a mage will require vast power to injure 2 S-Class mages with that one hit blow.

Quotes

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Minerva doesn't have a main quotes yet. So, I would like to propose a few quotes for her.

To Erza Scarlet at chapter 292.
"You should be thanking me that I made her second place. That useless piece of trash girl."
To Jiemma at chapter 307.
"Shut your mouth. Losers have no say. Have the decency to obey your own rules."
To Sting Eucliffe at chapter 307.
"This apple may have fallen far from the tree. But I do agree with his stance that Sabertooth be viewed as the best guild."
To Sting Eucliffe at chapter 307.
"Show everyone the new power you've wrought, and with it the victory we so rightly deserve. I advise you not to cross me. Remember that Lector's life rests in my hands."

Personally I Support - the second one. Messithemesser (talk) 11:49, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Support - #2 Miskos3 Message 11:50, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Support - #1 or #2. Natsumi ^Talk! 15:18,11/26/2012

Support - #3. Quotes should be to show the personality of the character and I think #3 does this best. Ultraprime2Let's talk 15:21, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Support - #2. ^^ Mint aro~ ♥ 16:37,11/26/2012

Support - #2 :Umnei:

Neutral - If we're going to follow what is written in her Personality section, #1 should be added... Not really liking it though... 21:17, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Support - #1, 2 or 3. Whichever gets the most votes. Though just like Tut said, #1 would be perfect for what is written in her personality section, but I don't like the sound of it either :/.Me ga 23:48, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

#2 - is the best one RelikzTalk 00:22, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

Support - #3. Quote 3 is good, it suits her personality. Rifatmfarid Talk 09:45, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

Support - #2 KurokamiZeroTalk? 09:55, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

Support - #1 ..::ShinShinTo::.10:32,11/27/2012

Magic name

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I know that at this point we don't have anything solid regarding her magic name, neither how it works precisely, but I don't think that calling it "Yakuma Magic" is the best option

By seeing here http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/83389009/16 (correct me if there is any mistranslation), Mavis mention "Yakuma's spell of the Eighteen Combat Gods". Well, judging by the use of a possessive, it can be implied that the magic is actually called "Eighteen Combat Gods" and was used by a famous individual called "Yakuma", probably someone from Mavis' time as a living person. It's also interesting that the entity summoned represents well a "battle god". I also saw it being called Eighteen Gods of Battle on other translations, so Chaos can come with a proper translation to use here.

Before anyone says that this is just speculation, calling it "Yakuma magic" also is, because this is just a different interpretation from Mavis' words. What I am proposing is a more reasonable interpretation, while we don't have precise information. We don't know when we will have more information, considering that the story may change its focus to Future Lucy's knowledge on next chapter.

Tell me what you guys think, thanks for the attention. Martios (talk) 21:26, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Support!!! I always hated the name Yakuma Magic! CHANGE! CHANGE! CHANGE! CHANGE! CHANGE! CHANGE! CHANGE! CHANGE! CHANGE! CHANGE! CHANGE! CHANGE! CHANGE! CHANGE! - RelikzTalk 21:59, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Hmmm... About this Yakuma case... Sanni Yakuma is a form of exorcism that includes 18 different dances to call one of the 18 demons and help the patient in some disease. It is based on a Buddhism but comes from Sri Lanka not Japan.

Still In my opinion, we should wait for a proper translation, Chaos would be a good source of it, but I'm not sure it has a time for it. Ishthak says 22:51, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with translation. "Yakuma" was written in Katakana so there isn't any other possible translation for the name. The "Eighteen God's of Battle" part may be wrongly translated but that doesn't change the reason of the discussion Relikz

Talk 23:43, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

You didn't understand me Reli - I'm not waiting for Yakuma translation I already know it, I wanna wait for someone who will put Yakuma and "18 Gods" together or separate - is this a full name as Martios mention below or this is a only a name of one spell and the magic name is "18 Combat Gods" -_-'. Ishthak

says 14:25, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Interesting, there is also a possibility that the magic name could be the whole sentence: "Yakuma's Magic of the Eighteen Combat Gods", though this would be long and weird. Martios (talk) 00:53, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

We haven't really make the Magic page because there has been no official or sensible name yet.. That name is probably so that it would be a lot easier to mention in a discussion rather than saying Minerva's Magic. -_- Talk^toDdraig22:56,1/2/2013

Both options aren't official, but I'm proposing a more reasonable temporary one. Because calling it "Yakuma's Magic" seems odd to me. Martios (talk) 00:53, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Support - agreed with reli Animaltamer⁷

