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| − | Use this page to discuss design and content changes to the '''[[Main Page]]'''. For general wiki discussion, please visit the '''[[Project:Community Portal|Community Portal]]'''. |
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| + | ==Removal of the Reddit Discord== |
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| + | I'm writing this as a form of formality and documentation on the removal of the fairy tail reddit discord from the fairy tail wiki. Based on recent events, We are now ending our affiliation with the Fairy Tail reddit discord due to events brought up by [[User:Miskos3]] as quoted below. |
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| + | "Hello, so there has been a bit of, um, situation with the whole affiliation thing to the FT reddit and their discord. Basically, Michelle became a moderator in that discord, but ended up being constantly bullied by the rest of their staff and/or other people. Because of that, she decided to leave that server. Since as far as I'm concerned, I considered her as sort of a FT wiki representative in this whole affiliation thing, and in any kind of partnership, it looks quite bad to treat a person you're dealing with in such a manner." |
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| − | == '''Notice''': Expand this Artcile/Project == |
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| + | When the idea of implementing the reddit discord in the fairy tail wiki was proposed by [[User:AstonishingSpiderMan]], they've mentioned these "Ultimately like I said, I want to unite discord, reddit, and the ft wikia together where the fandom could coexist and prosper and thrive with our love for Fairy Tail." |
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| − | As of this date, (April,25,2008), there's 84 ''Fairy Tail'' Chapters, and plenty of imformation about the series, to make a reasonable project, with enough information. Sadly i only see, as of this date, 9 Articles in this ''Wikia''. So, anyone that can contribute to this project, please, add new articles, or update old Articles. Thank you.[[User:Sanji-kun|Sanji-kun]] 02:05, 26 April 2008 (UTC) |
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| + | We believe that the discord staffs and members bullying someone from the fairy tail wiki side does not fit with what was promised to us by [[User:AstonishingSpiderMan]]. This kind of treatment does not support the idea of "unity between reddit, discord and coexistence" As admins we have taken an executive decision to terminate the said partnership. {{User:LightningGeist/Sig1}} 11:18, June 6, 2020 (UTC) |
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| + | A shame that this happened, any word from AstonishingSpiderMan about this?{{User: Animaltamer7/Sig13a}}11:29, June 6, 2020 (UTC) |
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| − | Watch out for vandals. I corrected all the names. [[User:Drunk Samurai|Drunk Samurai]] 20:09, 24 December 2008 (UTC) |
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| + | None so far, but given that the people from the fairy tail wiki are already in the minority within the discord its very likely that the majority of users will stick with their fellow reddit discord members. Bullying a moderator to the point of them leaving the discord server already means that bullying is agreed upon by a lot of users and such thing were allowed to happen by the rest of the discord. Even if the bullying was denounced by [[User:AstonishingSpiderMan]] it doesn't change the fact that such thing happened, and it's very unlikely that they can force the discord members to change their ways either. |
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| + | So it's really unfortunate that the situation led to this and promoting a place where such bullying happens is not what we were hoping to accomplish in the said partnership and it is definitely not the place where we would encourage the young and new fans of the series visiting the wiki to be exposed to. {{User:LightningGeist/Sig1}} 12:07, June 6, 2020 (UTC) |
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| − | For the sake of simplicity, and since I was asked to notify everyone if I was making a new article, let's all put the names of the articles we're going to create under this topic. |
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| + | Michelle is lying, I have done nothing but treat everyone with respect. She has admitted to accusing mods of hating her but subsequently admitted to them doing a fair job of moderating. She even made up with a mod she accused of hating her. Additionally, she even stepped down from the server when she was mod because of reasons I did not agree with. Ultimately, I am saddened that this has even happened. We all worked hard to make this partnership happen, I have even been working on incentivicizing users (via gift cards, or other rewards) to edit and help in the wikia but if you wish to remove the affiliation then I respect the decision. I disagree vehemently but it is not my decision to make. I am honestly tired of this from her, she has an issue she then threatens to get the affiliation to be removed, she has to have her way, and it's frustrating. I have been respectful, I have tried doing something for the entire community but I will not be held hostage by her. I worked something out with you. Uncool is still there and still comments and interacts, Davjac who she considers a close friend doesn't agree with the accusation either. The records are there, she wasn't mistreated, she didn't like that there was a change implemented so she cried foul. - Spider-Man |
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| − | I've got Polyushko now! If anyone can find a better picture of her, please let me know... [[User:Baithin|Baithin]] 00:56, 22 May 2009 (UTC) |
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| + | [[User:AstonishingSpiderMan|AstonishingSpiderMan]] ([[User talk:AstonishingSpiderMan|talk]]) 23:57, June 6, 2020 (UTC) |
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| + | I want to start off saying that in no way do users in the discord bully anyone. There is friendly banter yes, but to say we bullied someone into the point of leaving is 100% false. Next, Michelle and I are friends and in no way am I here to talk bad about her or anyone else for that matter. I am here to say yes, there were problems between people in the server, but it was never bullying. People didn't get along all that well sometimes and after some changes were made there were some issues that happened. Again, I am friends with Michelle and all the mods as well. I understand people were unhappy and were having a hard time that is literally just people not getting along all the time. Neither side was bullying the other. I am someone who tends to stay neutral which I will do now but really wanted to give another POV on this issue. I disagree with the statement that she was bullied out of the server 100% again and I do recognize there were issues between users which is bound to happen. The community and server are a good place and people are always having fun for the most part in their discussions and interactions with each other. I don't think it’s fair to punish everyone else revoking the affiliation over something where both parties were at fault for not getting along not bullying. Obviously, you probably don't care about my opinion or pov on the matter, but this is what happened. Not everyone is going to agree or get along all the time and it’s unfair to punish everyone else because of problems a few had with each other. Also, the post makes it seem like we are all bullies and rude which is not the case at all. These people are friends of mine on both sides. [[User:Taillee|Taillee]] ([[User talk:Taillee|talk]]) 01:31, June 7, 2020 (UTC) |
