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I think we have enough information from the last few chapters to add a personality section to his page, no? Kamikaze839 13:57, July 4, 2014 (UTC)
Yes. and you are welcome to add it whenever ready.17:51, July 4, 2014 (UTC)
I'm unable to edit the page, so I should tell you that the epithet "Absolute Zero" that he used as Silver is missing from his infobox.02:47,7/7/2014
Thank you Herman :D *huggles Herme* (~ ^__^)~07:33, July 7, 2014 (UTC)
Np *huggles Carry and then flips her skirt* ಠ◡ಠ00:49,7/8/2014
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I really think you should remove the image of Silver and replace it with the generic Deliora image - this is a huge spoiler for anyone who is not following the manga. There should probably actually be a page for each and spoiler tags at the top of the article. 22.214.171.124 10:15, July 7, 2014 (UTC)
As we have said millions of times over: the Fairy Tail Wiki will ALWAYS be up to date and have its articles fashioned around the release of the manga. Mystogan's article said he was a second Jellal way before it was animated, Ultear has a picture of her as an old lady even though she is still young in the anime. We are not required to alter our articles/censor them all over the place/hide information simply to cater to the anime only fans, who, if they were wise enough, would know that this wiki has spoilers because it always has. Even if we put an image of Deliora, what will that do? It literally says right next to it "Having stolen the corpse of Silver Fullbuster for his own personal use" and "For the father of Gray Fullbuster, see the article Silver Fullbuster", so I doubt one image would change anything.
Sorry to sound snarky, but I'm a little tired of people requesting that our articles be basically spoiler free, when anime viewers should know that the anime is significantly behind the manga and proceed with caution in the first place.10:26, July 7, 2014 (UTC)
Actually Carry, the anon is half right here. The Demon image should be ahead of the Human image. Just like how we had it for the time skip people until the anime reached that point. :P
14:23, July 7, 2014 (UTC)
I thought the decision was to universally put the "current" appearance as the first one, I don't really remember the anime being caught up or not playing any role in that. Otherwise, Granny Ultear wouldn't be the first image in the switch either..?14:50, July 7, 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, Granny Ultear should be placed after her time skip until the anime reaches that point. And as for the "current" thing, that's not something that we can do for the Demons, since they can switch from one form to the other. So there really is no "current" for them.
15:03, July 7, 2014 (UTC)
As his human form is the form he is most at currently, that's what should go on his infobox first, then the demon form.16:41, July 7, 2014 (UTC)
- ^ Yeah, I was under the impression that this is how we usually did it 16:43, July 7, 2014 (UTC)
Whilst I agree with Carry and Reli completely, I have to say that I don't see how switching the images around will still make the article spoiler-free and anime-only friendly. This is a major antagonist who has had a large involvement in both the past and current arcs, and in the introductory statement it clearly says that Deliora stole Silver Fullbuster's body and that he's a member of Tartarus. Switching the pictures around won't change anything; the people will just be like "Oh, I wonder what Deliora looks like as a human" and look anyway, and just continue to complain about how our wiki is "full of spoilers". Either way someone will just bitch and moan, so why cater to them knowing that they will find some fault and call the wiki out on something that we know is right? Current appearances are what matter, and switching the images around also keeps us not up to date, as we are not prioritizing their general appearance at the point we are currently in.
16:52, July 7, 2014 (UTC)
@Wrath I don't think Mega was changing it to cater to the anon, I think he was just saying that the human form should go last because it wasn't in anime form yet, and that was how we did it in the past. With that being said, I don't think there's any set in stone rules about how to handle this because with Ultear we have her granny appearance first even though it isn't in anime form. I don't want to set a rule in stone about how to handle situations like these because each and every case is different and I believe each case should be handled on a case by case basis. In this particular case, however, I agree with Yummy and Reli. The human form should go first. Mainly because I believe that infoboxes should, for the most part, show current appearances.17:44,7/7/2014
- Wasn't really going for this anon in particular, just going for anime-only people in general, who have in the past launched ridiculous complaints at us. ;p
17:48, July 7, 2014 (UTC)
- Ah, わかりました！！ >:D 17:50,7/7/2014
I don't know man, I am with Mega on this one, because I hated getting spoiled before catching up to the manga D: it's not that big of a deal to switch around the images anyway.
Eh...that's where I disagree. :3 It's not prioritizing the current events in the manga, and switching the images around won't change the fact that "Silver" redirects to Deliora, or the fact that in the introductory statement there's a line that says Gray's father's corpse is his host body, nor will it change the fact that the first image that is almost directly under this is a full-body shot of Silver. ;D
21:52, July 7, 2014 (UTC)
Bottom line is, it sucks to get spoiled and I hate it as well, but if you don't want that to happen, YOU are to make precautions. Do not come to a wiki that is full of spoilers just to bitch at us afterwards. Our main focus is the manga so nobody should expect us to exclude any spoiler-ish information just because someone only watches anime. It may sound mean, but that's how it is. Because you know, the same logic can be applied to manga readers who aren't caught up with the latest chapter(s) yet.22:38, July 7, 2014 (UTC)
Okay, I know this whole discussion started off as a rant by that anon about spoilers, but spoilers aren't the issue here. In no way and I mean no way whatsoever do we cater to anime-only viewers or viewers who aren't caught up to the latest chapter in the manga. We are an encyclopedia dedicated to documenting Fairy Tail which means we include all the information we are given about Fairy Tail. If people don't want to be spoiled, then they should't come here. With all that being said, this discussion is really just deciding what order we are placing Deliora's images. And our decision should have absolutely nothing to do with which versions may or may not spoil people more because we don't censor spoilers ever. :P22:54,7/7/2014
Support - Demon. I don't mind having the Silver pic there, but Deliora is the Demon Deliora~ Eentually he will throw Silver's body away and just walk around like he used to using his Demon body. ( .__.)~
23:13, July 7, 2014 (UTC)
- The options for voting are supporting having human first or having demon first. Your vote can be considered a bit ambiguous, so change it to fit the current voting options biotch. :P 23:42,7/7/2014
Support - Human. Just like Ultear has Oldtear, everyone had post-TS images before the anime aired the timeskip and Mystogan has an image of him without a mask. Wrath put it perfectly: Silver bloody redirects to Deliora, so if someone goes to Del's page and sees Silver, how is that different to the going to Silver's page and being redirected to Deliora? Silver and Deliora, whether we like it or not, are now one and the same, impossible to split. As such, why should we ruin the layout we have always had of having the most recent appearance first by having Del's Demon form first when Silver is the latest and most up to date appearance that he has been using? Human form with Demon in the flip. End comment. 00:25, July 8, 2014 (UTC)
I can't believe that Jakky opened up a vote that is something stupid as this one. Though what's more unbelievable are the people who bitch and complain a lot but doesn't even take time to think shit. This is a wiki, for fucks sake. Sigh. Anyways, it's obvious that my support goes to the Human form.
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- This is a community vote, not a blog Nunu. If you are going to vote, keep it civil. 02:50,7/8/2014
- You rock Herme :3 Fuck you Rai :D
02:13, July 8, 2014 (UTC)
- Lol, I'll be completely ignoring both of you Mexicans' votes! :D 02:50,7/8/2014
How come he article still doesn't say anything about Silver?
- Because the manga is way past this part already. Take from that what you will.
19:19, September 19, 2015 (UTC)