I would just keep it as Yakuma Magic for now, like Ishy and Ddraig said, it's easier to mention. Plus, the next chapter is like a few days away, so I'm sure we will get more info
.:Umy:. 09:25, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think it is Yakuma Magic either. Yakuma is the name of the one who developed it(or was just said to make it seem more badass, like the random chanting during Urano Metria). The most appropriate name is probably dimension magic (trapping Lector in another dimension, summong gods from other dimensions). However, there are no other good options unless we get a 100% valid translation of the spell Minerva used, or the nature of Minerva's magic is confirmed in the manga, so I suggest leaving it like this for now. Raven~~(S)~~talk20:31,1/3/2013

Well, since Minerva ran away, it will take some chapters until we can see her Magic in action again, unless she decides to battle someone else meanwhile. Martios (talk) 15:35, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Ok so here is the correct translation from Chaos

“	Yakuma's 18 Battle/Combat/Fighting God Magic. Take your pick between the three. Personally, I'd call them War God even though it's much less common to see 闘 translated as war.	”
—ChaosKnight

and I Support - War God Magic :P RelikzTalk 20:07, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Full name would be Yakuma's 18 War God Magic, and like Hades, it's probably only one of Minerva's magic... Chaos Knight 20:15, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Are you sure that the whole thing is the full name? Because it sounds to me like "Yakuma" is the name of a person who used it before since it's in katakana and the 18 War God Magic part is the actual name. Relikz

Talk 20:51, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Not necessarily, imo. "Yakuma" can be the place, or even the religion from where the 18 Gods came from. I

Support - War God Magic, seems the most correct one. Herme 00:45,1/13/2013

Support - Agrees with dad :P 12 Jan 2013, 5:02

War God Magic - I like the sound of it.Me ga 21:12, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

War God Magic - I'm still very confused as to what to name her Magic, since all of the spells we have seen from her have a wide range of effects, and it seems Chaos' translation is the best we can get from it, plus Chao's own preference towards War God Magic would incline me to support it. If it weren't for that, I wouldn't have a vote.
.:Umy:. 21:28, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

War God Magic - Sounds proper in my opinion. Ishthak says 15:06, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

War God Magic - Much better Gildarts Clive 17:48, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Quote, again...

Okay... so I finally had time to go through some of the raws that I have in possession (Finally!!!) , and the quote Minerva has on the top is a pretty bad mistranslation... What it really said based on the raw should be:

You're better off staying quiet. Based on your logic, we don't need losers, right?

In short, we have to either change the quote to this one, or find another quote that fits her character. Which one do you guy suggest? Chaos Knight 03:41, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

I think it should be changed as it doesn't portray her bitchyness. I propose:

“	Try and desperately claw your way back up to the top of the food chain. I'll make sure your delusions of grandeur end here.	”
—Minerva, Threesomes

RelikzTalk 04:34, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

I never liked the one we had up either, though I'm not hung on that one Leli because it's very context-based, if you get what I mean... I think something like

“	Pulling the strings and making others move to your whim... That is what defines a King.	”
—Minerva, Champion's Scenario

is a little more broad and applies more to her view of the world and herself. But that's just my opinion :/ I don't really care any way though ( .__.)

☆°・*CarrotSays...*・°☆ 04:44, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

I'll be getting the raw of Chapter 313 soon. I'll take a look if there's more mistranslations before we vote for anything. Chaos Knight 04:50, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, the one proposed by Reli's goes like this:

In order to prove my guild is the strongest, I shall show them by taking care of people like yourselves all at once.

And the one proposed by Carrot goes like:

Moving the pieces according to your strategy... that is what a king is.

Chaos Knight 05:39, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Ok the correct translation of mine doesn't sound as good now. I vote for Carrot's RelikzTalk 14:51, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

So are there any other suggestion for Minerva's quote? If not, we'll start the voting process soon. Chaos Knight 15:06, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

Out with the old, or change the old

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So by now most of you guys know that Minerva's current quote is a mistranslation, so we had a bit of discussion, and we came up with 2 options, update the quote, or change it to another one.