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| − | I'll get started on Bob, as strange as he is... Lol. I could use some help. - Baithin |
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| + | I wasn't going to make a statement because after i left the server that was the end of it for me. but i do want to clear some things up. the issues I had with the server stemmed from a select few individuals, and in no way reflects on the community as a whole. I won't be calling out or naming said individuals because honestly there isn't a need to - i still hold dearly to me many people from the server, a majority of which are part of the staff. the term bullying is not the most appropriate word for the conflicts that had occurred as i am not someone who is without fault. Nor was it a manner of outright harassment either. |
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| + | However, i was not respected there, myself as well as many other people from the server have voiced the same opinions and thoughts. I was treated in a hurtful manner by people i considered friends to me or people who i had tried to make amends with. |
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| − | Could we get a Categories page with all the different Categories listed? [[User:Baithin|Baithin]] 20:45, 11 June 2009 (UTC) |
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| + | if there is one thing i pride myself on, it is that i am a genuine person, it may appear as though i love to create drama but it is rather that i am someone who is not easily pushed around and i will always stand up for myself when i'm being treated poorly. I think a lot of people from the wiki could agree with that, as well as people from the server. Leaving the server was not a decision i took lightly and it is one i had sat on for a while and it is one that i didn't want to make, but ultimately i felt extremely uncomfortable remaining in a place where i felt nothing but hostility. |
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| − | That's a redundant idea, to be honest. Categories aren't that important, besides we don't have that many at the moment. Maybe when we have enough that it would be logical to have such a page. [[User:Dalyup!|Dalyup!]] 01:16, 12 June 2009 (UTC) |
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| + | that's all i'm going to say on the matter because i have no need to drag this on any further, the decision to remove the affiliation was not a decision made or pushed solely by myself but was discussed by the admins themselves. |
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| − | Well, they're a nice way to organize everybody. You can look in one place to find out who's a villain, who's a hero, who's a member of what guild, who USED to be a villain, etc etc. It'd definitely be helpful. Who knows how many category pages have actually been created so far? [[User:Baithin|Baithin]] 01:40, 12 June 2009 (UTC) |
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| + | [[User:Michelle Hyena|Michelle Hyena]] ([[User talk:Michelle Hyena|talk]]) 02:10, June 7, 2020 (UTC) |
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| − | I believe there's around eight. I guess there's no harm in doing it. [[User:Dalyup!|Dalyup!]] 09:14, 12 June 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | I vote for using the more popular names instead of the English manga. [[User:Drunk Samurai|Drunk Samurai]] 02:02, 14 June 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :I vote for using the official names. Not only were they chosen and created by Hiro Mashima, the creator himself, but the "more popular names" were guesses made by just one random person. -[[User:Mr. Toto|Mr. Toto]] 02:37, 14 June 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | ::If by "official names" you mean Gerhardt, then I vote against that. I prefer Jeral or Gerard. - Baithin |
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| − | :Not all official names will be 'Gerhardt', some will be Natsu 'Dragneel' and the such. I vote for the official names. [[User:Dalyup!|Dalyup!]] 13:15, 14 June 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | ::Gerhardt was my mistake--it won't happen again. But please, let the vote continue on.-[[User:Mr. Toto|Mr. Toto]] 16:30, 17 June 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :I vote Gerard, Erza (instead of Elza), Gazille, and Lluvia. I don't know if these are the "official" names, but I prefer the latter two over "Gajeel" and Jubia. Also, did it occur to anyone that Blaine could really be "Brain"? I remember reading a sidenote in the manga about the translator expressing confusion over his name and only going with Blaine because Brain "sounded weird." However, Brain seems to fit with the rest of the names of the Oracion Seis - they all seem to be codenames, which was confirmed partially with Racer. - Baithin |
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| − | We're not voting for particular names. We are voting for using English manga names for all of them or the more commonly known for all of them. Mystogan and Dragoneel are the worst out of the English manga ones. Mist Gun and Dragonil are much better. Gazille is also definitely better than Gajeel too. [[User:Drunk Samurai|Drunk Samurai]] 08:11, 18 June 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Well i vote for the translated names, but that what redirection pages are for -Umi |
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| − | I wasn't entirely sure what the English manga names are. I definitely hate "Mystogan." I disagree with some, but not all, of the english manga names. - Baithin |
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| − | When you say translated names do you mean Del Rey or scanlation? [[User:Drunk Samurai|Drunk Samurai]] 22:54, 18 June 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :We can't just be selective and choose the names based on what fans think sound better. Regardless, these are the names Mashima chose for his characters. In the newest omake, which you can read [http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fairy_tail/c139.5/1.html here], both Gajeel and Juvia's names are spelled out in English the same way they are in Del Rey's version. It's not like they're lying about getting the official names from him. -[[User:Mr. Toto|Mr. Toto]] 15:11, 22 June 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | ::In that link you gave, the names are spelled "Lluvia" and "Gazille"... Isn't that what we've been arguing this whole time? x.x - Baithin |
