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Brandish μ

I was wondering, should Brandish's name be changed to "Brandish μ" instead? I doubt that the Greek Alphabet has any real importance just like many how speculated on many Antagonist teams.--CNBA3 (talk) 20:36, June 30, 2015 (UTC)

Apparently we will be able to tell more from the raw once it's out, so we're waiting Miskos3 Message 20:44, June 30, 2015 (UTC)

The "μ"

Is it confirmed whether the "μ" in Brandish'es name is her last name, a honorific or a part of her first name? I was wondering because when I edited her article I went by the thought that it's a part of her first name, and, as such I added the "μ" to her name in every place it was written. But I am starting to have second thoughts... because if it is not in fact a part of her first name, according to an articles standards it should be removed, right? Cheers Onfire.gif Wonder Talk 21:01, July 6, 2015 (UTC)

I personally think it's fine to list her Brandish, regardless of the status of μ. ChaosKnight 21:08, July 6, 2015 (UTC)

I'm with Chaos. Typing the 'μ' whenever she is mentioned in the articles sounds quite stupid imo. Miskos3 Message 21:12, July 6, 2015 (UTC)

Should it be removed again then? Onfire.gif Wonder Talk 21:15, July 6, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it definitely should. ^___^ Iam...    JakuhōRaikōben 21:20,7/6/2015
Should it be removed when she's linked as well or only when she's named mid-article (if you know what I mean). Btw, hi dad, long time no see. Onfire.gif Wonder Talk 21:28, July 6, 2015 (UTC)
If she's linked like on a chapter page or something of that sort, her full name should be used. If it's just mid-article, then only "Brandish" is necessary. And hey son!! It feels like it's been forever! ^___^ Iam...    JakuhōRaikōben 21:33,7/6/2015
Yeah, I understand. I think we've already got rid of it though, so yeah. It has really been forever hasn't it! I've been focusing on other stuff, but now I'm actually back and ready to edit regularly as a member of the Wiki. Cheers dad Onfire.gif Wonder Talk 21:42, July 6, 2015 (UTC)
I'm really glad to hear that!! It's always great to have some good editors on the site!! ^___^ Iam...    JakuhōRaikōben 21:51,7/6/2015
Yeah, thanks!Onfire.gif Wonder Talk 21:56, July 6, 2015 (UTC)

I too think it should be droppe. Jura isn't called Jura 5 or something similar either, just because he's the fifth' strongest Wizard Saint... assuming that the μ is about rank or power-level within the Spriggans. NoNickNeeded (talk) 21:24, July 6, 2015 (UTC)

I kinda view it as a surname of sorts, but I guess we may never know. xD Miskos3 Message 21:35, July 6, 2015 (UTC)
I viewed it as a rank, which is why I wasn't really sure why we had it attached to her name, but everyone else seems to think it's a surname, so until we get some more Spriggans appearing and shedding some light, surname it is I 'spose. :D Iam...    JakuhōRaikōben 21:38,7/6/2015
Same here, μ being the 12th letter of the greek alphabet and her being the 12th Spriggan, I always viewed it as a rank or a title(like Franmalth being the Armored Shell but not included in his name)
RavenMestSting Anime Square(S)talk21:42,7/6/2015
I never even considered the possibility of it being her surname until Miskos mentioned it above... I still don't think it is. NoNickNeeded (talk) 22:08, July 6, 2015 (UTC)
I guess we could find out by looking at the raws, on those 'intro cards' or what to call them, the letter μ is written together with her name, so what about Franmalth's and such? Anyone knows? Miskos3 Message 16:00, July 7, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, first, where are people getting the idea that Brandish is the "12th" Spriggan, it is not confirmed.

