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Thought Projection

I'm wondering if Ivan could use thought projection magic. It might be some kind of illusion magic but it seems exactly like thought projection. In Chapter 287, Makarov also stated that it's some kind of thought projection.

Seahorse ^Marco 13:56, December 25, 2012 (UTC)

It was stated to be illusions. Even though they might be the same thing, it'd be speculation to say so RelikzTalk 22:15, December 25, 2012 (UTC)

But in the mangastream translation, it was stated "thought projection" by Makarov. In the official Chinese Tankoubon Vol. 34 that I just bought, it was also translated as "thought projection". The 4 disappeared together only after Ivan was defeated. So...? Seahorse ^Marco 01:18, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

Then if it was stated to be Thought Projection, then that's what is. So yeah, he can use it RelikzTalk 04:19, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

OK. I updated the page, but I don't know whether my edit is accurate. Please check it for me. Thanks a lot. Seahorse ^Marco 05:34, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

Blast thingy

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So I'm sure everyone has noticed this spell. Its manga version is here.

Anyway, do we classify it as a Darkness Magic spell or an Illusion Magic spell? Personally, I was thinking of calling it Dark Blast and putting it under Darkness Magic. Thoughts? Miskos3 Message 18:55, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

Darkness Magic — Dark Blast - Me ga 19:01, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

Support - .:Umy:.

20:57, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

Support - VEN BEDE❦○YO!!!○01:00, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

Support - Bimbo the Great ^{09:44, Feb. 10, 2013 (UTC)}

Support - /// c h o k o ^★ /// m e s s a g e ^★ /// s t a m p : ^★ /// 16:17, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

Oppose - It's not Darkness Magic, it's just an illusion created by Ivan, so people could see "Alexei's" magic. And I also think Laxus' Lightning Punch shouldn't be added to his page, cause it was all an Illusion created and manipulated by Ivan. MiraMajin Talk! 16:37,2/10/2013

Oppose - That's merely an illusion. It was casted by an illusion and employed against an illusion. Besides, why would you classify it as Darkness Magic? It was given a color indicating a possible "dark" source only in the anime. Even if it was created, who would you mark as its user? Ivan was employing his illusions and had them use it; adding it to his page would be like adding Master Hand to Hand Combatant because his illusion overwhelmed Laxus'. Midnight wasn't noted as a Darkness Magic user because his illusion used it (or what looked like it). The same ought to be done here.

-- Aldarinor Talk Contribs 16:54, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

Exactly! :D MiraMajin

Talk! 16:59,2/10/2013

Then how about it being added as sub-type of Illusion Magic?

Illusion Magic:

"Darkness Magic — Dark Blast"

Like this? Sligneris (talk) 17:01, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

"In his illusionary fight against Laxus, Ivan has shown an ability to... etc etc. Whether Ivan is actually capable of performing such a magic/spell is currently unknown."

Can it not be added like that to Ivan's page? The spell page itself would be just: "A user puts their hands together to concentrate dark Magic which is then shot at the target, damaging them."

No need to mention illusion. It's just a spell. Y/N? Miskos3 Message 17:25, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

That's quite a nice idea. Sligneris (talk) 17:27, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

I think it's not necessary. It could be added to the "Description" section: "This ability also gives the user the right of creating illusionary spells." Or something like this. Sorry for bad grammar. :P MiraMajin

Talk! 16:43,2/11/2013

That was an illusion. The only Magic used was illusions. No spell was ever used other than illusions. There is nothing to discuss really... RelikzTalk 23:55, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

agreed with reli Animaltamer⁷

I think I'd actually go with Miskos3's solution. Creating article about spell, and linking to it in description of Ivan's illusion. However it would not be considered as a spell that Ivan is capable of using. Sligneris (talk) 16:07, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

By there is nothing to discuss, I mean there is nothing to discuss. The spell doesn't exist. no page can be created for it because no darkness magic spell was never used, the only Magic used at the time was illusion Magic. Relikz

Talk 20:28, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

New Profile Picture

I can't help but to feel that his current profile picture is somehow... unfit. I don't actually have any proposals right now, but I think we should look around episodes in Grand Magic Games arc and find a better fitting picture... Sligneris (talk) 23:21, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

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 {{Oppose}} It's '''not''' Darkness Magic, it's just an illusion created by Ivan, so people could see "Alexei's" magic. And I also think Laxus' Lightning Punch shouldn't be added to his page, cause it was all an Illusion created and manipulated by Ivan. {{User:MiraMajin/sig1}}16:37,2/10/2013
-{{Oppose}} That's merely an illusion. It was casted by an illusion and employed against an illusion. Besides, why would you classify it as '''Darkness Magic'''? It was given a color indicating a possible "dark" source only in the anime. Even if it was created, who would you mark as its user? Ivan was employing his illusions and had them use it; adding it to his page would be like adding '''Master Hand to Hand Combatant''' because his illusion overwhelmed Laxus'. Midnight wasn't noted as a '''Darkness Magic''' user because [[Illusions|his illusion]] used it (or what looked like it). The same ought to be done here.
+{{Oppose}} That's merely an illusion. It was casted by an illusion and employed against an illusion. Besides, why would you classify it as '''Darkness Magic'''? It was given a color indicating a possible "dark" source only in the anime. Even if it was created, who would you mark as its user? Ivan was employing his illusions and had them use it; adding it to his page would be like adding '''Master Hand to Hand Combatant''' because his illusion overwhelmed Laxus'. Midnight wasn't noted as a '''Darkness Magic''' user because [[Nightmare|his illusion]] used it (or what looked like it). The same ought to be done here.
 --{{User:Aldarinor/Sig2}} 16:54, February 10, 2013 (UTC)
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 :By there is nothing to discuss, I mean there is '''nothing''' to discuss. The spell doesn't exist. no page can be created for it because no darkness magic spell was never used, the only Magic used at the time was illusion Magic. {{User:Rauleli/Sig6}} 20:28, February 12, 2013 (UTC)
+== New Profile Picture ==
+I can't help but to feel that his current profile picture is somehow... unfit. I don't actually have any proposals right now, but I think we should look around episodes in [[Grand Magic Games arc]] and find a better fitting picture... [[User:Sligneris|Sligneris]] ([[User talk:Sligneris|talk]]) 23:21, February 17, 2013 (UTC)