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| − | :::Check the actual artwork. Juvia's ride is specifically written "Juvia Slider" in plain English. Her name is then drawn right next to her. Same with Gajeel. In fact, here's the RAW pages so you can see how it was in Japanese. [http://mangahelpers.com/s/raw-paradise/readonline/36083/8 These][http://mangahelpers.com/s/raw-paradise/readonline/36083/10 two] are the pages in question. It was the translator who chose to go with "Lluvia" and "Gazille" because, quote, "they suck ass." -[[User:Mr. Toto|Mr. Toto]] 18:51, 23 June 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | So so far it is 3-2? Or what? Baithin and Umibouzu have not been clear on which one they are voting for exactly. Since we can only go with one or the other and not mix and match. [[User:Drunk Samurai|Drunk Samurai]] 02:27, 27 June 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | I'm voting for the more commonly known names. But can't we also just say what other names they have under their page, or on the page [[Name Spellings]]? - Baithin |
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| − | That is what we have been doing. [[User:Drunk Samurai|Drunk Samurai]] 22:24, 27 June 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Then I don't see why we're arguing so much over this. As long as we keep doing that, we're fine, I think. - Baithin |
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| − | :I still don't understand the rationale. The only reason those names are more common is because someone made them up and he dislikes the official romanizations. Heck, Gajeel and Juvia were written as such in the Japanese manga and still nobody uses them? It doesn't make sense. In the case of One Piece, if the protagonist's first name was more commonly romanized by fans as "Rufi" even though his official name was "Luffy," would you still go with the former? -[[User:Mr. Toto|Mr. Toto]] 20:09, 28 June 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | As much as I dislike some of the romanizations like Gajeel and Gerhardt, I'd have to agree with Mr. Toto. Going by what's popular, there's the possibility you'll end up with petty edit wars about page names if popularity of a certain name were split rather evenly, like say... Jubia, Juvia, and Lluvia (ignoring Mashima's romanisation for sake of an example). By making it the consensus to use official names, we get rid of this problem before it starts. - [[User:LionsLight|LionsLight]] 14:33, 2 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Since this argument is going nowhere, can we please wait until the anime comes out in a couple of months? Most likely, they'll pronounce the correct names there. - Baithin |
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| − | :This argument is advancing, and I don't think it's a good idea to wait until Autumn to sort this out. Besides, from what I remember a lot of the names are pronounced the same with the different spellings. Best to sort this out now/soon. [[User:Dalyup!|Dalyup!]] 20:03, 2 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | It looks like it's 3-3 then. [[User:Drunk Samurai|Drunk Samurai]] 22:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | They all direct to the same place, the name doesnt matter, i dont know why trolls keep coming around saying change the names, whats the point? lets focus on the CONTENT rather than what the people are called, if anyone still cares just change it to the kanji and katakana, simplest thing to do -Umi, the problem solver |
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| − | :Seems you don't get our point. We believe the names are important and that the official names should be used which comes from Mashima himself rather than the (now and again) incorrect and fan suggested translations. It's not like this names business stops from adding content either, and, oh, names are content as well. Changing it to kanji or katakana is a bad idea considering this is an English wikia. [[User:Dalyup!|Dalyup!]] 22:24, 3 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | I dont see why we still get worked up over this, try ending the useless flaming, its fine exactly how it is, nothing is WRONG with the names, they all lead to the same place whether there english or translated, but instead of wating time fighting like we are now, just change the names every other month from english to translated, its the same waste of time were having fighting -Umi |
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| − | :Please don't misinterpret me. If I/we were flaming/fighting I/we would be swearing or being constantly sarcastic or whatever. It's a debate. In our opinion this isn't useless nor fine and it should be the official names as far as I'm concerned. If you don't have the same opinion so be it; that's your right, but any other compromise is pointless. Perhaps I'm just not being articulate enough but whatever, I can't help that. [[User:Dalyup!|Dalyup!]] 22:39, 3 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | ::Umi, there really isn't that much of a rush so I don't see how we're wasting time. And I don't think anyone getting particularly worked up about it, either. Anyway, it's more of a case of standardising things and making the Wiki to look a little more professional if we decide on a common set of names to use. Whether to use names officially romanised by Mashima which we may or may not agree with, or to use names scanlators chose which are more prefered, but inconsistent with each scanlation group. [[User:LionsLight|LionsLight]] 07:53, 4 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | It really wouldn't matter how the anime pronounces them. Most people would still prefer the more common names regardless. [[User:Drunk Samurai|Drunk Samurai]] 18:40, 4 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :But the way the anime pronounces them is the way they're ''supposed'' to be said. "Gajeel" has absolutely no "z's" in his name in Japanese--it's literally written "Gajiru." By going by "the most common names," not only is the site listing names translated by a single person due to what he thought sounded coolest, but it will just spread incorrect information. Forget the fact that they're more common--the only reason they are is because random people on the internet chose them. -[[User:Mr. Toto|Mr. Toto]] 00:33, 6 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | I don't care. You're not going to change my vote. This is just a consensus where supporters of keeping more common names is winning. [[User:Drunk Samurai|Drunk Samurai]] 17:59, 6 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :Last time I checked, it was a tie. -[[User:Mr. Toto|Mr. Toto]] 19:41, 6 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Just a note, how the anime pronounces "Gazille" isn't going to solve anything since "ji" substitutes "zi" in Japanese. And I'm going to summarize this tl;dr discussion into two major points for each side. |
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| − | * Some look better than some of the official ones. |
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| − | * Widely recognised. |