Second, I think the μ should stay as it is part of her name. It would be weird to leave it out. Not everyone has to use her full name every time.--CNBA3 (talk) 00:08, July 7, 2015 (UTC)

If we see any other Spriggan 12 characters with greek alphabet letters next to their names, we can safely assume its their rank. Otherwise, I'm indifferent whether we keep the Mu or not.
:Umnei:Juvia'sPictureForUmneiSignature 09:51, July 7, 2015 (UTC)

So, until we eventually get to see other members of the Spriggan 12 for confirmation about the meaning of the 'μ', we'll let it stay in her article name and include it whenever she's linked on other pages? Onfire.gif Wonder Talk 10:36, July 7, 2015 (UTC)

Can I just say that assuming that it has something to do with a rank is major speculation? Even if the other Spriggans (discounting God Serena) have Greek letters in their names, what does it matter? It's like Misk and I were talking about. Mashima is just getting original with names. It is written like a name, and was given in the name box, no less. Mu is just her last name. Like, seriously, let's not make a big deal about it. If the next Spriggan is Whateverthefuck λ (Lambda), then that's their name too. It isn't hard to figure out, it's just different from what we're used to. >__>
WrathRogue ChibiZero 17:50, July 7, 2015 (UTC)

It is indeed speculation, which is precisely why Mu is still listed as her last name at this moment. No one is saying that Mu can't be her last name, we just think it could be her rank. Which is possible considering that it's the 12th letter of the greek alphabet and there are twelve Spriggans. And as far as it appearing in her name space, this isn't the first time something other than a character's name appeared in their name box. The Nine Demon Gates' alias' were given in their name boxes after all. Until we get confirmation one way or the other, obviously the Greek symbols will be considered last names. But let's not pretend that it's not worth discussing. Iam...    JakuhōRaikōben 18:02,7/7/2015
It's not about it just appearing in the name space. It's about it being written exactly like how Hiro Mashima writes his names. And yes, the 9DG had their aliases written in the name boxes as well, however most of them were followed by the character "no", which indicates that it's something they're to be known by (as in an alias), which is why Franmalth's name with title is Franmalth the Armored (堅甲のフランマルス). And yes, there are indeed 12 Spriggans, however the name of one of them is God Serena, and unless his name is changed to God Beta or some shit later on, then there really shouldn't be any doubt to it. It really isn't worth discussing whether or not it's a last name until it's made clear in the story that they may or may not be names at all. And last time I checked, all the Spriggans were stated to be equal in power, both by Hyberion and Brandish herself, so having a ranking system is total bs anyway if they're merely personal guards for the king of Albareth.
WrathRogue ChibiZero 18:23, July 7, 2015 (UTC)
Yes, because Franmalth's "the armored" is an alias. If Mu was a rank, then to the best of my knowledge the "no" character wouldn't have been included with it. Also, we know virtually nothing about the Spriggans as of this moment. So I don't consider God Serena's lack of a symbol as anything that excludes the symbols from being ranks yet. And furthermore, I think it would be pretty ridiculous if there was no strength difference between 12 different people who all presumably possess different Magic and abilities. I viewed Hyberion/Brandish's statements as saying that they were more or less around the same power level rather than them all being the same strength. And I'm sorry, but if damn near ten people are commenting, then it's obviously something that's worth discussing. No one here is trying to make any sort of a decision about the situation. We're all just giving opinions and how we viewed the situation, and as a matter of fact, I don't think anyone here suggested changing anything without further information. So, I'll say again, no one is saying that Mu isn't her last name, but some of us think it's a rank. But, and I'll say this again as well, no one is suggesting making any changes until we get confirmation one way or the other. :/ Iam...    JakuhōRaikōben 18:50,7/7/2015

Brandish's Magic

I went online to read Crunchyroll's translation and apparently, it's specified that she uses "transformation magic" used at an increidbly advanced level (transforming mass instead of to something else, I suppose). I feel this should be investigated further. Perhaps the wikia's user translator can take a look at it. :/ JayAaerow (talk) 03:09, July 15, 2015 (UTC)

