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Good Day, User:AstonishingSpiderMan brought up the idea of replacing the current wiki chat with the fairy tail discord used by the fairy tail reddit. I will be posting the things we have discussed below and I am hoping veteran fairy tail wiki editors would chime in since it would be very suspicious if there would be a surge of new users responding to this thread out of nowhere.
Here is what we have talked about:
So from the moment I got into Fairy Tail; I wanted to have most if not all avenues that discuss the series connected with one another. This does not mean I would run every avenue or that I wanted control over all of them, the opposite I wanted each avenue to be its own thing but be interconnected like the guild. No matter where you chat to know that you'd be welcomed in the other forums and appreciated. I wanted the passion of Mashima to be shared by all that's why SorcererWeekly (the site to find the spin off and the sequel) is a thing and why discord became a thing. Simply put, I want there to be a hub for all things Mashima and all things EZ and FT. With a decent following on Discord and on Reddit we want to continue to grow and incorporate more of the fandom and different parts of the fandom. The wikia has always been one place I wanted to incorporate more but with some resentment from godisme2 and myself there was never a real opportunity, I want us to get past that so we can make these places active. Now, what will the Wikia gain out of this on Discord:
1. There will be an official discord for it ----> https://discord.gg/fairytail where you'll be able to discuss the newest releases, have a section of your own (more on this later), and be able to instantly communicate with others in the fandom to help grow and improve what you would want to.
2. Discord is basically instant chat with channels and categories (sections), I apologize if you knew this already. On the discord you and your staff will have:
a. Dedicated Server Roles (FT Wikia Admin) b. Dedicated Channels (help discuss among yourselves any changes or updates you wish to make to the ft wikia pages) c. Will have access to new user base that could help with the wikia and continue the hard work the users and admin do in ft wikia.
Now, I am sure you are wondering okay but who are you? Well I run the Fairy Tail and Edens Zero reddit pages. Founded and run SorcererWeekly. I'm a huge fan and advocate for Mashima and the series he provides us. Above all that I'm just a guy who wants to have Mashima's fandom all connected. AstonishingSpiderMan (talk) 17:04, February 7, 2020 (UTC)
I get what you are saying about having all things be connected with each other and i appreciate it. As for the having an official discord where we'll be able to discuss the newest releases, have a section of our own, and be able to instantly communicate with others in the fandom to help grow and improve what the wiki would want to is promising. But i would like to share my thoughts about it too.
The reason why this wiki did not incorporate an official discord to replace the wiki chat is due to the lack of active fairy tail wiki members that can take on the responsibility to moderate the said discord. Since the main series have ended a lot of active and veteran users moved on and prioritized with other things such as real life responsibilities, those users who are still active here are for the most part are juggling their personal time while also helping out the wiki as much as they can.
If a discord is going to be connected to the wiki its very likely that due to limited active members that there might be no one who can manage the discord that can represent the wiki. On a personal note i personally dont want to oversee a discord since im already overseeing the wiki and its discussions forum and seeing that the other members of the wiki not as active as before its likely that the others will also not be able to do the same especially since personal responsibilities will also take up a lot of their time.
You've mentioned about dedicated channels which will help us discuss among ourselves on any changes or updates we wish to make to the ft wikia pages. That works too but for a very long time the wiki is set up to have the wiki talk pages be the place where users can discuss fairy tail related concerns and changes for the sake of consistency and documentation, future editors can also look back at it as reference or if a clarification is needed. Let's say a discussion was made in the discord and majority of the participants agreed to something without the wiki's knowledge does that mean what the people in discord decided upon will be implemented? and i am not sure but can you look back on past discussions in the discord that took place months or years ago? Coz in my experience being able to see past discussions about something helped people understand why certain things are the way they are in the wiki especially when there are some people who insist doing their own thing or what they see is right while ignoring what the wiki decided upon as well as its format and rules.
Right now lets say you want to talk about Juvia's page then her talkpage is the main place to do it and nowhere else, if people stopped using the talkpage over the discord then i feel like there will be confusion since such changes was mainly discussed in the discord. I fear is that since most people will favor using the discord then its possible that it will now decide on what will happen to the wiki ignoring the wiki's established policies, rules and format akin to the discord taking over the fairy tail wiki.
You also mentioned that through the discord the wiki will have access to new user base that could help with the wikia and continue the hard work the users and admin do in ft wikia. That is also promising. I do visit the fairy tail reddit from time to time and i know there are people who complains about the fairy tail wiki, I also understand their complaints such as having incomplete summaries and so on.
Based on my experience whenever a new user joins the wiki to edit there is only two outcome first is that they might make an edit that does not follow the wiki's format and policies but after informing them about our format and policies as well as encouraging them to finalize their drafts on their own page to get the used to editing here, they are able to adapt and become good contributors but those kinds of people come and go since the wiki is run by unpaid volunteers afterall, the second is that a person might edit the wiki and insist in doing it their way, ignoring the wiki's format and policies or doing it in a very subjective manner especially if it concerns their favorite characters. Some even make big changes by themselves because they've decided on their own that what they are doing is what must happen without even discussing it with everyone. So in the end people might want to edit but majority of them doesnt want to follow the wiki's format and policies. Similar to the fairy tail reddit's very own wiki having its own guidelines this wiki also have things being implemented for the sake of consistency and uniformity and unfortunately a lot of people tend to ignore it resulting in edit warring and eventually being banned.