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| − | * Official; Mashima himself translated them and can be sourced. |
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| − | * Scanlated names are inconsistent with both scanlation groups and fans themselves. |
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| − | It may just be me, but listed out like this, it only cements my position to use official translations as both points to use scanlated names are subject to personal opinion. :/ [[User:LionsLight|LionsLight]] 16:14, 7 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | -I change my vote, I was being narrow minded before, im fine with you changing it, and Drunk Samurai, you kinda have a "record" of causing flame wars, and i suggest you stop wasting other peoples time with pointless posts, i say we should start working on more articles P.S: Speculation doesnt belong in articles guys![[User:Umibouzu|Umibouzu]] 02:01, 26 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | I suggest you stop being an idiot with claims such as me having a "record" of flame wars. The only pointless post was you posting here and saying that wanting unofficial names is narrow minded. [[User:Drunk Samurai|Drunk Samurai]] 17:54, 26 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Alright calm down kid, but you do ,on One Piece wiki you were reprimanded many times, and i dont see how wanting there to be change is narrowminded, if anything you wanting to keep them that way for no reason is narrowminded and to make sure there's not another flame war again, this is my last post in this topic -Umi |
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| − | :Well now it's 4 to 2. Does anyone else want to have a say in this? Drunk Samurai, let me stress that this is necessary for accuracy's sake. The translator of a series sets the status quo for what characters are known as outside of Japan. However, if official romanizations are given and not adopted, people will go by inaccurate terms until it ''is'' changed. -[[User:Mr. Toto|Mr. Toto]] 19:09, 6 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | I vote for the scanlated names. I found this site randomly when I was bored and searched for Fairy Tail. I came from the Fairy Tail union. |
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| − | :Well now I don't mean to be rude Bonjour, but do you plan to contribute at all? All you've done is pop in and comment you want the scanlated names--you've never even touched the Wiki before. Unless you're planning on regularly editing, I don't think you should get a vote. -[[User:Mr. Toto|Mr. Toto]] 00:21, 7 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Lol. That's coming from somebody who has only changed names on the wikia. So we might as well say your vote doesn't count then. Besides if they were voting for the official names you wouldn't say a thing. [[User:Drunk Samurai|Drunk Samurai]] 02:30, 7 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :I'm very active on the Wikipedia Fairy Tail wiki, and I'd be doing the same thing here. Also, despite your claims, I'd say the same thing to anyone else. BONJOUR, on the other hand, literally just registered yesterday and his only post ''was'' that. -[[User:Mr. Toto|Mr. Toto]] 16:36, 7 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Wikipedia is not wikia. You're only saying that because I called you out on it. [[User:Drunk Samurai|Drunk Samurai]] 18:32, 7 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :Wikipedia may not be Wikia, but that doesn't mean that I can't work on both. I plan to work on this page. BONJOUR hasn't done a thing except come in and state his opinion of a matter that he hadn't been a part of. I might be more inclined to listen if he had been following this from the beginning ''and'' had made a few edits to pages, but this isn't the case. If anyone else had done the same thing, I would have called them out. Don't act like you wouldn't either--especially when you so adamantly oppose official translations by the creator of the series. -[[User:Mr. Toto|Mr. Toto]] 07:06, 8 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Ok seriously. Quit bullshiting. The only edits YOU have made were name changes. So quit with the bullshit lies that you are working on this. Grow up, kid. Actually I ignored it when LionsLight commented originally. If I had I could have easily said something about his vote since that was the only thing he edited. I'm going to be gone for about a week anyway. Who knows if he will come back in that time or even after. [[User:Drunk Samurai|Drunk Samurai]] 07:37, 8 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :Who says name changes aren't important though? And who says I won't work on this afterward? There's no need for any animosity, and I don't understand why you get so angry during every debate on this and other Wikia pages--especially considering that you're wrong most of the time. Calm down. Be civil at the very least; there's no need to act like a child. Contrary to your belief, the internet is not serious business. If BONJOUR becomes an editor, that's fine. But literally, he's only plugged a vote and told us where he came from. There wasn't even a reason as to why he felt this way. -[[User:Mr. Toto|Mr. Toto]] 08:15, 8 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | ::I may be replying a little bit to this incident, but I thought I'd sit back for a few days to see if BONJOUR would do anything else. Considering that he's done nothing for a whole week except that ''one'' edit, I completely agree with Mr. Toto. [[User:Dalyup!|Dalyup!]] 21:50, 13 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | As the most active editor on this wikia, I move in favor of using the OFFICAL translations from the english manga. It doesn't matter, if the other names are more popular and some make more sense like [[Leon Reitei]] being Lyon Reitei ad [[Visca Moulin]] being Bisca. The names in the english manga are the offical translations given by Hiro himself. Wouldn'y you want everyone to be using the correct names of characters in your own series? -[[User Talk: Shock Dragoon|Shock Dragoon]]. |
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| − | Since its 4-2 i think that the english names win,and since there is a noticible absence of people here for the scanlation, i think the matter is solved, i think we need to hold off on Gerhardht until the 9~10 volume when he makes an appearance, otherwise SPECULATION!(and i dont want this to sound mean) -Umi, i came back.... |
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| − | Something I noticed while checking them out: It seems rather redundant if you have articles called [[Fairy Tail Guild]], [[Lamia Scale Guild]], etc. when [[Fairy Tail]] or [[Lamia Scale]] would suffice, since it's obvious what one would be looking for if they searched for it using those titles. |
