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Lullaby
- doesn't Lullaby count as death magic???--Deathmailrock (talk) 20:40, December 19, 2013 (UTC)
Lullaby itself is a Living Magic as it was an alive being created by Zeref. Lullaby uses Sound Magic to kill though. Miskos3 Message 21:01, December 19, 2013 (UTC)
Items that defend against this.
Recently an Anon edited in that Ultear's orb defended her against Zeref's death magic and KuroAshi undid it, asking when this happened. The answer is Episode 106 at around 20:50.
The problem is, it isn't clear how much of this defense against the Death Wave was from special properties of the orb itself and how much came from Ultear exerting her powers, so I thought it better to start a discussion, than to just edit something in.
My suggestion would be to leave the sentence about Natsu's scarf as it is and add a second sentence that mentions Ultear's defense. Something like "Ultear was also able to defend against this magic by focusing her powers into her Crytstal Ball<ref>Fairy Tail Anime: Episode 106, 20:50</ref>
NoNickNeeded (talk) 08:59, May 1, 2014 (UTC)
That may be something that has to do with Ultear's Magic, but the ball itself defending from Zeref's Magic is not like what Natsu's scarf can do. Mamerge
Message12:21,5/1/2014
- The point isn't whether it was the same as Natsu's scarf. The point is that Ultear was somehow able to defend against it, which in the anime is a clear and obvious fact and even in the manga it's strongly hinted at. After all Ultear was bruised and bleeding from the lip, after beating Zeref, so they must have fought. Whether it was the crystal-ball alone, Ultear's magic alone or a combination of both is anyone's best guess, so we shouldn't put either of those there theories in the article, but that she managed to defend herself somehow, might be worth mentioning. NoNickNeeded (talk) 14:42, May 1, 2014 (UTC)
You do realize that's anime-only? Miskos3 Message 12:28, May 1, 2014 (UTC)
- Yes I do, but aren't such matters usually mentioned in the articles anyway, unless the anime contradicts the manga, which didn't happen in this case, since the manga didn't show this confrontation at all (except for the talking before and after, but no actual fighting)? NoNickNeeded (talk) 14:42, May 1, 2014 (UTC)
Nick, this is nothing more than speculation. This is not going to be put in the article. Kuro Ashi 04:04, May 2, 2014 (UTC)
"Mahō" or "Majutsu"?
I have some confusion over the Japanese name of this magic. According to a certain revision, this wiki places precedence of the manga over all other sources, and claims that the Japanese name of this magic in Fairy Tail Zero is "Kuro Mahō" (黒魔法), and thus the writing we must use on the wiki. However, numerous outside Japanese blogs state that the magic's name is actually "Kuro Majutsu" (黒魔術), which basically means the same thing but is nonetheless written differently. What I want to know is, do the raws actually write it the way the wiki has it now? Immblueversion (talk) 03:13, February 17, 2015 (UTC)
Soul effect?
Does this Black Magic effect the life it touch such as souls by removing them from it's surroundings?--CNBA3 (talk) 05:18, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
Can it remove souls of other beings?--CNBA3 (talk) 05:55, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
It has nothing to do with souls. It just kills.-- God · Pray · 05:59,3/3/2016
It destroys everything alive, including plants. I doubt that in the FT verse every tree, flower and stalk of grass has a soul. NoNickNeeded (talk) 08:09, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
- They aren't even considered 'alive' per se, since Ultear could manipulate them Miskos3 Message 08:10, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
Curse or Magic
Wouldn't this be called a "curse" more then a actual form of magic? Seeing Ankhseram cursed Zeref, I can't see it as magic since you can't learn it? (AtlantisUchiha (talk) 12:39, November 22, 2018 (UTC))
The official sources called it magic so we cant do anything but call it magic as well. It was subjectively called as a curse coz the people believed it was bestowed to zeref by a god as a punishment for playing with the idea of resurrecting the dead and it caused negative effects on him mainly killing everything around him especially the ones he loves, but on the other hand if zeref was a plain villain then it can also be subjectively called as a blessing since the god of life and death gave zeref immortality and the ability to destroy anything but obviously the story focused more on it being his punishment which also happened to mavis. So technically anyone can learn it they just have to violate the same rules zeref and mavis broke in the past.
So this being a curse has nothing to do with the Curse abilities use by the etherious demons zeref created especially when the etherious demon's curses does not use magic and it was never stated that zeref cursed his creations like ankhseram, its more like the demons were created to have those abilities that doesnt use ethernano and it was just called curses for no reasons. Also Ankhseram black magic has consistent benefits, access to black magic and immortality, so that alone makes it obvious that it is not the same with the so called curses used by tartaros and i don't believe Ankhseram would waste his time personally cursing every demon zeref created.
So basing on the official sources the word curse was used in two different contexts one referring to zeref being punished by a god and two the superpowers used by zeref demons who does not use ethernano.LightningGeist
13:24, November 22, 2018 (UTC)
Acquiring Ankhseram Black Magic
I wanted to post this here, because in "Fairy Tail: 100 Years Quest" Chapter 53, it's shown that Ankhseram's Black Magic can be acquired through other means. On pages 15 to 22, when Natsu lets God Seed Wolfen read his mind, Wolfen takes on the form of Zeref Dragneel, and is able to use Zeref's magical abilities, which includes Ankhseram's Black Magic, along with the Curse of Contradiction. This appears to prove/imply that Ankhseram doesn't need to curse someone, in order for someone to use this particular magic.
This is the link to the entire chapter in English: https://sorcererweekly.com/reader/read/ft100yq/en/0/53/page/1
Zachary1969 (talk) 20:29, April 9, 2020 (UTC)
Its now been added, feel free to double check. LightningGeist 23:09, April 9, 2020 (UTC)
I did check, but however, I'd recommend you read the chapter because when Wolfen took on Zeref's appearance, powers and abilities, he also took on Ankhseram's Curse of Contradiction. However, my point being is that since God Seeds use Copy Magic, this chapter seems to imply/prove that Ankhseram's Black Magic can be copied and that Ankhseram doesn't need to curse an individual in order for them to use this particular magic. Zachary1969 (talk) 14:05, April 10, 2020 (UTC)
Can you help me out and tell me what should be changed in the page? After checking the fan translated chapter i thought i already added what happened in the said chapter as accurate as it gets. You can even edit the page yourself and i'll just check it if it fits with the wiki's format. LightningGeist 14:48, April 10, 2020 (UTC)
I feel this is speculative because God Seeds literally copy everything of their target, they did not "aquire" Curse of Contradiction themselves, but copied someone who already has it. The way it is written in the page right now is good enough, there is no further change needed. Miskos3 ♐ Message 15:03, April 10, 2020 (UTC)