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Format exporting

Anyone thing it'd be a good idea to export this format to blue mistral, most of the chapter pages are empty. 128.138.57.78 22:42, January 18, 2016 (UTC)

Name and Page

Current

Proposal

Just to solve the Logo issue for Rhodonite.

Support

1. Support - This is the closest we have for a logo for this spin-off, I would have found a raw version of the logo but I can't seem to find one.Animaltamer⁷09:10, March 28, 2016 (UTC)
2. Support - Yeah, the names need sorted out, but in the mean time :P Derax Pagani 15:48, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Oppose - Besides, we still need to deal with the names... Miskos3 Message 09:15, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Neutral

1. Neutral - Never read this so whatever you guys want XD DispellingMage09:47,3/28/2016
2. Neutral - What DM said. 0FairyTalk 10:10, March 28, 2016 (UTC)
3. Neutral - ^^w/e. Wonder Talk ★★11:58,3/28/2016

Discussion

Before talking about the logo shouldn't there be a discussion of the Fairy Tail Gaiden thing first cause Chapter 17 of Rhodonite actually has the number 32 in place of it. B214 ♠♣♥♦09:27,3/28/2016

I'd say neither. We should just ask Reli to work his magic with this. It's pretty much the only image with the official logo in colour. Reason I didn't say anything before, is cause I was hoping that at some stage we may get a higher resolution image (and Reli is rather inactive nowadays), but that doesn't look like happening. For now we'll stick to the current one.
As for the whole Fairy Tail Gaiden thing, they are technically the same series, but for organisation purposes it's better to treat them as two separate series. It would be too messy putting it all on one page. Also, on the official app they are listed as two separate series with their own numbering. But that's enough of that for now.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 09:55, March 28, 2016 (UTC) It would get messy for combining both gaiden series together, plus both series have (at the moment) two arcs each.Animaltamer⁷10:12, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Never said we should combine them. Maybe something like a page to link them together. B214 ♠♣♥♦10:47,3/28/2016

I was thinking we should make a page just called Fairy Tail Gaiden, which with links to both Twin Dragons of Sabertooth and Rhodonite, but that's not a priority right now.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 11:01, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Also, the name should be Road Knight ( ._.) Miskos3 Message 11:10, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

I'm with Duel on this... this should be talked about on a forum or FT Gaiden's talk page, can't vote for the prop cause it's not the raw, yet at least and it should be Road Knight Ncduru 11:54, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Doesn't Rhodonite make more sense?Animaltamer⁷12:02, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

No Miskos3 Message 12:06, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

FAIRY TAIL外伝 ロードナイト Fearī Teiru Gaiden: Rōdo Naito... the actual romaji/kanji so it's Road Knight Ncduru 12:07, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Eh, makes sense. Animaltamer⁷12:11, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Rōdo Naito (ロードナイト) could mean Road Knight, Road Night, Lord Knight, Lord Night or Rhodonite. Also, there is no official english title atm. Although Road Knight seems like the most likely title at the moment, but there's still some doubt, mainly due to this (which is obviously referring to the real life stone rhodonite). I think it's best that we don't change the name until we have an official english title (from Kodansha USA, when they license it). But that's enough about that for now. Let's just close this vote, and I'll ask Reli to clean the image I linked earlier tomorrow. If anyone really wants to continue the conversations on the road knight/rhodonite name and gaiden as a whole, then I suggest you open up a new discussion on the series talk page or the forums.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 12:48, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

There needs to be one more to oppose or support for the prop for this voting to be done.Animaltamer⁷13:55, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

I'll get on it 15:39, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Reli. Just do it when you can. As for the voting, let's just close this. Neither image is suitable and will be replaced anyway.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 16:14, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Done 16:36, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

thanks reli, can admin close this? Ncduru 16:43, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

No, here's the thing. There's no "for organization purposes it's better." They are the same series, they get merged. This is the bottom line. One is Twin Dragons of Sabertooth, one is Rhodonite, but they are both Fairy Tail Gaiden. Same author, same series, they follow the numbering. Merge them and make a logo that takes out Twin Dragons and Rhodonite, call it even, merge, delete, and move on with our day.
WrathZero 20:10, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Discussion moved; please continue the debate about Rhodonite's name and the page merging here. Miskos3 Message 21:04, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

