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Kurohebi[]
What are we going to do with this page? It's the name of Kurohebi's Magic but the page is about transformation... 
20:52, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
Depends. Was Gemini's magic ever specified as Mimicry, or did we make it up as a branch of Transformation? talk Garyness 21:00, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
Branch of Transformation. But Gemini's Magic and Kurohebi's Magic are too similar to be put into separated articles in my opinion. What about changing the description to "A Magic that allows the user to copy the Magic of near Mages", then state that "The Celestial Spirit Gemini and the Lizardmen also mimic the appearance of the Mage"? Herme21:01,3/30/2012
Kind of an hard decision... We should ask Chaos for the kanji and romaji for the "Mimicry Magic" introduced in this chapter and see whether he thinks there are significative differences between the two forms of Magic.
-- Aldarinor 
Talk Contribs 21:04, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
Maybe change the description of the Magic to what Guil said and add Transformation to Gemini and Lizardmen's Pages... 21:05, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
Chaos will delay a little to get Chapter 277. So what about doing what Tut said? Herme21:09,3/30/2012
I think it's obvious what we should do. Gemini and the Lizardmen were never stated to use Mimicry. It's an unofficially entitled article and now that there is an official Magic with this name, we need to remove all of this stuff about Gemini and Lizardmen to another page. Similar Magic does not = the same Magic. Kurohebi just mimics Magic, not appearance and you can't just randomly claim they are the same because that's speculation. At any rate, this needs to be handled soon because not only is Kurohebi's page linking to this Magic, anyone searching for his Magic would find this. Iam... 06:45,3/31/2012 JakuhōRaikōben
So you're saying that we remove all the contents and start from scratch? xD 06:50, March 31, 2012 (UTC)
Why not just rename this "Copy Magic" so that their will still be a page for Gemini and the Lizardmen's Magic? 06:53, March 31, 2012 (UTC)
To be honest....yes. We say Gemini and the Lizardmen use the same Magic....but they don't. Gemini copies appearance and Magic, just because the Lizardmen can copy Magic doesn't mean they can copy appearance. This entire page is built of speculation and it needs to be obliterated to make room for actual facts. If the stuff about Gemini is kept it needs to be moved to another page under another name and the Lizardmen stuff needs to be separated. -- Iam... 06:53,3/31/2012 JakuhōRaikōben
Could we please hurry up and make a decision on this?? I don't want this discussion to be forgot about for weeks... Iam... 22:39,3/31/2012 JakuhōRaikōben
Ok, we'll do what you said, but you really want to create two another pages? Herme22:42,3/31/2012
August[]
My english is bad, sorry. I'm speak in Portuguese.
Copy Magic não pode ser a magia do August, pois como ela é uma magia de transformação, pode-se copiar os objetos das pessoas que se copia. Gemini copiou lucy e pôde usar seus espíritos, e seu chicote. Lizardman copiou algumas partes dos corpos dos magos, e as armas da Erza, por exemplo. Magia do August teria que ser Mimic, como Kurohebi. Ela copia apenas as magias de seus oponentes, e não copia seus objetos. —This unsigned comment was made by Danii28008 (talk • contribs) .
I only used google translate so i might have not understood your message accurately but copy magic isnt exclusively a transformation magic its just one of its features meaning it can copy someones magic and image, august just copied their magic not their image so that proves that it isnt a requirement for someone to transform their physical features to use the said magic. also according to ncduru in this link there was a raw stating that august used this exact magic. so until proven that there isnt then all the pages stating that august used copy magic will remain atm.
