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The new chapter's out at last, yay! =D

So, for those who have read it already... Do you think this attack was Magical in nature, or it was only a display of physical strength? I'd go for the former theory, since Jiemma wasn't show performing any move, and the blast appeared to be generated before him... What's your opinion folks?

-- Aldarinor Laxus Sprite Talk  Contribs  20:02, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

I think it was just physical strength or maybe a Magical aura RelikzBickslow Doll3Talk 20:47, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

Strength. Curse this chapter, 3 mages without a known Magic... Herme20:54,5/18/2012

It looks like wind, since Natsu is sorta blown away, but that would be speculation.Chibi StingMega Chibi Cobra 20:58, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

Mhm... Should we vote?

-- Aldarinor Laxus Sprite Talk  Contribs  21:26, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

Meh, I think we can all just wait.   Rai  Talk     21:27,5/18/2012

Alright folks, the grumpy geezer's done it again: another seeming shockwave, as shown here. Worth mentioning this time? Jiemma also scared off some people either through a scary face or an aura... Is the whole thing a matter of Magic Power or what?

-- Aldarinor Laxus Sprite Talk  Contribs  14:04, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

Don't know. Mashima want to keep it secret. RelikzBickslow Doll3Talk 19:28, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

If you ask me, it seems to be more of a presence of Immense Magical Power, not just specific Magic exclusive to Jiemma. A Mage with an enormous amount of Magical Power can affect others around them and cause damage to the vicinity if you take Gildarts and Laxus as two examples.

The apparent shockwave effect would fit well under this. I'm not so sure about the fact that he scared people into leaving the arena with his anger would attribute to possibly Magical Power. I wouldn't be surprised though if the strength of his Magical Power was overwhelming enough to scare them off, however. And as for the attack that killed Lector, well, that I'm very doubtful of. As powerful as it may be, his Magical Power can't just turn a cat into nothingness.

And seeing how Jiemma's chances of surviving don't look good at the moment since there's no Orihime there to cry for his help, I doubt he'll be returning to the big screen enough to show us his true power. The logic that his apparent strength attributes to sheer Magical Power at the moment is good for me. We can wait for another week but chances are, we'll have to wait longer just to hear his name mentioned.
Glass Heart (GHeart) 22:22,9/21/2012 

I have a crazy theory that Jiemma may have a regeneration ability. I just don't think that Jiemma would die so quickly. We still don't know much about him. Besides, if he did have that ability, it would make him a very strong opponent. Perfect for the title of Sabertooth's guild master. ---- User talk: Lidor 14:02, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

No theories. RelikzBickslow Doll3Talk 19:21, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Can't we just put "Unnamed Magic", like Minerva...? Herme 04:28,10/13/2012

Yeah, I'd say describe what we can and put "Unnamed Magic", like Abe said, and when it is confirmed, it won't require as much editing :Umnei:Juvia'sPictureForUmneiSignature


What do you say we change Jiemma's status to "unknown"? Because we don't really know if he's alive or not. ---- User talk: Lidor 09:50, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

Volume 33 Name Change

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As per the discussion from my blog, it seems one of the intriguing differences were from this article. Jiemma's name has been changed in the English volume, so please vote below on which option you Support.

A) Ziemma (Eng. Volume)
B) Jiemma (Remain the same)

Sound off below!
:Umnei:Juvia'sPictureForUmneiSignature 06:14, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

Support Support - B--GodKingdraPray 06:29,9/1/2013

Support B - I'm sorry, but where did this Z come from?? ☆°・*CarrotSays...*・°☆ 07:18, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

Support B - Because Ziemma makes no sense to me. King of Uncool 08:26,9/1/2013 

Support Support - B.
Choko Kuguza No Tobira 10:33, 9/1/2013

Support B - i don't get z part. Plue without backgroundAnimaltamer7Nikora Key11:39, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

Why are we discussibg this? Didnt everyone oppose? Mudkip BW Marshtomp RSSwampert BW 13:58, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

Nuh baby It got a support :P
:Umnei:Juvia'sPictureForUmneiSignature 13:59, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