If you think of it as a whole, they shouldn't be merged since they have distinct stories focusing on one group at a time. Plus TDoST takes place a little after the Tartaros arc, while Rhodonite is sometime after the grand magic games and inbetween tartaros and avatar.Animaltamer⁷05:15, March 29, 2016 (UTC)

I agree with Animaltamer, they are two distinct stories, completely unrelated to each other. They both take place at different points in time and no references are made between the two. From an in-universe perspective, there is nothing directly connecting the two.
As stated before, the app categorizes them as two separate series with their own numbering. Even Kodansha USA, who just licensed Twin Dragons of Sabertooth, treats it as it's own series. IMO, you should think of Fairy Tail Gaiden as a meta-series, and Twin Dragons of Sabertooth and Rhodonite are sub-series within that meta-series.
It would just be wrong to list Crunch and Mash together as protagonist, and Gajeel and Sabertooth together as protagonist. Also, each series has their own separate logos. There is no logo for Gaiden as a whole. And I'm against us just making our own logo, cause that means we'll be picking and choosing between the two (they're both different colours, so which would be choose?).
There would be serious issues if they were to be merged. A page that links the two series would be ok, but just straight up merging the two would be problematic. Perhaps maybe even a tabbed page could work.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 10:46, March 29, 2016 (UTC)

I'm down with Duel's idea of a tabbed page, like how Pegasus Village is tabbed as a link on the Blue Pegasus guild's page? Think that's literally the best option cause we have no main logo to use for both gaidens Ncduru 11:22, March 29, 2016 (UTC)

A tabbed that connects both series is alright with me. Animaltamer⁷14:38, March 29, 2016 (UTC)

if we're supporting I Support - Animal's and Duel's Idea... best and only option Ncduru 18:05, March 29, 2016 (UTC)

Okay just to make this discussion move again lets vote.

Tabbed Pages

Keeping the pages separate with tabs linking the pages.

1. Support - Just to get this discussion over with.Animaltamer⁷12:09, April 12, 2016 (UTC)
2. Support - Ncduru 12:50, April 12, 2016 (UTC)
3. Support - HamodyAsgail 21:26, April 12, 2016 (UTC)
4. Support - Just a heads up for those who don't know; a new gaiden spin-off should be released next week. Also, when the discussion is closed don't delete the pages, as we'll use for re-directs.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 09:33, April 13, 2016 (UTC)

Merge

merging the three articles together.

More Stupid Bullshit

Sorry, call me a douchebag, but I'm re-opening this discussion for myriad reasons, one of which is that 4 people saying yes to such a big change isn't enough. According to Amazon, this is Fairy Tail Gaiden, Volume 2. The series is Fairy Tail Gaiden. The arc is Rhodonite. Just like how before, the arc is Twin Dragons of Sabertooth. So...what? It's a different gaiden, so new page? I'm not getting this. It's the same series and fuck whatever else? It doesn't matter when they take place, or if they don't take place at the same time. Same series, same page. I'm not getting what is complicated. You just make sub-sections for characters from the Sabertooth arc and characters from the Rhodonite arc, and the same with magics, and terms, and blah blah blah. It's not rocket science, and the damn volume itself reflects this, so does the chapter numbering, and more. You should've gotten the hint when it was Gaiden volume 1 way back when. Separating it makes no sense. If anything, just use the switch template for the logos. Jeez, it's not our place to completely disregard stuff and just rearrange what we see fit to make it "easier for ourselves" when what is easy and what is correct are not necessarily the same thing.
WrathZero 23:01, April 28, 2016 (UTC)