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| − | Similiarly, you could shorten category names such as [[:Category: Cait Shelter members]], [[:Category: Oracion Seis members]], etc. by removing "members". From experience, I can say that most if not all articles in such categories would be characters affiliated with those guilds. So yeah, I thought I'd ask for your opinions first, since if I indulged in my compulsion, I'd be changing the names of a decent amount of pages.- [[User:LionsLight|LionsLight]] 15:45, 3 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :Makes sense to do so. [[User:Dalyup!|Dalyup!]] 18:13, 3 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :: Just checked, we need [[User:Retro7|Retro7]] to move those, since articles with guild names alone are already redirects. [[User:LionsLight|LionsLight]] 07:53, 4 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | I disagree about the Fairy Tail Guild move. It should be kept at Fairy Tail Guild and the actual Fairy Tail page should be about the manga. [[User:Drunk Samurai|Drunk Samurai]] |
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| − | :Personally, I'd use [[Fairy Tail]] for the guild and [[Fairy Tail (manga)]] for the manga article since we can standardise the Guild articles that way. But if you insist, then I'd suggest [[Fairy Tail (guild)]], [[Fairy Tail (manga)]], and [[Fairy Tail]] as a disambiguation page. Your thoughts? [[User:LionsLight|LionsLight]] 04:01, 5 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Actually I was tired when I wrote that. I meant it should be about both the manga and anime (when it comes out) It could have information about it similarities with other stuff and could list changes between manga and anime. [[User:Drunk Samurai|Drunk Samurai]] 17:04, 5 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :My suggestion remains unchanged. "(manga)" was a generalisation to refer to the actual work. Do you have any thoughts regarding my proposed titles, or do you have any suggestions that you think would organise the articles better? :/ [[User:LionsLight|LionsLight]] 08:22, 6 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | ==So, is it decided?== |
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| − | So, did we elect to go by the offcial translations now? If so we better start cracking on the names before the anime comes out. Also, I say we should come to an offcial agreement by September-1 agreed? [[User: Shock Dragoon]] Aug-22-09. |
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| − | Yah it was decided already -Umi |
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| − | :Huh, people keep doing things before I can (was about to propose the same). There's about 4 active editors in agreement with one in disagreement which is an 80% majority so, in my opinion, yeah, it's decided. Maybe we should start changing the names from September 1st instead? Or sooner. [[User:Dalyup!|Dalyup!]] 21:36, 22 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Correction. 3 active editors. Mr. Toto has ONLY ever changed the names and discussed them on the talk pages. [[User:Drunk Samurai|Drunk Samurai]] 07:43, 23 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :By active, I meant people who still come here on a fairly good basis. Anyway, even if it was 3 instead that would just make it a 75% majority which is enough, imo. [[User:Dalyup!|Dalyup!]] 10:42, 23 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Three things. 1) I missed Shock Dragon's comment earlier about an official agreement. That is just BS. People could sign up and want the scanlation names. There could be a new consensus later on. 2) [http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Name_Spellings] page should have all name spellings in it. Including locations and terms. Such as Garuna Island Vs Galuna Island. 3) The [http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Volumes_and_Chapters] should have both Official and scanlation names for the chapters. Or else a separate page for both. [[User:Drunk Samurai|Drunk Samurai]] 11:07, 23 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Well if it has been decided by majority (and by Hiro in a sense), I'm gonna start changing the names by noon. [[User:Shock Dragoon|Shock Dragoon]] Aug-23-09 7:53am (EST) |
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| − | Heartfilia is NOT the official translation. Heartfilia was only EVER used on a gravestone. Also you conviently ignored my 3 points above. [[User:Drunk Samurai|Drunk Samurai]] 20:06, 23 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :1) That certainly could happen, but I don't think we're going to allow any person who hasn't been active a vote. 2) We could just put the scanlation names there instead, whilst using the official names across the whole site. 3) We can't do that for all of them since Del Ray will always lag behind. We use the official names first, then scanlation names if there's none of the former anyway. Sorry, but I don't even see the point of doing that. |
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| − | :About 'Heartfilia', I'm not too sure about that myself. However, since the Wikipedia page used that and they're going by the official names, and since Mashima has only been (as far as I know) varied with Erza's name, I'll go with it. |
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| − | :The argument's exhausted. We're going with it. [[User:Dalyup!|Dalyup!]] 14:35, 24 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | It doesn't matter if they lag behind. Having both is better than only having one or the other. This is not Wikipedia. It is insulting you would try to compare this wikia to Wikipedia considering all the moronic deletionist Wikipedia has. Heartfilia is NOT the official name. This argument is not exhausted. That's just you trying to end it because you know I'm right. [[User:Drunk Samurai|Drunk Samurai]] 19:13, 24 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :First of all, I still think having both of them is pointless: unnecessary space taken. Secondly, I didn't compare this wikia to Wikipedia; I was using their actions as support for my reasoning since I trust the reasoning of the editors there. I don't see how that's comparison. Your statement about Heartfilia is basically the same as me saying milk is NOT white. Unless you can prove Heartfilia isn't the official name (albeit I need to prove it myself), I'm not going to oppose it. We may continue the argument, as we are doing, but we're changing the names so in a sense it's exhausted, in a sense it's not; so I'm half-wrong, I guess. But I liked your presumption, made me laugh. I believe you're wrong, just for the record. [[User:Dalyup!|Dalyup!]] 19:37, 24 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | I don't care what you think is pointless. Its obvious both are needed to satisfy both types of people who come to this wikia. The editors there are mostly idiots so that's a bad reason to trust them. [[User:Drunk Samurai|Drunk Samurai]] 19:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Your opinion of their idiocy is just that, an opinion. I disagree, and regardless of that, we both disagree. Perhaps we should have a vote, between all of us, whether we should just use Del Ray as an official source for chapter, location names and the such? [[User:Dalyup!|Dalyup!]] 