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Deceased Status

I think that consider him killed it's a speculation. Ikusa-Tsunagi is simply a magical being like the Celestial Spirits summoned by a mage, so we don't know if he is actually killed or simply sent back from were he came from after being defeated. Radhoir, May 14, 2015 (UTC)

I think it would be the best to wait for the next chapter to be released. DispellingMage 16:19, May 14, 2015 (UTC)

Strange banner on his infobox

Oddly, I find a weird banner in between Ikusa's status and weapon. Can you remove that or no? --ಠ◡ಠ 21:26, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

Status

This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion is:
He is deceased.
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Someone told me not to respond to an old discussion so ill make a new one, as mentioned above i believe Ikusa-Tsunagi's status is speculation and should be changed to unknown unless the anime made it more clear coz checking manga stream's translation it was just defeated they didnt say it was killed, as mentioned above it was a summoned being so maybe just like the zodiac and when defeated it will just return to where they came from. LightningGeist 05:05, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

This can definitely can go either way cause one hand there's no confirmation that Gods can't die unlike CS's and Natsu clearly used a high-level move to kill or destroy him... but could go either way to me... I think this discussion would be best to go for a straight vote and to get it out of the way instead a dumb long posts on here and never-ending arguments Ncduru 05:31, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

Wont that make it a speculation coz we will interpret details on our own rather than follow the manga source and what the author wrote? does this mean every time natsu or someone used a high-level move it will automatically result to a death? I was just trying to get a clarification coz i thought this wiki does that and avoid speculation. LightningGeist 05:54, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

I would like to point out that the raw uses the verb 破壊 (Hakai), which means "Destroy". Crunchyroll and Kodansha (I'm still in England, my volume is at home, but I did read it thoroughly before I left) also both use destroy to reference what Natsu did to Ikusa-Tsunagi. Yeah, Natsu defeated Ikusa-Tsunagi like they said, but by destroying him. Last time I checked, when someone is physically destroyed (as in meaning blown to pieces), they die. The word actually means, "To end the existence of someone or something by damaging or attacking it."
WrathZero 17:58, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

Imma put this point here since Wrath said it wont make a difference, but several have said we don't know if Gods can die, but we have God Slayers....so.....-- God · Pray · 19:32,1/8/2016 

If they function like Dragon Slayers, they'd be taught by Gods, yet they're not. Pretty sure this was mentioned in Natsu's fight against Zankrow. It just denotes superiority of them over Dragon Slayers, in my opinion. DispellingMage19:37,1/8/2016

Dragon Slayers don't have to be taught by dragons, tho. They can learn their magic via other methods, like lacrima. The series has said it gives them the ability to slay actual Gods, and there has been nothing to refute that. Therefore, for all intents and purposes, Gods can die. Just like how you don't have to be a Dragon Slayer to kill a dragon (dragons can kill each other, for instance), it stands to reason by story-line evidence alone that Gods are not completely immortal, and that they can be killed by anyone.
WrathZero 19:50, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

My two cents: Saying that Gods can die is what's a speculation. We cannot apply 'normal human rules' to them, just because he got completely rekt doesn't mean he can't regenerate in whatever realm he's been summoned from. We've had Celestial Spirits with holes in them and they're fine. Normal humans even. I thought we've established that dying doesn't come that easily in this series. Besides, even if we ignore Celestial Spirits' immortality as fellow summons, Gods are supposed to be immortal deities. That's why saying that this guy is dead is a speculation. We don't know what kind of rules of living/mortality applies to them when it comes to Gods. Unknown is the only correct way to go here. Miskos3 Message 20:38, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

Where was it ever said Gods are immortal deities that cant be killed? Chapter and page please. There are different kinds of immortality and most any series featuring gods uses the immortality in which someone does not age but can still be killed. -- God · Pray · 20:50,1/8/2016 

I'm glad you have decided to comment on a single point out of the bunch that I've provided while completely misunderstanding it Miskos3 Message 21:05, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