Who supported it?!! Who is the traitor?!! Mudkip BW Marshtomp RSSwampert BW 14:28, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

*skips away*
:Umnei:Juvia'sPictureForUmneiSignature 14:30, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

Neutral Neutral --- Quoth The Raven "Nevermore" '15:20, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

Support B - Miskos3 Message 17:53, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

Support B - ( .___.)MegaPanchamTalk 20:12, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

Support Support B - I don't like the proposed name since it sounds awkward KurokamiZero Talk Contribute 21:15, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

Support B - ...
WrathRogue ChibiZero 03:50, September 2, 2013 (UTC)

Support Support B - Landsliiiiide! EnpaiPlue without background18:06,9/2/2013


Does anyone think Jiemma is derived from a portmanteau of Ji and Enma? Ji coming from Jiji (geezer, grandpa, etc.) and Enma being the god of death and the ruler of the underworld in Japanese Buddhist mythology? TriNiSette (talk) 18:56, February 11, 2015 (UTC)

Interesting, but we have no evidence to support that. For all we know, Mashima just pulled up his name randomly.
Choko's Text Tag LEFT AT: → 19:03, 2/11/2015

Jiemma isn't the 1st guild master ?

Jiemma, all over the wikia is listed as Sabertooth's first guild master, which isn't correct, at Episode 151, when the guild were telling Natsu and the other about Saber they stated that Sabertooth changed their guild master and more 5 members joined it therefor he isn't the first master, I don't know his number but he is definitely not the first, did the wikia state that he is the first just because we couldn't give him a proper number ?

HamodyKeyes FT siteAsgail 14:16, October 3, 2015 (UTC)

It might've stated that in the anime Hamody, but does it state that to be the case in the corresponding manga chapter? If so then that does leave the question open, if not it's a clear cut case. Derax PaganiTartaros 14:41, October 3, 2015 (UTC)

Yea, the manga should say the same. I was actually looking into this some time ago and even had Ummy link me the respective page from Kodansha's translation, since Panda and Stream differed. Miskos3 Message 14:42, October 3, 2015 (UTC)

I looked in the chapter on several manga sites and they all said: Their guild master recruited five very strange but very capable mages , asuring that Jiemma is the first master, what I don't understand why does the anime says something different thing from the manga ?

HamodyKeyes FT siteAsgail 15:05, October 3, 2015 (UTC)

Anime logic \( ._.)/ Derax PaganiTartaros 15:09, October 3, 2015 (UTC)

That sentence never mentions which master he is. It just says that under his rule 5 strange and powerful mages joined and elevated Sabertooth to spot one. How did anyone arrive at the conclusion that he must be the first master?

If the same arguments had been used on Makarov, it would have meant that he'd have been listed as first master up until the the Tenrou arc most likely.

I think it'd be best to just leave out the numbering for either Jiemma or Sting. If it's necessary to clarify anything, so it by date. Anything else is speculation. NoNickNeeded (talk) 15:13, October 3, 2015 (UTC)

Wait... all over the wikia? I just checked his article (duh... should have done that before posting) and not even there it mentions him as the first. Was this already changed? NoNickNeeded (talk) 15:15, October 3, 2015 (UTC)

I haven't noticed but this was actually deleted from the wikia last month, depending on your theory NoNickNeeded, Jiemma and Sting are now just listed as Guild Master.

HamodyKeyes FT siteAsgail 16:30, October 3, 2015 (UTC)

Well, the history of Sabertooth states that they got a new master followed by several top Mages. Does that count?--Observer Supreme 04:14, May 24, 2018 (UTC)

Status post Tartaros arc

Is there any consensus on whether he's dead or unknown, because there's some discrepancies right now. He has the deceased category, but unknown status.