That seems more like a general mention rather than a specific mention of the completely unrelated Transformation Magic, and even if it was, no other translator mentioned anything of the sort. We'll know more when Chaos sees the raw, but I doubt there was any kind of specified Magic name. :P Iam...    JakuhōRaikōben 03:26,7/15/2015

  • Yeah. I get it but I just wanted to put that out here just in case someone had their own two-sense of this. From my understanding, she "would" use transformation magic to not alter her appearance like other but actually alter the "form" of people or things. Transforming by definition after all doesn't pertain to solely appearance. ;D JayAaerow (talk) 04:41, July 15, 2015 (UTC)

Should her magic have it's own separate page? {Ncduru (talk) 22:44, August 3, 2015 (UTC)}

Not quite yet. We'll wait until we know more about it. Iam...    JakuhōRaikōben 22:50,8/3/2015

Also the way Brandish transported back the ship, seems as though she has teleportation magic... agree? {Ncduru (talk) 00:03, August 10, 2015 (UTC)}

Sorry, but that would be major speculation. If we can't confirm anything with solid references, it won't go on the article. Onfire.gif Wonder Talk 00:20, August 10, 2015 (UTC)

I think it's basically explained what her magic can do now: change the size proportions and mass of anything: objects, people and for the picture of the page we could use a before and after of caracol island or a mini marin so we're all good with making the page now? NcduruRavens wallpaper (2)11:15,9/18/2015

Yep, I guess we are. *shrugs* Onfire.gif Wonder Talk 12:23,9/18/2015

Teleportation Magic?

In this part [1] you can see easily that she teleported back to the ship. It can be considered her magic? DisneySeggewys (talk) 00:50, August 23, 2015 (UTC)

Possibly, but, although unlikely, it could also have been another kind of Magic. We can't put it into the article until we know for sure that it was Teleportation Magic; putting such info now would be equivalent to speculation. Onfire.gif Wonder Talk 08:48,8/23/2015

But what if she never teleports again?

Klainatta (talk) 19:35, September 10, 2015 (UTC)

Already asked G... when her battle comes up most of her magic will probably be confirmed.. so far she has Matter Manipulation magic and Teleportation magic but can't completely confirm the second until more, although i'd be in favor of adding it in. Gotta see what kind of magic she used to kill Marin too cause it all could tie in together--Ncduru (talk) 19:58, September 10, 2015 (UTC)

Quote

This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion is:
Brandish will not have a head quote yet.
Please do not edit this discussion.

So yeah just want to get this out the way: I have no problems at all with her quote, matter I love it cause it was just a overall badass moment from her and something we've been seeing hella often from her character, so it doesn't matter if changes or stays. That being said I rather get the wiki's opinion on it cause I think there'll be people who will like the proposed quote... since it kinda, sorta, really perfectly describes her character... just reading it makes me say "yeah that's Brandish for you" in my head lol. If anything is wrong with the current it's cause it describes more of Alvarez's power and less of Brandish's way of thinking. But shoot your votes below

Current
"Consider this a warning: Stay away from us. There are twelve wizards in Alvarez of my caliber. It would be ill-advised to start a war you have no chance of winning."

—Brandish to Fairy Tail in "And the Land Just Vanished"

Proposed
"How I feel and what I do are two different things. It might be annoying, but if it's an order, you know I'll follow through on it."

—Brandish to Emperor Spriggan in "Prelude to the Final Battle"