20:35, 24 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Obviously you are going to use Del Rey's names. The point is that chapters and volumes should have both. Every normal wikia does it this way. [[User:Drunk Samurai|Drunk Samurai]] 20:54, 24 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :Actually, I think I've been misunderstanding you (about the chapter names}. My bad: I agree with you now. I'll see to doing that, and making it neat, when I can. I still think we should use Del Ray's location names though; Galuna over Garuna, for example. [[User:Dalyup!|Dalyup!]] 19:30, 25 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Tl;dr: Ass fight of righteousness. [[User:KytaEternal|KytaEternal]] 18:47, 25 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | The current chapter names should remain unchanged regardless of the reason but the English versions added to the page. [[User:Drunk Samurai|Drunk Samurai]] 21:13, 25 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | I had some spare time (read: could be arsed) to learn the wiki markup code and so [[User:Dalyup!/Sandbox|make this table(s)]]. I think I've returned to my previous opinion now (although changed) that we use scantlation names unless Del Ray's chapter names are available, but I digress, that table is there if people agree to its usage. [[User:Dalyup!|Dalyup!]] 19:09, September 20, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | It should be both and the scanlation names should use the names they had originally not Del Rey names since that would be false information. For instance they never used Everlue they used Evaroo. [[User:Drunk Samurai|Drunk Samurai]] 21:57, September 20, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Okay, I geuss everyone has realized my massive overhaul of the Main Page complete with chapter summary, episode summary (whenever it comes) and a monthly "Featured Article" that uses the guild cards. So instead of choosing next month's featured character myself, I decided to put it to a vote: |
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| − | Who do you think it should be? (Team Natsu Characters first) I will be making the article by the last day so hurry with the dissicion please. If no one answers then it is Happy sense he was second to appear. |
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| − | [[User:Shock Dragoon|Shock Dragoon]] Aug-23-09 |
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| − | ==Can I?== |
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| − | Can I use, the err...err. The box that holds all the info on a character? I want to use it for the newly created Fairy Tail Fanon wiki, I created.--[[User:Inferuno Ryuu|Inferuno Ryuu]] 21:19, September 24, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | You can, but do you know how to use it? [[User:Dalyup!|Dalyup!]] 16:29, September 25, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :Nope. I'll copy and paste then edit.--[[User:Inferuno Ryuu|Inferuno Ryuu]] 22:35, September 25, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :Can I use info from your site? I need some character info, for my Fairy Tail Discussion center. |
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| − | I noticed the move log war between Cifer and Drunk Samurai last night wherein Drunk highlighted that, technically, the consensus was only over character names. Indeed, I could also say that technically we only ever said "names", never indicating exactly which kind of name we meant - whether just character or all kinds of names for things. However, that's irrelevant and to get rid of any ambiguity I think we should have a general vote, or another consensus if you will, to simply use Del Ray as an official source of translation for any kind of names and the manga in general. [[User:Dalyup!|Dalyup!]] 20:59, October 14, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | I feel like that is a good idea. I do personally prefer Stellar spirit over celestial, and mage over wizard, but I think we should use the terminology in the Del Rey Volumes to stay consistant with the character names.--[[User:Cifer64|Cifer64]] 21:04, October 14, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | If you prefer the scanlation names then that technically means you would vote for them in the other consensus. You all obviously know what I would vote for. [[User:Drunk Samurai|Drunk Samurai]] 22:36, October 28, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Just because I prefer SOME of the scanlation terms doesn't meen I want them for the wiki. If we are using the Del Rey character names then I would prefer to use terminology as well for consistancy.--[[User:Cifer64|Cifer64]] 22:39, October 28, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | If you say you prefer something then that would mean that is what you want for the wikia also. [[User:Drunk Samurai|Drunk Samurai]] 22:47, October 28, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | You don't get what I am saying. And I changed my opinion since then and I now think both the scanlation and the Del Rey terms are fine, but I'd personally think this wiki should use the Del Rey terminology for consistency, considering the fact that the wiki is using the Del Rey name spellings. --[[User:Cifer64|Cifer64]] 22:58, October 28, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | I should have put why I changed my opinion earlier. The subs use the Del Rey terminology as well, so that is why I changed my opinion.--[[User:Cifer64|Cifer64]] 23:02, October 28, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | I was saying you would choose scanlation names for everything in the old consensus since you said that is what you preferred. Must be some crappy subs if they are using official English spellings. [[User:Drunk Samurai|Drunk Samurai]] 23:13, October 28, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | I don't know why you think I would want the scanlation names but what ever. I don't get why you think I was voting for the scanlation terminology just because I once said I prefered them (which I don't anymore), but I'm not going to try and argue anymore because I'm sick of trying to get your to understand that I voted for the Del Rey terminology, not the scanlation. By the way, the subs I watch are excellent and I don't know how they can be bad if they are using the Mashima confirmed names and spellings.--[[User:Cifer64|Cifer64]] 23:22, October 28, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Fir the love of God enough! We have already agreed to use the official translations so Stellar becomes Celestial. Also, mage and wizard are the same thing so it doesn't really matter so use what ever phrase you want. [[User:Shock Dragoon|Shock Dragoon]] 7:50, Oct-28-09 |