So, just created the page and the tab (was already working on it before Wrath posted and didn't look at the wiki activity until after I made all my edits).
Anyway, as stated before, they are two distinct series with their own stories, completely unrelated to each other. On the official Magazine Pocket app, in which the series are serialized, they are listed as two separate series with their own numbering. Kodansha USA even licensed the series separately, and is treating them as one-volume series. Also, a lot of people don't know that the two series are technically the same series, and would be confused if they see gaiden on the header, and can't find Twin Dragons of Sabertooth and Rhodonite. As for the logo, there is no default series, so which one would we use as the default logo? I ended up just using a gif instead (cause I didn't know how to put a slideshow into that template without making it look messy). The fact that they even have their own separate logos in the first place should tell you they are two separate series, even if the volumes number them as the same series. Fairy Tail Gaiden is a meta-series, Twin Dragons of Sabertooth and Rhodonite are sub-series, so it only makes sense to use tabs. And honestly, I don't see the problem in using tabs, it doesn't always have to be one way or another, and in my opinion tabs are a good compromise on both ends. Even the light novels share the same numbering and author, should we merge all those into a single page too? Should we combine the portable guild video games into a single page too? Should we just put all the ice-make spells on a single page too? How bout the star dresses (as they are all technically one spell)? Obviously the answer to all those is no, but the point is that there are more than enough reasons to at least give them their own tabs. By creating tabs we acknowledge that they are all fall under the same meta-series, but also acknowledge that they are all their own distinct sub-series. In this case, all the volume numbering only means that it's the author's next spin-off.
If the official app and Kodansha USA see fit to separate them, then I don't see a problem with the wiki separating them either.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 01:56, April 29, 2016 (UTC)

I'm with whatever y'all are with, the tabbed page Duel made I see no problems with it. Looks clean Ncduru 04:55, April 29, 2016 (UTC)

There is an easy compromise here. We make Fairy Tail Gaiden a page and list general info about it there and then we use sub pages for Twin Dragons and Rhodonite with a tab connecting them. Easy-- God · Pray · 04:59,4/29/2016 

Not sure if you're joking or just didn't read, but what you just said had already been discussed, voted on an created. Only thing is there isn't info about the specific sub-series on the main Gaiden page (although I would happily add some if that's what everyone wants). But considering there are tabs right at the top of the page, it may be pointless to put info that's already on the sub pages on the main page.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 05:31, April 29, 2016 (UTC)

Not sure if you are joking or you just have reading comprehension problems but I said sub pages. As it stands now, Fairy Tail Gaiden Fairy Tail Gaiden: Rhodonite and Fairy Tail Gaiden: The Twin Dragons of Sabertooth are all separate pages. What I am proposing is we make Fairy Tail Gaiden the sole page with Fairy Tail Gaiden/Rhodonite and Fairy Tail Gaiden/The Twin Dragons of Sabertooth. Thats what subpages are. One series, one page, but as they have unique timelines, they can be split into subpages-- God · Pray · 05:37,4/29/2016 

Well they're pretty much the same thing anyway, except for the fact Twin Dragons of Sabertooth and Rhodonite are tied directly to Fairy Tail Gaiden. So in principle, what you suggested is pretty much the same thing as what's already been done. Really all you're suggesting is changing the name of the sub-series pages. Let's just keep it as it is now. That way, at least the sub-series full name is at the top of the page (and if we did change it, these pages would just be turned into re-directs anyway).--DuelMaster93 (talk) 05:52, April 29, 2016 (UTC)

No, what I am suggesting is we make proper sub pages instead of multiple pages with links to each other. The sub page functionality of mediawiki is perfect for these kinds of situations. This way there is only one unique page but sub pages to its two entities. Rhodonite and Twin Dragons are the same series, just with different timelines. They don't deserve full pages. Sub pages are fine-- God · Pray · 05:56,4/29/2016 

I don't see the point of what you are suggesting. There would be no difference except the name. Spells that are all one particular magic aren't sub-pages, so why should these be? And it's better to have the full proper name on top of the page.

And there are more differences then just timelines; different names, protagonist, cast of characters, logos, numbering (going by the official app), stories (as in, the stories are in no way connected, and one story doesn't a prelude or continuation of the other). The fact that the official app and Kodansha USA separates them is more than enough to show that they deserve their own separate pages.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 06:12, April 29, 2016 (UTC)

Except as Wrath clearly pointed out, they are NOT two series. It is a single one called Fairy Tail Gaiden. Chapter count hasn't been reset between the arcs. The fact that they are separated elsewhere means jack shit, Crunchyroll separates the Fairy Tail anime, but it is still one, single series. Miskos3 Message 06:34, April 29, 2016 (UTC)