Support
  1. Support Support - It is better as a main quote 'cuz more about Brandish than the situation. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 16:35, October 29, 2015 (UTC)
  2. Support Support - The current quote, in all honesty of my personal opinion, leaves an impression of her as an arrogant Mage, something which I hardly believe is true. The proposal, though, reflects more of her character. :P
    DispellingJellal chibiMage11:36,10/30/2015
  3. Support Support - going with flow NcduruRavens wallpaper (2)11:47,10/30/2015
  4. Support Support - I don't really feel any of them tbh; both of the quotes kind of contradicts her true personality... but meh, I'll bite. Onfire.gif Wonder Talk 17:24,10/30/2015
  5. Support Support -CS crownAnimaltamer703:14, October 31, 2015 (UTC)
  6. Support Support - Israel04 (talk)
Oppose
  1. Oppose Oppose - The quote should be indicative of a person's personality. Neither of these really indicate her personality but the first one more so than the proposal. We need a quote that demonstrates how she finds everything such a pain or her love of cute things. A quote of her following orders is not a good change since she never follows orders.-- God · Pray · 03:37,10/31/2015 
  2. Oppose Oppose - He's right. :/
    WrathRogue ChibiZero 03:50, October 31, 2015 (UTC)
  3. Oppose Oppose - Agreed. ( .___.) Iam...    JakuhōRaikōben04:34,10/31/2015
  4. Oppose Oppose - Agreed. 0FairyChibi Zeref fanartTalk 10:29, November 2, 2015 (UTC)
Neutral
  1. Neutral Neutral - I hope we'll get something good from her in the next chapter(s). NoNickNeeded (talk) 17:33, October 30, 2015 (UTC)
  2. Neutral Neutral - Jeladriel (talk) 02:23, November 1, 2015 (UTC)
  3. Neutral Neutral - I'd rather have neither just quietly, but w/e .-. ☆°・*CarrotSays...*・°☆ 01:24, November 4, 2015 (UTC)
Deleted Votes

Neutral Neutral - I'll change my vote when I get off work, just want to see which quote everyone else is feeling NcduruRavens wallpaper (2)16:23,10/29/2015

Comments

Having talked this over with several people, I think we should just put both quotes in the quotes section and neither goes on the top. Both aren't very good and don't really show her personality. For a top quote, lets just wait until she has an actual good quote-- God · Pray · 01:32,11/4/2015 

+1
WrathRogue ChibiZero 01:34, November 4, 2015 (UTC)
^^I approve of that idea. Onfire.gif Wonder Talk 08:28,11/4/2015
Me too. +1 NoNickNeeded (talk) 10:13, November 4, 2015 (UTC)

Well, could just add the 'No Quote' proposal to the above discussion, but might as well start a new vote. *shrugs* --Sane Lunatic (talk) 09:28, November 6, 2015 (UTC)

There is no need for a vote. Neither displays her actual personality. They both suck. We have a policy for quotes, and the policy isn't met with either. Discussion moot, move to quote section, remove from top.
WrathRogue ChibiZero 09:43, November 6, 2015 (UTC)

Age

According to Layla, Lucy and Brandish had similar ages as kids...so Lucy currently is 18 or 19, she was frozen in Tenrou for 7 years. That'd mean Brandish is 26 right? This is nothing official, official I mean as in Mashima said nothing, this is a simple gather of information Death's Surgeon死デスの公衆衛生局 (Going To End Your Life) 16:28, January 10, 2016 (UTC)

Actually she would be 24-25, but it's speculation even though I do want to put it in her bio but can't really cause hiro said "around". If he said the same age it would be cool NcduruRavens wallpaper (2) 16:37, January 10, 2016 (UTC)

Because it was said she is around Lucy's age, there is a wide variance of ages she could be since that term is not specific enough. She could be anywhere in her 20s really. Therefore we cannot add it-- God · Pray · 17:01,1/10/2016 

Well, that's fair enough! Thanks for answering :) Death's Surgeon死デスの公衆衛生局 (Going To End Your Life) 18:23, January 10, 2016 (UTC)

Teleportation

Can Brandish use Teleportation Magic or is just another aspect of her Mass Manipulation Magic? There was an instance where she instantly teleported from Caracolle Island after she shrank it at the end of chapter 443. Also, Marin wasn't around when it happened. Super Kami Guru (Swiggity swass, I'm gonna violate 'dat ass!) 16:08, April 15, 2016 (UTC)