I already countered your other statements below but I will repeat here. It is pure speculation to assume that Ikusa Tsunagi is like a celestial spirit and will repair himself when he goes back to wherever he is from. It is not speculation to say God's can die because we have an entire magic dedicated to killing them. And yes, we can apply normal human rules to this because it is speculation to say otherwise. When something is destroyed to the extent that Ikusa Tsunagi was, we have to say it is dead because we were never given anything to indicate otherwise. There is absolutely 0 indication that he may be alive while there is a lot of indication he is dead. So what is more speculative, to say that something that was utterly destroyed is dead, or to say that something that was utterly destroyed is maybe still alive because we have a completely separate race that can regenerate from that kind of injury and gods in myth are typically unable to be killed?-- God · Pray · 21:13,1/8/2016 

Except Natsu's not a God Slayer and besides, God Slaying magic was said to be such magic only in name as there were no real Gods seen or defeated by that point. It can be learnt as every other magic, not even the use of lacrima is involved. But once again, we cannot apply normal human rules. Saying that the God is dead is a speculation. We don't know what happened to him afterwards and will probably never find out either. That goes even without considers other races or myths, as you put it. Miskos3 Message 21:42, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

Ikusa-Tsunagi's Status

Deceased

1. Support - Natsu clearly used a super op move to take him out, built-up speech would be whack if he didn't kill him... the reactions from the Avatar members said it all for me Ncduru 05:31, January 5, 2016 (UTC)
2. Support - It is way more of an assumption to say that a God is like a celestial spirit. We saw him killed, we say he is dead until evidence proves otherwise-- God · Pray · 02:24,1/6/2016 
3. Support - I honestly think it's speculation to assume anything other than what we saw. We saw him blown to pieces, and with no explanation on how God's work, it's actually better to list him as deceased, because then we are putting our own ideas into how we think things work, rather than being objective about the situation. Objectively, from just looking at the fight and with having no information on whether or not Gods are immortal, we have to assume that what we saw was what happened. It's like how someone with the latest chapter wanted us to write that Brandish thought Grammi killed Layla, when in fact we have to write what we saw/were told.
   WrathZero 02:28, January 6, 2016 (UTC)
4. Support - --Goblin King - 3000 B.C., Keeper of Evil Squirrels 20:15, January 6, 2016 (UTC)
5. Support - Reinhartmax (talk) 20:21, January 6, 2016 (UTC)
6. Support - He shattered to pieces FairySeeker12 (talk) 00:17, January 7, 2016 (UTC)
7. Support - Fusion the Pawn (talk) 19:27, January 8, 2016 (UTC)
8. Support - ScarletInferno (talk) 21:04, January 8, 2016 (UTC)
9. Support -

Sada ✿ Talk 18:10,1/11/2016 18:10, January 11, 2016 (UTC)

1. Support - He dead Derax Pagani 18:54, January 11, 2016 (UTC)

Unknown

1. Support - We don't even know how the gods' work here. Animaltamer⁷07:33, January 5, 2016 (UTC)
2. Support - Miskos3 Message 02:21, January 6, 2016 (UTC)
3. Support - I'm for unknown too. While it's true that it's speculation that he didn't die, it's also just speculation that he did die. At least with Unknown it's right out in the open that we don't know. NoNickNeeded (talk) 20:11, January 6, 2016 (UTC)
4. Support - I agree with Nick. The status of his is vague for all we know, and it would be speculative to assume that he's deceased if it's not outright confirmed. DispellingMage20:33,1/6/2016
5. Support - In this case, I agree with the people above. Had the character in question been anything/anyone else than a God, I would perhaps have had a different opinion, but as the case stands I think it's best we list Ikusa's status as unknown. Wonder Talk ★★21:42,1/6/2016
6. Support - DisneySeggewys (talk) 23:31, January 6, 2016 (UTC)
7. Support - It's more than obvious. MagnoCosmos 17:46, January 8, 2016 (UTC)
8. Support - ^ What he said Roranoa Drake II (talk) 22:21, January 8, 2016 (UTC)
9. Support - :3 --Sane Lunatic (talk) 18:42, January 11, 2016 (UTC)