The Updated version:

“	You're better off staying quiet. According to your logic, we don't need losers, right?	”
—Minerva to Jiemma, Garou Knights

The new suggestion:

“	Manipulating the pieces according to your strategy... That is what defines a King.	”
—Minerva to Erza, Champion's Scenario

So which one do you guys choose? Chaos Knight 17:56, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Support - The new suggestion. MiraMajin Talk! 20:26,1/15/2013

Support - New quote. :P Me ga 20:39, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Support - New quote of course RelikzTalk 21:15, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Support - New quote. The old one doesnt sound like Minerva anymore. Martios (talk) 23:26, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Support - New quote :) .:Umy:. 07:15, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Support - New quote because everyone is voting for it >_> Glenn Chu 07:24, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Support - New Quote since it suits her personality. KurokamiZeroTalk? 11:11, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Support - greed with glenn Animaltamer⁷

Magic properties

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As we could see in the latest chapter, Minerva caused damage on Milliana. I mean she's scratched her to that point where Milliana became incapacitated. Therefore, I think we should add that Minerva's magic has some cutting properties. However, it can also happened she harmed her with a sword, but I don't really think so, since Milliana was in Minerva's dimension, thus she couldn't escape. User:Domynyk 20.34, Jan 26, 2013, (UTC)

Since we didn't see how exactly Millianna got these injuries, I believe that claiming that it was done by Minerva's magic would be a speculation and thus it shouldn't be allowed to be put in the article. Correct me if I'm wrong. Miskos3 Message 19:39, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

You're not wrong, Miskos. Since we don't know how the injuries were inflicted, we can't say that it was Minerva's Magic. For all we know, she had a knife with which she did it. Until we are told in some manner, adding that Minerva's Magic has cutting properties would be speculation.
Ultraprime2Let's talk 08:39, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Inferior to Orga?

In the Magic & Abilities section it says that Minerva is inferior to Orga in terms of magical power. How can that be?? she was stated to be the strongest in Sabertooth by Rufus in chapter 312. How can she be stronger than Orga if she is weaker than him in terms of magical power? Orga scored 3,825 in MPF. So does that mean she would get a lower score if she was participating instead? ---- User Talk: Lidor 14:21, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Rufus did say she was Sabertooth's strongest but when it comes to being the strongest, there's more to it than just Magical power. Frosch and Lector both said that when it came to power, Orga was at the top. It's entirely possible for Orga to be stronger in terms of Magical power but for Minerva to still be the strongest Mage of the guild, especially when you take into account other factors that make a person "strong". Ultraprime2Let's talk 14:31, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

blocker spell

minerva can block or negate the spell directed to her, should that "blocker spell" is added on her spell?
--Monterico (talk) 08:18, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

We don't know a lot about her Magic or what is does exactly, so lets hold on spells for now RelikzTalk 00:13, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

aye sir --Monterico (talk) 00:31, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

Should we change the name of War God Magic to Spacial Magic?

Apparently Minerva calls it Spacial Magic in chapter 321. What are everyone else's thoughts? --FTB UltearM (talk) 10:55, March 1, 2013 (UTC)

She called it Territory. I think we should wait for Chaos to get the raws.
Me ga 11:41, March 1, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Omega :) Erik^TheCat Boy 11:51, March 1, 2013 (UTC)

I think FTB specifically meant this: http://i995.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/321/fairy-tail-3952071.jpg lol and yes, Mega's right
.:Umy:. 11:53, March 1, 2013 (UTC)

Good call. --FTB UltearM (talk) 11:54, March 1, 2013 (UTC)

Click for MS translation. Are they perhaps stalking this wiki? xD Miskos3 Message 14:22, March 1, 2013 (UTC)

Wouldn't surprise me Misk, given what happened with Weisslogia's name. As to changing the name of this Magic, I'd rather wait for Chaos to get the raws and have a say on the matter before we hastily jump into anything. Ultraprime2Let's talk 14:25, March 1, 2013 (UTC)

I agree. There's conflicting translations, so it's best if we just wait for Chaos.
Wrath-kun 16:13,3/1/2013 16:13, March 1, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe there's two different types of magic she uses, one is War God Magic which involves summoning/conjuring giants out of thin air... and another is "spacial" magic which ultilizes the space around the area? 49.176.1.118 14:38, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

A possibility, considering the versatility of her magic that was displayed so far. Martios (talk) 22:02, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

Minervas Magic Language

As of the newest chapter, I'm confused on whether Ih Ragras, Lo Houseto and Lo Housetia are even considered spells now. Tbh, they seem like some sort of gibberish language that relates to her magic. --FTB UltearM (talk) 10:20, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Nope, those are not spells. They are just words in a language that she speaks RelikzTalk 20:17, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Does that mean we should remove Ih Ragras from her magic? --FTB UltearM (talk) 02:14, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

I wouldn't take away Ih Ralgas from her page. It also starts with "Ih" like her other spell, Ih Ragdo. Additionally, in the raw, Ih Ralgas isn't written in English like her incantations, but rather, in katakana, like her other War God Magic Spells. Just to show, here's the raw for Ih Ralgas, and here's the raw for her incantations.