If it's not yet decided, I'd cast my vote on unknown. He survived this massive hole in his torso, so all those little holes that Sting and Rogue made shouldn't kill him either. NoNickNeeded (talk) 15:27, March 12, 2016 (UTC)

Tartaros membership

When Mard Geer refers to him as Tartaros' "newest member", Jiemma immediately responds to Mard that he is not a member of Tartaros and plans on eliminating them too. Should we de-list him as a Tartaros member? --Neffyarious (talk) 17:19, January 18, 2019 (UTC)

You can chuck it up to his hostile personality and that he doesn't want some else to boss him around. In the end he's the same case as his daughter, and you would think that he willingly at least went to them and allowed them to demonize him,t thus making him one of their troops and by extension a member.

HamodyKeyes FT siteAsgail 18:00, January 19, 2019 (UTC)

So I guess we should list Doriate as a Tartaros member too? --Neffyarious (talk) 18:09, January 19, 2019 (UTC)

There's Succubus Eye for that, which was one of the Dark Guilds under Tartaros, Though if I can remember correctly, Tartaros got rid of all their dark guilds before the Face operation, in series-time: around the end of the Sun Village arc. That was when Kyoka was scavenging for strong Mages that would make good demons, and that's when she found Minerva.

HamodyKeyes FT siteAsgail 18:16, January 19, 2019 (UTC)

Well if the criteria is willingly going to Tartaros to be demonized, then why don't we list Minerva as a former member of Fairy Tail since she willingly went to Porlyusica to be de-demonized? Jiemma has no Tartaros guild mark (unlike Neo Minerva) and also does not consider himself a member of Tartaros, he shouldn't be listed as one just because he went to them for help. --Neffyarious (talk) 18:21, January 19, 2019 (UTC)

I didn't say that was the criteria :/. I only mentioned that Doriate was a member of a Tartaros-led guild. As I said, "You would think", never was it stated clearly that he went to them for help, and it does not matter, we just know that he was demonized by Tartaros and taken in as one of their troops. The guildmark argument doesn't mean anything since it isn't obligatory that we seem a member's mark, like Torafuzar and Ezel.

Also doing someone a favor doesn't mean he joins your guild, and Porly technically retired from FT (semi-active), albeit yes she's still their permanent doctor. And again I shrug the "I will eliminate you as well" thing to him being a Jiemma XP.

HamodyKeyes FT siteAsgail 18:43, January 19, 2019 (UTC)

So we consider him a member of Tartaros because he was taken in by Tartaros and considered a member by Mard, then why don't we list E.N.D. as a member of Tartaros, they consider him a member after all. --Neffyarious (talk) 18:53, January 19, 2019 (UTC)

While I do know what you're talking about, since I've been in the wiki for quite a while, I'm an anime-only viewer at best, so I can't really throw in my two cents in this, but if I'm not mistaken, is "they" even valid? I may be wrong but Mard Geer was the only one who ever mentioned E.N.D. as a master, the others were just "we will return to Zeref" and such and answered to Mard. Maybe other manga readers can add-on, but on a discussion regarding that at least.

HamodyKeyes FT siteAsgail 19:02, January 19, 2019 (UTC)

Maybe you could add the idea of the physical presence with that? :P
HamodyKeyes FT siteAsgail 19:03, January 19, 2019 (UTC)

Cobra knew of E.N.D. as Tartaros' master, he says so to Mest in the Tartaros arc, so the rest of the Balam Alliance thought E.N.D. was a Tartaros member. --Neffyarious (talk) 19:06, January 19, 2019 (UTC)

Saying the entire Ballam knew might be a speculation, what tells us that Kain does/doesn't know about E.N.D.?, but I can understand that. You would think that if Hades and Mard were having tea and the former refers to the latter as "guildmaster", Mard would pull a Shaiapouf and say sth like: "Oh no I would never, I'm just filling in for the real master, E.N.D.", and in professional terms, they would take his word for it.
HamodyKeyes FT siteAsgail 19:15, January 19, 2019 (UTC)

1. As I already told you when you brought this shit up before, END is not Tartaros' guild master. End of story. You aren't getting your way.

2. As for Jiemma, I don't have access to the official translation, but the version I do have has Jiemma stating he shouldnt be considered a mere member due to his power level, not that he isn't a member. So unless you have a translation of Jiemma officially stating he never joined Tartaros, then it stays as is-- God · Pray · 19:57,1/19/2019 

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