Marin was around yes, he was just shrunken Nameless Knight名も無きん者騎士 (SUMMON ME) 00:18, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

weakness of mass manipulation

I see in chap 500, Brandish can't use her magic on Neinhart(Enchantment) so should we write about the weakness of Brandish's magic(mass manipulation) or write about Irene's Enchantment when she can make Brandish can't change Neinhart's size and mass. Hewa Fort (talk) 13:08, September 9, 2016 (UTC)

you are free to add it, just make sure you reference the chapter page :)--73.191.17.103 14:05, September 9, 2016 (UTC)

The problem I see with writing something about it is that we don't know what Brandish was even trying that didn't work. How are we to write a good and accurate summary when we don't know such a basic thing? Brandish tried to do something but it didn't work due to Irene's enchantment? Doesn't sound like something that should go in an article. NoNickNeeded (talk) 14:18, September 9, 2016 (UTC)

I agree with Nick on this. True, we do know that she utlises Mass Manipulation, but that's what we saw, i.e. it doesn't have to be the only Magic she uses. As such, it would be better to leave as is now, in my honest opinion
DispellingSiegrain ChibiMage14:23,9/9/2016

Even if we knew it was mass manipulation, what was she trying to manipulate? Herself, Neinhart or the air of the storm? Maybe the ground to raise it up as a shield? Or shrink the ground beneath Neinhart open up a big hole beneath him?
It is quite a difference whether the enchantment only immunized Neinhart himself against Brandish's magic or whether this storm he summoned is suppressing her powers and without knowning what Brandish was trying to manipulate, we can't really judge that IMO. NoNickNeeded (talk) 14:41, September 9, 2016 (UTC)

True. Either way, better not to add anything right now DispellingSiegrain ChibiMage14:44,9/9/2016

I'm fairly certain it can be worded in a way that's vague enough though Miskos3 Message 15:20, September 9, 2016 (UTC)

I thought Irene just made Neinhart so strong that area-affecting magics like that can't work on him. .-. And to say that we don't know if she was using mass manipulation on him is ludicrous. That's her only magic. It's speculation to say that she has more than one.
WrathRogue ChibiZero 15:24, September 9, 2016 (UTC)

Feel free to review the recent addition Miskos3 Message 15:34, September 9, 2016 (UTC)

Cool :o DispellingSiegrain ChibiMage15:38,9/9/2016

About me, I think we don't know a lot of weakness of Brandish's magic or know about the enchantment of Irene. I think we shouldn't write any things now. We should write when it's clearly.Hewa Fort (talk) 17:02, September 10, 2016 (UTC)

clothes

chp 500
volume 55

based off the color page in 500, Brandish has purple nail polish, at least on her feet but probably on her fingers too since it's the same shade. If the speculation is that deep we don't have to add the fingernails one. I thought it was just a scantlator mistake but she really does have that. Not the problem, but her jacket is brownish in this color page but the volume cover is gold. Just wanted to make sure I'm on the same page but volume stuff > manga stuff right? Cause if so her jacket color in her appearance should be gold and her nail polish color should be added as purple. Wanted to mention this before adding Ncduru 01:21, September 10, 2016 (UTC)

I think we shouldn't write about it just when we have the exactly like anime maybe Hewa Fort (talk) 16:53, September 10, 2016 (UTC)

Brandish's status in the spriggan 12

Since Brandish has joined FT's side and is considered to have betrayed Alvarez by two of the 12, should she be relabelled as a former shield or is it a bit too early?(Delta3000 (talk) 21:19, October 2, 2016 (UTC))

Brandish has never stated to have joined Fairy Tail's side. In, fact, she went out of her way to say the opposite. What she has been doing is showing compassion to three specific members of the guild and is currently wounded and in the company of a Fairy Tail medic. The minute that the emperor considers her to be a traitor or Brandish outright says, "I am defecting," then she will be listed as a former shield.
WrathRogue ChibiZero 21:28, October 2, 2016 (UTC)

fair enough from an editing her profile standpoint, but story-wise what you say and what you do are two different things; I mean she has given out information about her comrades, willingly; negotiated with August on FT's behalf; she attempted to attack Neinheart and had Dimaria restrained.--Delta3000 (talk) 21:55, October 2, 2016 (UTC)

