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Name

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Until further confirmation of its name, I suggest changing its name from Franmalth to Flan Mars. The reason is that, frankly, it looks like a Flan with war gear (helmet, shoulder plates, which justify the word Mars=war on its name), while Franmalth is not a word, at least not one I'm aware of.

So, until official confirmation or until we get a RAW/Kondansha/whatever that has its name, I suggest this name change. Any thoughts?
Raven(S)talk11:51,11/8/2013

Chaos already confirmed his name, I think.
MegaTalk 11:53, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Okay then, I'll keep the discussion open just until Chaos confirms this.
Raven(S)talk12:07,11/8/2013

Looks to me that no one wants there to be any changes... and Chaos seems to prefer Franmalth over Flan Mars, so for now, this discussion will be closed.
:Umnei: 13:25, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

Demon Form

I don't think that in chapter 366 that was Franmalth's demon form, I think that was a form when he was talking about or doing an attack based on "1000 souls".--CNBA3 (talk) 01:48, January 11, 2014 (UTC)

Nope, that wasn't his demon form. He just broke his shell, that's all. 04:14, January 11, 2014 (UTC)

Demon form and Human form

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I know, Raven and his discussions start the WWIII for yet another time. Bear with me though, because I think this issue is a bit complicated and every opinion matters...

In chapter 366, Franmalth's armor broke after Natsu's attack and revealed spikes underneath. In Franmalth's summary, it states that he shifted to his Demon form, however to me it only looked like his armor just broke, and he looked like this underneath. I think this leaves us with 3 choices:

1. Franmalth indeed changed from Human to Demon.
2. Franmalth was in his Demon form to begin with. His appearance is less human than the other Demons' Human forms, no matter how you look at it, so he may already have been in his Demon form.
3. Franmalth was using his Human form, just like the other 9DG members. His armor broke and he did not have a chance to change to his Demon form because Silver interrupted him.

All in all, I would just wait until we see more of Franmalth in battle, but I think we should make a decision, temporary even, because:

• Franmalth may or may not have a normal fight. He seems like a joke of a character, like someone who would be one-hit KOed by Natsu.
• His personality, summary, and CaA sections need updating, and we need to agree on whatever it is he did in this chapter in order to know what exactly to write.

So... opinions?
Raven(S)talk10:56,1/12/2014

I think it'd be best to change the article to only metion his armor breaking and not say anything regarding which form he was in. That way it's not wrong for sure for the time being. And once we get confirmation, or are sure that we won't get any more, we can always make the real decision.

Also for me it looked like Franmalth himself broke the armor, rather than it being broken by Natsu. Like he "broke out" of it. NoNickNeeded (talk) 11:03, January 12, 2014 (UTC)

lol I don't know who made the edits that he changed to demon form but I saw it and fixed it in the ability pages. I forgot to fix it everywhere else. whoops. 15:35, January 12, 2014 (UTC)

I took the liberty and edited it, also checked the rest of the addition from this week. I guess we can close this discussion now.
:Umnei: 19:28, January 12, 2014 (UTC)

Gender

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Franmalth's gender is considered to be male.
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M'kay, so I'm seeing Franmalth being referred to as both 'it' and 'he' throughout various articles. <_< It'd be good if we all decided on a single one for consistency sake. Thoughts? Miskos3 Message 09:22, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

I thought the gender's been established as it... >_> unless somehow confirmed male, I think it'd be best to avoid speculation and keep it unknown. Like with Frosch.
Raven(S)talk09:45,3/14/2014

I agree. With him being pretty much a big elastic blob, we can't really judge his gender by his body, unlike Silver and Kyouka for example, so unless someone from within Tartarus calls him by a clearly male pronoun, calling Fran "it" seems the best course of action. NoNickNeeded (talk) 10:19, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

Really? In my opinion he looks like a mean fat guy with demonic features... I don't see any way that thing could be a female, given his appearance and behavior. I can see the point in considering Yakgdowaorhbaorbhawoi an 'it' since it has no biological features that would resemble a human at all, let alone a specific gender, but I'm really not confortable with calling a character that looks humane enough an 'it'. It's really awkward using that in articles, in my opinion... Also, pronouns aren't really an argument since even those whose genders are clear use the gender neutral ones. Miskos3 Message 10:35, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

Unless there is a special case (like Motherglare and it's name and Magic), if he looks like male, we go with male. That's not speculation, just common sense. And Franmalth looks like a male so... 10:58, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

But this makes zero sense for numerous reasons:

• Frosch looks male to the majority, but that didn't make it male for us.
• Since Franmalth is another species and has a non-human form, we cannot tell what is and what is not male with such ease.
• For all we know it could be similar to Yakdoriga and be a Demon without gender.