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Eu usei apenas o Google translate, então eu talvez não tenha entendido sua mensagem com precisão, mas a mágica de cópia não é exclusivamente uma mágica de transformação, é apenas uma das suas características, o que significa que pode copiar a magia e a imagem, agosto apenas copiou sua magia e não a imagem deles, de modo que prova que ela Não é um requisito para alguém transformar suas características físicas para usar a referida magia. Também de acordo com o ncduru neste link houve uma afirmação crua de que agosto utilizava essa magia exata. Então, até comprovar que não há, então, todas as páginas indicando que a mágica de cópia usado de agosto permanecerá atm.) LightningGeist
03:28, July 8, 2017 (UTC)
I do have a question about August's Copy Magic. I don't know if it's because Copy Magic differs from each user, but the page states that when you copy someone's magic, it lasts for a maximum of five minutes. But as we see in August's fight against Gildarts, he uses his spells Sink, Rip, Blast and Realize. LightningGeist, as you explained to me once, August has been shown to be able to copy Fire Dragon Slaying Magic, so is it possible that he's also using Fire Dragon Slaying Magic when he uses the spell Blast? Also, we don't know exactly how long the fight between August vs Cana and Gildarts lasted in world, but after August copied Gildarts' Crash Magic, 5 minutes definitely seemed to have passed and August was seen still being able to use it. Oh, also wanted to point out that August's spell Sink is similar to Richard Buchanan's Earth Magic spell Liquid Ground. --Zachary1969 (talk) 01:01, December 9, 2019 (UTC)
I get what you mean but keep in mind august's and gildart's fight is expanded in the anime only so their fight does seems to be longer but in the end the official manga never point it out so us saying it happened in a specific length of time would be speculative or fanmade.
Lastly in the manga august never used those other spells, when he used Sink, Rip, Blast and Realize two of those are easy to determine being related to gildart's magic and wind magic, but the blast and sink spell are more complicated, some might say the blast spell is just a fire magic spell, explosion magic spell or fire dragon slayer magic spell and the sink might be a his version of liquid ground, or just a different version of phasing magic but in the end its just gonna be us viewers speculating what they are, so the best all we can do is put them under uncategorized spell for now.
Keep in mind August is still the strongest male shield of spriggan so him knowing various magic and spells aside from copying other peoples magic is not impossible especially when he was shown using different forms of magic and abilities. So its likely that the anime expanded his list of abilities and included blast and sink without revealing what kind of magic they are. What do you think? LightningGeist 12:14, December 9, 2019 (UTC)
Well, first off, I do agree that August and Gildarts' fight in only expanded in the anime so at this point it's speculation. However, keep in mind, it doesn't state whether or not their fight lasted for five minutes. And I do realize that Sink, Rip, Blast and Realize are anime spells, however there have been some anime episodes in which Mashima has considered them canon, if I remember correctly. To support Blast being Fire Dragon Slaying Magic, I also remember you saying that August using Fire Dragon Slaying Magic to create such spells is not an impossibility, such as when Natsu was fighting Erigor of Eisenwald, he adjusted the density of his fire to make a makeshift rope to prevent himself from falling and Natsu also enveloped himself in fire to deprive Erigor of his wind armor. So August using Fire Dragon Slaying Magic to cast Blast isn't an impossibility.
Sink might be categorized as a version of Liquid Ground, because as far we know, August hasn't encountered an opponent who uses phasing magic. And Liquid Ground is one of the Earth Magic spells Hot-Eye uses.
However, as you say it's speculation at this point. August knowing various types of magic can be supported by these facts. We know that August was conceived in the year X697 and the war was in the year X792, so that's 95 years in between. We don't know when August was born or how old he was when Zeref discovered him, so it's an estimate, but 95 years does seem like an appropriate length of time for August to study various types of magic. However, the argument against that, is that neither the manga or anime shows August's time in the Alvarez Empire, so we don't know if he did study other magic besides Copy Magic. However, August does seem to display an extensive/encyclopedic knowledge of magic as he was able to instantly determine that Hyperion of the Four Gods of Ishgar was using Vampire Magic against God Serena. But then again, whether or not this is due to August copying Hyperion's magic, we do not know since when one uses Copy Magic against an opponent, the amount of information that the user can access is limited to the knowledge that the genuine counterpart is actually aware of and nothing more beyond that. But again we don't know whether or not August did do that.
Anyway, those are my thoughts on the subject. What do you think? Zachary1969 (talk) 18:41, March 27, 2020 (UTC)
I get what you mean but in the end we can't really say where august learned those anime only spells without depending on speculations. LightningGeist 23:18, March 27, 2020 (UTC)