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| − | Mashima confirmed? He has only directly romanized two names. That's it. [[User:Drunk Samurai|Drunk Samurai]] 23:58, October 28, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Yes Drunk Samurai, they are Mashima confirmed. Just because he only romanized a few names doesnt mean he cant tell Del Rey how to spell a character's name in english, jesus, just learn that Mashima wanted the names, so dont use the incorrect ones. -[[User:Chitalian8|Chitalian8]] 15:23, May 9, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | Okay, from what I've been seeing across articles, spell names just follow whatever it's most commonly referred to. While I don't mind that, I do notice that because of this, we're ending up with a reasonable number of the spells written in Japanese, and large portion in English, and in some cases, [[Mystogan#Magic_and_Abilities|certain]] [[Wendy_Marvell#Abilities|pages]] use both interchangeably. So I think some standardisation is in order. |
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| − | I suggest that for these spells, what we should do is translate the names and include the Japanese katakana/kanji and romaji in brackets, much like how character names are done in some articles. So, Karyuu no Houkou would be something along the lines of: |
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| − | Thoughts? [[User:LionsLight|LionsLight]] 08:10, November 27, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :A good idea. I'll start adopting this whenever I edit articles. Although I don't how to write the Japanese for it so I suggest that should be the preferred option but otherwise to have it as English if someone isn't aware how to do it?{{unsigned|Dalyup!}} |
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| − | :I think that should be fine. After all, can't force someone to do something they can't. The only problem I haven't quite thought out is that certain attack names use Kanji but have furigana eg. Gerard's Judgement of the Seven Stars has kanji that reads 'Shichiseiken' but is read as 'Grand Chariot' [[User:LionsLight|LionsLight]] 06:36, November 28, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | All right, we need more pics for the articels everyone, manga and anime style [[User:Shock Dragoon|Shock Dragoon]] 7:00PM (ETZ) Jan-15-10 |
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| − | This should be easy, I constantly take screenshots from anime. I can't get high quality images though… -[[User:WhiteArmor|<span style="color: #B0C4DE;">'''''WhiteArmor'''''</span>]]-[[User talk:WhiteArmor|<span style="font-size:90%; font-family: Didot; color: #B0C4DE">(Talk)</span>]]- 09:29, May 12, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | == Fairy Tail: Portable Guild (PSP) == |
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| − | Anyone know enough of this to make a page on it? [[Special:Contributions/122.110.163.206|122.110.163.206]] 07:29, March 18, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | I know it looks strange because of all the blank space that appears when you edit, but thats the only way this'll work. -[[User:WhiteArmor|<span style="color: #B0C4DE;">'''''WhiteArmor'''''</span>]]-[[User talk:WhiteArmor|<span style="font-size:90%; font-family: Didot; color: #B0C4DE">(Talk)</span>]]- 08:16, May 15, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | Thanks for bringing up the [[Bonus Gallery]] on the main page ChaosKnight. -[[User:WhiteArmor|<span style="color: #B0C4DE;">'''''WhiteArmor'''''</span>]]-[[User talk:WhiteArmor|<span style="font-size:90%; font-family: Didot; color: #B0C4DE">(Talk)</span>]]- 21:12, May 22, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | You're welcome [[User:ChaosKnight|ChaosKnight]] 02:41, May 23, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | What is the point of having "Marital Status" in the charbox template if few, if any characters are married? "Relationship Status" might be better, but even then most characters aren't in a romantic relationship. [[User:Baithin|Baithin]] 02:38, May 24, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | Would you (and by you i mean the boss or admins) agree if i sorted the results of the voting in a descending order? thank you. [[User:Empath-silvio|Empath-silvio]] 21:58, July 17, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | Though I am not an admin, feel free to sort it out. If there's any mistake, we will help out. [[User:ChaosKnight|ChaosKnight]] 03:00, July 20, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | Although there are still some elements from another wikia, the layout is much better than last time, so let's keep it for now. I recommend that using a lighter color for the words inside the red box. It will contrast better. Also, there is a large, empty space next to the poll that could be filled, possibly with one of the box on the right. [[User:ChaosKnight|ChaosKnight]] 04:01, July 25, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | Hi, i'm new on this wikia, currently i'm focusing on the pics on the articles and i think the general desing of the wikia is pretty fine, there's only one thing that stills borthers me and that's the main page, since i am the new guy here i don't know how to change it but if someone could i think it would help a lot. In my opinion it feels kind of odd to enter the wikia and find the disorder on the page. [[Special:Contributions/190.56.45.192|190.56.45.192]] 20:10, August 1, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | Well, if there are some places that you want to change on the main page, just list it out. I'm pretty sure that someone will help out. [[User:ChaosKnight|ChaosKnight]] 04:15, August 2, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | I will usually update on the fifth of every month unless someone else had updated already (Quotes, Pics, Facts, and Featured Articles. The poll will be updated on the 14th of every month, and I'll take care of that). So if anyone wants to do it, please do so before the 5th. Otherwise you guys will be stuck with my (rather horrible) changes... [[User:ChaosKnight|ChaosKnight]] 04:15, August 2, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | Seems good to me, so far the changes you have done are cool. About what a said before, the only things that are out of the place, are the "Pictures of the Month" and where the title of "Fairy Tail" is. Thanks in advance.[[User:Fuyu|Fuyu]] 15:42, August 2, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | The alignment is now fixed. If there's any more problem for Main Page, remember to list them out here. Also, the quote of the month will be updated earlier than expected, and it is from Chapter 195. I translated as best as I could, so I hope that you guys will like it. [[User:ChaosKnight|ChaosKnight]] 16:13, August 3, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | Starting tomorrow, i will begin to add articles to the episodes who are missing them. I would like someone to add pictures to them. If anyone would be willing to, please leave a message in my talk. You will find there the episodes i have finished. '''[[User:Empath-silvio|<font color="green" size="2px">Empath</font>]]-[[User_talk:Empath-silvio|<font color="purple" size="2px">Silvio</font>]]''' 22:38, August 16, 2010 (UTC) |
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Removal of the Reddit Discord
I'm writing this as a form of formality and documentation on the removal of the fairy tail reddit discord from the fairy tail wiki. Based on recent events, We are now ending our affiliation with the Fairy Tail reddit discord due to events brought up by User:Miskos3 as quoted below.