What do you think?01:41, February 8, 2020 (UTC)
Sorry for the very delayed response, real life responsibilities have kept me occupied the last few days. Going back to your response, some of these reservations I understand and others I do not. In particular, the one about moderating the Discord. I think there was some misunderstanding because I wouldn't be asking you to moderate the discord, I would simply partner with it. If your staff would like to apply as moderators, they would be able to, however the discord has its own moderation. None of the reddit moderators mod the discord and vice versa. Additionally, the wikia changes that would occur to the pages in your hypothetical would simply be introduced and discussed in the server but ultimately the final decision would be made in the Wikia. The purpose of the partnership is not to make one or the other obsolete but rather help each thrive and continue to grow.
You also made mention that the wiki has a limited number of active members, but linking the discord to the wiki could bring back a sense of active community to the wiki and could bring more activity to the wiki itself, through new users and perhaps even old users returning. A lot of other wikis use discord to communicate and it could help to kickstart the wiki back into greater action. Not to mention that some wikia members are already in this server, which will help increase discussion amongst everyone and create a healthy, thriving environment.
Ultimately like I said, I want to unite discord, reddit, and the ft wikia together where the fandom could coexist and prosper and thrive with our love for Fairy Tail. Each fandom would see an increase in user base and interest because of the other 2 communities. I hope this helps clear some of your reservations. AstonishingSpiderMan (talk) 23:46, February 10, 2020 (UTC)
No problem with the delayed response, everyone have their own real life responsibilities anyway so i understand. As for moderating the discord thanks for the the clarification that we won't be moderating it unless a wiki staff would applied to it. I also like the idea that people can discuss things in the discord but the final documented discussion and voting will still be done in the wiki's talk pages. I also agree and hopeful about having the sense of an active community into the wiki that the discord could bring. Let's say we're finally on board with what you are proposing, how would it be implemented?00:55, February 11, 2020 (UTC)
> Let's say we're finally on board with what you are proposing, how would it be implemented?
Well you would incorporate it to the widgets, essentially where the current chat box of the wikia is, I would of course give you the code to put and from there I would work on stuff from the discord end. Additionally you could also tweet it via the FT Wikia twitter so your audience is aware of it as well. The code itself is
<iframe src="https://discordapp.com/widget?id=176028172729450497&theme=dark" width="350" height="500" allowtransparency="true" frameborder="0"></iframe>
as far as discord aspect of it I would work on roles, channels, a category to fully incorporate the wikia community, and an announcement for the entire server so they also know about this partnership. AstonishingSpiderMan (talk) 18:51, February 11, 2020 (UTC)
- Just chiming in from the Twitter side. I'll be ready to promote whenever you guys get the foundations set up.
Ok I get what you're saying but before anything happens I believe it would be best if I post these in the fairy tail wiki talk page for the sake of formality & documentation as well as opening the discussion for everyone in the wiki to see and chime in. Maybe we can wait for a week and if everything goes well after a week then we can officially move forward with it. I believe that is acceptable correct?00:04, February 12, 2020 (UTC)
Btw I would like to add that the Edens Zero wiki was created by the editors from this wiki and if i remember correctly the fairy tail editors also made the edens zero discord that is currently used in the edens zero wiki which can be seen here. So as an alternative for merging the reddit discord into this wiki we could integrate the edens zero discord used in the edens zero wiki and making it into a fairy tail and edens zero discord too.
What do you guys think?15:08, February 12, 2020 (UTC)
In terms of the EZ discord, i checked it out and it is inactive whereas the reddit discord is very active and has a large audience, so im not sure how much it'll benefit the wiki if we merged EZwiki discord instead of the reddit one. Michelle Hyena (talk) 20:01, February 12, 2020 (UTC)
I have doubts about how active I'd be, if at all, but I have no issue with adding a Fairy Tail Wiki aspect to the Fairy Tail discord. Disabling the wiki chat seems a little necessary though.
As far as Eden's Zero goes, I don't read it or know what is going on on the wiki, so I'd hold off on making decisions without consulting the active editors there (not sure if anyone already has).
I'm fine with this.11:07, February 13, 2020 (UTC)
If I'm, uh, needed to do something, let me know. Also, discord is cool, way more features than wiki chat, so just with that in mind, I'm all for discord.16:49, February 13, 2020 (UTC)
feel free, idc--10:47, February 16, 2020 (UTC)
I believe there will be a designated place to talk within the discord once its implemented so that the discord will be a place where people can hangout and talk about fairy tail but major changes such as voting or discussing wiki related changes will still be in the wiki talk pages for the sake of consistency, formality and documentation.00:39, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
There will be 2 roles one for the admin of the staff, and one for the wikia members. As far as the channels and category there will be a special section for the wikia members where you could discuss changes to the wikia which you then bring over here, and then there will be your typical ft wikia gen chat along with the general chat for everyone. Once we get this partnership going everything will be set up accordingly. Hope this clarifies things.