The official Magazine Pocket app begs to differ. And the fairy tail anime, despite what people may say, share the same name, and is a direct continuation. There just so happens to be a 1-year break and changes to a few of the companies and staff involved, but it's still just called Fairy Tail, and A-1 is still the main studio. The circumstances are completely different--DuelMaster93 (talk) 06:40, April 29, 2016 (UTC)

No, they are quite similar. Crunchyroll is quite official in its own right... Miskos3 Message 06:43, April 29, 2016 (UTC)

And FUNimation, numbered them both as a single series, and I was told quite some time ago that that crunchyroll weren't official (at least not over funimation). Crunchyroll also used to categorize and name the One Piece and Naruto Shippuden anime seasons using fan-named arcs, despite the official japanese dvd releases categorizing them differently, before switching to official titles and categorization (and this was about 2 years ago). And, as I had clearly pointed out, they are both sub-series, and are treated as two different series by the official app and Kodansha USA.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 06:51, April 29, 2016 (UTC)

Right now, Crunchyroll is about as official of a publisher as Funimation is. In that regards, I see no reason to pay any attention to the pocket app when we have official volumes claiming otherwise: it is a single series. Miskos3 Message 06:58, April 29, 2016 (UTC)

Magazine Pocket is the official app in which it is serialized, which is just as official as the volumes. How can we not pay attention to it, when that's where it's serialized and is quite frankly the only primary source in which news, promotional images about Fairy Tail Gaiden is posted. Kodansha USA also considers them two different series. The fact that they have their own logos and promotional images is more than enough proof they are two different series. They are sub-series within a meta-series. They do exist, it's not always black and white. It doesn't have to be either separate or single. I don't see why we can't just use tabs. Hell, even god's sub-page is better than just putting it all on one page.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 07:06, April 29, 2016 (UTC)

Let's just go with god's idea cause all this is just going back and forth, I really don't see the problem with the tabbed pages cause they show the exact same thing that it would if it was in a single page... we can even list it under the "arcs" just how it is on amazon Ncduru 09:48, April 29, 2016 (UTC)

Bump. I agree with Wrath. Even the newest Laxus chapter says 'Ch 34 of the spin off series...' Miskos3 Message 17:58, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

And once again, the app lists it as chapter one. But whether it's 34 or 1 makes little difference, cause they are still sub-series with their own names, logos, stories, and numbering (going by the official app). It only makes sense to categorize the sub-series as tabbed pages, just like how the official app does. Putting it all on one page would just make a giant mess and cause confusion (a lot of people don't know the series are linked). As stated before, even Kodansha usa treats them as their own series. I honestly don't see the problem with how it is now. What would be the benefit of clunking them all on one page? The fairy tail gaiden page already acknowledges that they are all sub-series within a meta-series. Nothing good can come out of just putting it all on one page.

EDIT: After checking the raws, the last page that says 'chapter 1 raigo issen (chapter 34 of the spin-off series)' is just a duplicate page of the cover that was added by variationa (the scanlator). She just simply took the cover, removed the line about the volume release, Sand replaced it with her own line. She probably just added the page cause she was sick of manga sites posting her work without permission and/or giving credit. The page where we aee the messsage from the red princess is the last page, so your argument about the laxus spin-off series saying 'chapter 34 of the spin-off series' is invalid.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 23:10, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

???? I'm talking about the cover? I know the last page is a copy pasted cover? Miskos3 Message 04:44, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

Then why did you quote 'Ch 34 of the spin off series...' if you knew that? The last page isn't simply a copy pasted cover; she removed 'the newest volume 2 is on sale' and replaced it with

'Ch 34 of the spin off series...'. Simply put, the line you quoted was added by variationa and not in the raw. Look at the covers at the start and end. They are different and going by the raw, the one at the end is clearly altered.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 05:25, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

I really just don't see what's wrong with the format we have right now... it looks clean. I would say we can just list the chapter #'s starting from 1-34 but like duel said it's incorrect. I think we should just hit up variation and ask her for her opinion cause this isn't going anywhere Ncduru 01:45, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

It is not incorrect... This is one series, Fairy Tail Gaiden that is gathered in one bunch of volumes. In total, it has 34 chapters right now, with sub-arcs that deal with different characters, so to speak. Miskos3 Message 04:44, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