Wrath-kun

02:40,3/9/2013 02:40, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

Links don't work for me :P Relikz

Talk 03:53, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

Son of a bitch. >_<" Fucking links don't work for me either. They did when I posted them. Sigh...Well, there's not much I can do, as I can't post the links. I personally stand by Ih Ralgas being a spell, as she was rearing for an attack, and it follows, like I said, the "Ih" format of her other spell, Ih Ragdo. But whatever. Just do what you see fit Reli. :P

Wrath-kun

04:36,3/9/2013 04:36, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

I'm as unsure as everyone else :[ Relikz

Talk 04:50, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

We seem to have come to a standstill. I guess if we're all confused, then maybe just leave it alone? I'm sure we haven't seen the last of Minerva. She might try it again, and we'll find out for sure if she does. After all, 10,000 Dragons! ^^ She might try to show everyone that Saber's still the "strongest" ~~like hell they are~~. :P

Wrath-kun

04:57,3/9/2013 04:57, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

I guess that would be best Relikz

Talk 05:07, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

Well, I personally believe that those are her spells. I mean, since she first appeared, she was speaking fine, not until we saw her first battle where she used Ih Ragdo and Yagdo Rigora, then followed by Ih Ralgas - Just what the heck of language she's using? So, with that new Lo Houseto and Lo Housetia, if these two aren't spells, then what the heck is that supposed to mean? I won't believe that these are her expression, or it's a variety of alien language she's saying to call for back up, in hopes to aid her in defeating Erza in battle. Do you get my point? Well, hopefully. FML. I really think I have to go back in being grade 1 and study the basics.
/// c h o k o ^★ /// m e s s a g e ^★ /// s t a m p : ^★ /// 05:07, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

When Minerva said Lo Houseto and Lo Housetia, nothing happened, so they couldn't have been spells. Relikz

Talk 05:24, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

Haru-kun, they were most likely incantations. Wouldn't be the first time.

Wrath-kun

05:34,3/9/2013 05:34, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, so I take it back, what my love just ~~really likes using alien language~~ said are statements. She used Ih Ragdo after L.Hto (How Patethic) and L.Htia (Absolutely Patethic), and like what Rauleli-san said, nothing happened, so again, FML for voicing out what I said. KDie, Choko. ( ._.)
/// c h o k o ^★ /// m e s s a g e ^★ /// s t a m p : ^★ /// 05:43, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

Hair Color

Alright well I believe we have had a discussion with her hair before, and my choice was Purple since that's all the color we had to go by at the time (Other choice was Black). However, just recently, Vol 37's cover has been released, and Minerva's hair is black in the anime anyways. I actually tend to favor volume cover artwork over the manga's color pages. Anyways what do you all think? :P
.:Umy:. 12:48, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

Black, since in the anime she has it black, too.
Mega ♦ Talk 12:52, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

Neutral - I could care less, really. I mean, it was blatantly purple, but now it's blatantly black. Maybe he changed it so there wouldn't be any inconsistencies with the anime. *shrugs* Meh, do what you guys do. ( ._.)~
WrathZero12:53,4/11/2013

He tends to use different colors alot with his color pages, and he uses those manga markers for the weekly chapters. However, I feel like the volume covers take more time and decision so he contemplates the artwork as opposed to.. you know, weekly. Support - Black.
.:Umy:. 12:55, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

Will Support - Black. I have since believed it was black even before I registered here (and even edited the hair color as an annon), so it has to be black! Ah ~ Me love ~
✪ User Page ✪ User Talk ✪ 12:55, 4/11/2013

Undecided - Well the anime version isn't black. It's more of a teal color. And that basically gives us 3 possible options. Since the teal color scheme is anime only, we can kinda rule that out. I'd say that we keep it as whatever it is for the moment before we make any rash decisions. ToshiroFanGirl 12:59, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

Support - Um...so Minerva-sama's hair is definitely NOT teal in the anime. It's black. So in order to avoid confusion with all of our anime images, I think it would be best to be consistent and go with black.-- Suzaku 鈴の朱雀 17:28, April 11, 2013 (UTC)