Mistake in paragraph

Attached to this post is a screenshot of a paragraph of the synopsis on Brandish. It says she's holding a shrunken Brandish, when she's really holding a shrunken DiMaria. If someone can fix it (Wrath, maybe?), then it would be great. Thank you. :) Kid88 (talk) 00:00, February 26, 2017 (UTC)

Done. Deleting the screenshot as it's not needed anymore ;) Miskos3 Message 00:08, February 26, 2017 (UTC)

English actor

Rewatching the English dubbed version of Fairy Tail: Dragon Cry, I found two actors with unattributed roles listed between Catelyn and Animus, exactly like the Japanese credits. The female actor of the two is Amber Lee Connors (Wikipedia link included). Seeing how the Japanese actor is included, may we add this one? SubZeroSilver (talk) 16:33, November 9, 2018 (UTC)

Since the english and japanese version of the movie follows the same credits list format and the japanese voice actor is added then i guess for uniformity the english voice actor should also be added.LightningGeistLaxus Chibi 16:48, November 9, 2018 (UTC)

Currently, I don't see the purpose of specifying the appearance in "Dragon Cry" only for the English actor and not the Japanese one, since the Japanese actor hasn't been confirmed for the TV series, either. And because the movie is the only voiced appearance we have of her so far, and that there's no confirmation that the English actor will be changed in the future, we should remove the note altogether. The same goes for Invel's article. SubZeroSilver (talk) 22:21, November 9, 2018 (UTC)

Brandish Teleportation Off Caracole island/Lucy’s Apartment

Should we add teleportation? In the manga she left the shrunken Caricole Island by teleportation, and when she shrunk Lucy’s appartement she appeared outside of it, although there is only one entrance and one exit out of her appartement, and when she narrowly got out of the house, brandish was already waiting for her, altough she did not move of an inch when the house was being shrunk down. Should we add teleportation? Or do you guys think marin hollow dit it ( the first one it would make sense since he was still alive but we though he was dead, but when she shrunk lucky’s house and appeared outside of it immediately, Lucy had captured marin hollow with her, brandish’s subordinate that can teleport, so that he would note be able to use his magic against her on Brandish’s behalf. So ? What does you guys think ?

We don't know if brandish actually used teleportation magic since the official manga & anime never mentioned it even once, first she was shown teleporting from the caracole island and into the alvarez ship but it was revealed that marin who is her subordinate & can use teleportation magic as part of his main magic was actually alive making it unclear if she actually used teleportation magic or it was just marin teleporting themselves away from caracole island. As seen in episode 287 & chapter 443.

Next brandish appearing in lucy's bathroom in episode 291 & chapter 455, none of those mentioned brandish teleporting herself and as revealed marin is also with her. Her not moving an inch when using her magic to shrink the lucy's apartment has nothing to do with teleportation magic, since brandish's signature theme is to make anything including herself big or small as seen in chapter 456 & episode 292.

Brandish appearing outside lucy's apartment possibly makes her have teleportation magic but keep in mind lucy was just holding marins container, brandish placed marin there so marin cannot see their naked bodies, it was never said that the container can negate marin's powers and even if lucy is holding the container doesnt mean marin can no longer use his magic to teleport brandish and the main reason lucy stepped on marin is for her to be able to use her celestial spirit magic since marin can negate it. Lastly both chapter 457 & episode 293 did not mention brandish using teleportation magic either even though lucy was surprised that brandish is already outside she never mentioned her teleporting or using teleportation magic.

For now i'll message another user to have a look at the sources again maybe i missed something. LightningGeistLaxus Chibi 23:30, June 28, 2019 (UTC)

All of this is speculating, honestly and I wouldn't add anything  Miskos3  Message  07:06, June 29, 2019 (UTC)

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