No they are sub-series. Abyss Horn arc and Obstone arc are arcs. Denish arc and Bambina Highway arc are arcs. There is no big overarching plot that connects any of these distinct stories, so they are not arcs. --DuelMaster93 (talk) 05:26, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

Plus with the number of gaidens so far, and who the main characters are, it seems likely that there will be a gaiden for the other dragon slayers. Plus with not know of how many chapters are for each gaiden, the main gaiden page would have a long list of chapters, characters, magic, etc.Animaltamer⁷01:56, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

Is this not clear enough .... Miskos3 Message 04:56, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

Just so you guys know, not all meta-series are handled the same. There are a lot of cases where the sub-series all share the same numbering, and a lot of cases where they don't. In some cases they choose one and then change it to other, but in this case it's clear as day that they are all sub-series (with their own names, logos, characters, stories) and should be treated as such. If it really bothers you that much, we can change chapter numbering or do something like eg. 2 (17). so that we acknowledge the numbering of both the volumes and the app (just like how using tabbed pages acknowledges that they are all apart of the fairy tail gaiden meta-series, but also acknowledges they are their own separate sub-series.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 05:49, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

Let's do this^, and just number them properly Ncduru 08:32, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

I don't read any of these series but, reading the discussion... does anybody actually have any real argument against God's proposal? It seems to satisfy both sides... --Sane Lunatic (talk) 09:59, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

Well god's proposal is literally the exact same thing we already have, except the page names are changed to Fairy Tail Gaiden/Rhodonite instead of Fairy Tail Gaiden: Rhodonite. There would be no difference except for a minor change to the page names. We might as well keep it the way it is so that the proper title is the page name. Changing the page names alone isn't gonna change anyone's minds.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 10:22, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

I believe there's a technical difference which we don't understand, DuelM. If the others do agree to having subpages, would you have any objections? --Sane Lunatic (talk) 10:26, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

I previously asked what would be difference but was given no answer. If someone could tell me what would be the difference other than the colon beong changed to a slash, then I would consider it.

But let's be honest here, neither Wrath or misk minds seemed to have changed after the sub-pages was suggested. But even if I did say yes to sub-pages, im sure they'll keep arguing cause there is no real difference.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 10:33, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

sane or misk fill me in what is the difference on God's prop? It does seem the same, but if it's better in some way let's just go with that, cause all this shit getting dumb. Ncduru 10:50, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

I had asked the question multiple times and no one has given me any answer as to what the difference would be (if any) aside from the minor name change. But again, this suggestion hasn't changed either misk ir Wraths minds.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 10:55, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

It does sound like a compromise, but... why? That'd be like making a tab for Tartaros arc at the FT series' page just because it had an official arc name and the whole prologue/part x stuff. Miskos3 Message 10:05, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

Iunno, but Tamer and others raised the point of the page becoming too cluttered. It actually seems valid, maybe? --Sane Lunatic (talk) 10:12, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

I've been said let's just go with God's idea. Slapping all 3 arcs into the gaiden page would look messy and unorganized fam... would remind me of the star dress page. Misk you and Duel both are right in this case but we should do a liberty for viewers by separating the story arcs of saber, gajeel, laxus so they don't get confused. Throwing everything on the one page just would look dumb to me Ncduru 10:18, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

@Misk No it wouldn't, cause Tartaros arc is apart of the chapter titles, not apart of a series called 'fairy tail tartaros arc' with it's own logo, characters and distinct story that takes place a different point in time.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 10:22, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

Look guys, we started with 2 Gaiden pages with no tabs. Wrath and misk wanted them all on one page. Then me, nc, hamody and animaltamer agreed that a main gaiden page and tabs would be a good compromise on both ends (cause, while still being separate, it acknowledges that they are all sub-series within a meta-series). A main gaiden page and tabs were made and wrath and misk still aren't happy with the compromise. I even offered to change the chapter numbering (which seems to be yheir only argument) on the individual pages as well as add specific sub-series on the main Gaiden page. Do you honestly think, simply changing the semi colon to a dash will change their minds? I don't think so. Every suggestion (including god's sub-page suggestion) they don't seem to accept.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 10:48, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