For the reasons above, and because we always don't just change stuff unless confirmed, I still think that unless outright stated, it is wrong to change Franmalth's gender to male.
Raven(S)talk11:52,3/14/2014

• Frosch is an Exceed and due to their features as cats, unless specifically stated, one cannot really tell its gender.
• No, Yakdoriga has a gender, we just cannot say what it is due to the fact that it has absolutely no features of a human, the same cannot be said about Franmalth.
• Franmalth is depicted with numerous features of a male, starting with the appearance and ending with the behavior. He has zero signs of a female, I'm sure all of us will agree with that. Therefore, there is no dispute like in Frosch, Motherglare or Yakgdo's cases, so not considering him to be a male would be quite silly - as Reli put it, you just need a bit of common sense - and would just make things complicated for us. I totally dislike having to refer to characters with 'it' when they look humane enough unless the gender is fully unclear, which isn't Franmalth's case, again. Miskos3 Message 12:02, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

I actually disagree on both accounts, particularly with the behaviour part. Behaviour is almost completely independent of gender and mostly the result of the upbringing and the person's surroundings. The only reason why most man and woman behave so differently is because of their upbringing, but I know a few people who behave in a way that is commonly associated with the other gender (an aunt for whom tomboy would barely cut it for example).

As for his looks: To me he looks andorgynous, more than anything. He's a big blog without any gender-distinguishing features. NoNickNeeded (talk) 12:19, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

"To me he looks andorgynous, more than anything. He's a big blog without any gender-distinguishing features." ... ( .__.) Okay, I'll leave ( _ _)~ ☆°・*CarrotSays...*・°☆ 12:24, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

Force of habit... NoNickNeeded (talk) 12:30, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

Maybe I should've used the term 'expression' instead of behavior. But c'mon, Fran's constantly yelling, has that evil grin on his face, and is obnoxious. He looks like a fat guy. There's zero signs of feminity, and that's the whole point.

I'm sure that in the end, you wouldn't mind referring to Fran with a 'he', but I'm sure that using a 'she' would be extremely awkward, right? On the other hand, would you mind calling Frosch either 'he' or 'she'? Or Yakgdo? Or Motherglare? These three are way too ambiguous for us to make the decision. And that's the main difference, while these three can be considered any of the two genders and thus we have no choice but to consider them androgynous, the choice with Franmalth is pretty clear, in my opinion. Miskos3 Message 12:35, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

Frankly, I'm with Mizzy and Reli on this, it is painfully obvious that Franmalth is a guy. There is not a single feminine trait about him. The whole "unknown gender" thing should really only be used when the gender is actually debatable because it could logically go either way. With Franmalth, I don't think there's a single person who sees him and thinks he's a woman. With Frosch and Motherglare, however, this is possible. Jakuho Raikoben20:11,3/14/2014

Agrees with misk, it doesn't really show any feminity and to me it really look like a fat guy.Animaltamer⁷12:16, March 15, 2014 (UTC)

Status

As we all know, Mirajane destroyed Hell's Core, thus preventing both Ezel and Franmalth from regenerating. Shouldn't their status be Unknown at the moment (Ezel's status is currently unknown)?

Mamerge07:36,4/13/2014

Technically his status is "currently without a body" or something like that, but I agree "Unknown" is the better choice here. NoNickNeeded (talk) 07:47, April 13, 2014 (UTC)

If you checked the actual page you would see that he is indeed listed as 'Unknown'.   Kuro      Ashi   07:48, April 13, 2014 (UTC)

Okay then :) Well, they are now in an unknown status, but in this page, they are not. Can't edit it though because it's locked. Mamerge11:24,4/13/2014

Then it would be wise to start a discussion on that talk page.   Kuro      Ashi   11:44, April 13, 2014 (UTC)