"Hello, so there has been a bit of, um, situation with the whole affiliation thing to the FT reddit and their discord. Basically, Michelle became a moderator in that discord, but ended up being constantly bullied by the rest of their staff and/or other people. Because of that, she decided to leave that server. Since as far as I'm concerned, I considered her as sort of a FT wiki representative in this whole affiliation thing, and in any kind of partnership, it looks quite bad to treat a person you're dealing with in such a manner."
When the idea of implementing the reddit discord in the fairy tail wiki was proposed by User:AstonishingSpiderMan, they've mentioned these "Ultimately like I said, I want to unite discord, reddit, and the ft wikia together where the fandom could coexist and prosper and thrive with our love for Fairy Tail."
We believe that the discord staffs and members bullying someone from the fairy tail wiki side does not fit with what was promised to us by User:AstonishingSpiderMan. This kind of treatment does not support the idea of "unity between reddit, discord and coexistence" As admins we have taken an executive decision to terminate the said partnership. LightningGeist
11:18, June 6, 2020 (UTC)
A shame that this happened, any word from AstonishingSpiderMan about this?
Animaltamer7
11:29, June 6, 2020 (UTC)
None so far, but given that the people from the fairy tail wiki are already in the minority within the discord its very likely that the majority of users will stick with their fellow reddit discord members. Bullying a moderator to the point of them leaving the discord server already means that bullying is agreed upon by a lot of users and such thing were allowed to happen by the rest of the discord. Even if the bullying was denounced by User:AstonishingSpiderMan it doesn't change the fact that such thing happened, and it's very unlikely that they can force the discord members to change their ways either.
So it's really unfortunate that the situation led to this and promoting a place where such bullying happens is not what we were hoping to accomplish in the said partnership and it is definitely not the place where we would encourage the young and new fans of the series visiting the wiki to be exposed to. LightningGeist 12:07, June 6, 2020 (UTC)
Michelle is lying, I have done nothing but treat everyone with respect. She has admitted to accusing mods of hating her but subsequently admitted to them doing a fair job of moderating. She even made up with a mod she accused of hating her. Additionally, she even stepped down from the server when she was mod because of reasons I did not agree with. Ultimately, I am saddened that this has even happened. We all worked hard to make this partnership happen, I have even been working on incentivicizing users (via gift cards, or other rewards) to edit and help in the wikia but if you wish to remove the affiliation then I respect the decision. I disagree vehemently but it is not my decision to make. I am honestly tired of this from her, she has an issue she then threatens to get the affiliation to be removed, she has to have her way, and it's frustrating. I have been respectful, I have tried doing something for the entire community but I will not be held hostage by her. I worked something out with you. Uncool is still there and still comments and interacts, Davjac who she considers a close friend doesn't agree with the accusation either. The records are there, she wasn't mistreated, she didn't like that there was a change implemented so she cried foul. - Spider-Man AstonishingSpiderMan (talk) 23:57, June 6, 2020 (UTC)
I want to start off saying that in no way do users in the discord bully anyone. There is friendly banter yes, but to say we bullied someone into the point of leaving is 100% false. Next, Michelle and I are friends and in no way am I here to talk bad about her or anyone else for that matter. I am here to say yes, there were problems between people in the server, but it was never bullying. People didn't get along all that well sometimes and after some changes were made there were some issues that happened. Again, I am friends with Michelle and all the mods as well. I understand people were unhappy and were having a hard time that is literally just people not getting along all the time. Neither side was bullying the other. I am someone who tends to stay neutral which I will do now but really wanted to give another POV on this issue. I disagree with the statement that she was bullied out of the server 100% again and I do recognize there were issues between users which is bound to happen. The community and server are a good place and people are always having fun for the most part in their discussions and interactions with each other. I don't think it’s fair to punish everyone else revoking the affiliation over something where both parties were at fault for not getting along not bullying. Obviously, you probably don't care about my opinion or pov on the matter, but this is what happened. Not everyone is going to agree or get along all the time and it’s unfair to punish everyone else because of problems a few had with each other. Also, the post makes it seem like we are all bullies and rude which is not the case at all. These people are friends of mine on both sides. Taillee (talk) 01:31, June 7, 2020 (UTC)
I wasn't going to make a statement because after i left the server that was the end of it for me. but i do want to clear some things up. the issues I had with the server stemmed from a select few individuals, and in no way reflects on the community as a whole. I won't be calling out or naming said individuals because honestly there isn't a need to - i still hold dearly to me many people from the server, a majority of which are part of the staff. the term bullying is not the most appropriate word for the conflicts that had occurred as i am not someone who is without fault. Nor was it a manner of outright harassment either.
However, i was not respected there, myself as well as many other people from the server have voiced the same opinions and thoughts. I was treated in a hurtful manner by people i considered friends to me or people who i had tried to make amends with.
if there is one thing i pride myself on, it is that i am a genuine person, it may appear as though i love to create drama but it is rather that i am someone who is not easily pushed around and i will always stand up for myself when i'm being treated poorly. I think a lot of people from the wiki could agree with that, as well as people from the server. Leaving the server was not a decision i took lightly and it is one i had sat on for a while and it is one that i didn't want to make, but ultimately i felt extremely uncomfortable remaining in a place where i felt nothing but hostility.
that's all i'm going to say on the matter because i have no need to drag this on any further, the decision to remove the affiliation was not a decision made or pushed solely by myself but was discussed by the admins themselves.
Michelle Hyena (talk) 02:10, June 7, 2020 (UTC)