I'm not seeing any way in which the page would be cluttered. I really don't. At all. It's the Fairy Tail Gaiden series. Each "new" gaiden is just a new arc. However, we all agreed to have the spin-offs condensed onto one page way the fuck back when. Therefore, making a bunch of different pages isn't acceptable at all based on that discussion, because then it would be us making arc pages for the gaiden. Bottom line is that I'm just flat out putting my foot down. This should be non-negotiable. It is not, and I repeat, not our place to break this series up. These are not meta-series. These are arcs. So just like any other series ever that is a spin-off, all the information for the series goes down on one page. Fixing the numbering and then still separating all the pages does nothing and is nowhere near a compromise, in case you don't know what a compromise actually is. None of this is compromise. The numbering is the main point because it indicates that this is all the same damn series, and as such, if you break it up into "meta-series" or "arc pages" or whatever, then we're going against our own community decision and giving this series special treatment. You just make sections for the different gaiden arcs and then put all the information there. It's not complicated because there honestly isn't a lot of stuff; the page wouldn't have any kind of loading problems like Natsu's synopsis, which is arguably way more cluttered than this page could ever hope to be.

Tl;dr: If you want these pages all separate or whatever, go start a new discussion about reversing the spin-off condensation.
WrathZero 11:53, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

First of all, WE are not breaking up the series, Kodansha are. The magazine pocket app categorizes them as 3 separate series.The magazine pocket is owned and run by Kodansha; they are kodansha. Kodansha USA also has them separate. We are not the ones who gave them their names such Rhodonite and Twin Dragons of Sabertooth, kodansha did. They are NOT arcs. They are their own sub-series with their own distinct stories (which are all from an in-universe point of view, completely unrelated to each other). Obstone arc is an arc (stated by Kyuota Shibano himself). They are not just regular

arcs. They have their own separate names, logos, characters, timelines, distinct story lines, numbering (going by the magazine pocket app), categorization (also going by the official app) and promotional images for a reason; and that is because they are all indeed sub-series. There is no disputing that they are sub-series within a meta-series. And given that is the case, it only makes sense to seperate them and use tabs.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 12:35, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

I don't even have the strength anymore, but someone should really hit up variation to get her opinion, she would know better than any of us on this. She does have the pocket app. I'll ask Ummy

So basically it would go like "Chp33 Rhodoite -> Chp34 Flash of Great Lightning? And all the important terms would be all put together and all the protagonists would be all slapped together? In one column? Mane I just... don't... know about that all Ncduru 12:06, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

No, the important terms would be broken up by which gaiden they are used in. Everything would be broken up by gaiden, but it would just all be on one page, and in order of gaiden released.
WrathZero 12:07, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

What if the case a magic is used in one of the past gaidens, is used again in the new gaidens, Like we have Yukino used Celestial Spirit magic and then we have a mage that has CS magic as well in a new gaiden? or something like the slave master that used fir magic and then we have a new antagonist that is also capable of using fire magic in a different gaiden, both having no spells whatsoever?Animaltamer⁷12:12, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

You list it as having appeared as well under the other gaiden. It's basically a comprehensive list of the spells and magic used by wizards put in order of appearance. You don't simply skip over it because it appeared in an earlier arc. None of this is complicated.
WrathZero 12:16, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

I see, that literally sounds like what we have now but just in tabs but like I said let's get variation's opinion before we change anything, cause in a sense all we're arguing about is the format of it. Neither Duel or Misk is wrong. I'm thinking the whole time that the short summary chapter blogs would all be connected, making it look dumb and long as hell Ncduru 12:17, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

Miskos3 Message 12:22, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

I just asked Ummy, who asked Variationa, it's the same series but different arcs that continue off of each other, but Ummy said the format Duel has currently is perfectly fine, so Duel we'll have to number the chapters from 1-34 which isn't hard Ncduru 12:38, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

Ok, so the volume preview has been uploaded on kodansha's website, and according to the table of contents, the chapters have been re-numbered from 1 to final (technicaly 1-17):
^Clearly the chapters all sharing the same numbering is invalid now. Now, the app, the volumes and presumably the English volumes (since they were licensed seperately) all number the chapters seperately.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 11:33, May 11, 2016 (UTC)