I was thinking about chapter 499 and how Juvia survived enough blood loss to kill Gray. Does that count as an endurance feat? Why or why not? And if it is, should someone add it to her page?
And what do you mean she never endured it all on her own? She most certainly did.
What's your opinion?
It's not an endurance feat. Endurance is based on pushing oneself like resisting, withstand, tolerate, etc. a very difficult situation brought on to them. She couldn't even do the basics such as speak, twitch, or open her eyes when Gray wanted her to do so that he actually thought she died. And the fact Carla said she wouldn't had made it in just a few moments later shows how she wasn't enduring the blood loss very well. Juvia even thought she died. Like LightningGeist said, it was just luck that she actually survived the blood loss until the time had came for her to actually die.
Juvia still survived a very very difficult situation while unconscious. Juvia lost more blood than Gray, and Gray died from his blood loss. And saying it was luck is a cop out. If we going to allow all the plot armored crap Erza does, then this counts. Also you don't get lucky from blood loss. Juvia withstood dying while unconscious.
Regardless of how we may feel about Erza's plot armor, it did made her display a lot of endurance feats because she actually resisted and tolerated the amount of serious wounds, exhaustion, and fatigue that she has received and was able push herself to come through the serious challenges she done went up against. Something that Juvia never shown in her situation. She wasn't active to push herself with her blood loss for anything at all. If she actually made it without the need of Carla and Wendy while facing a serious challenge during and/or after then it would be impressive. But that's not how that went as Carla stated. She just passed out to soon die in just a few moments. Her survival was based on luck solely from Carla's premonition that saw her demise at an earlier time to show up before it was too late, and Wendy's healing. Juvia knows this and looked confused of the fact that she was even alive, and even praised them for helping her. Shows more that she wasn't resisting and withstanding the effects of what's coming to her. That's not her trying to push herself to survive, that's her dying until some miracle comes along. It's the exact same as a real world situation where people don't be having much time to live and only had few moments prior to be alive until then. Only exceptional difference is there not being a magic healer to stop it. True tea from Mashima is that she actually was suppose to die. But changed his mind soon afterwards just for Gray's feelings. So instead had involved Wendy and Carla to stop it which again, has nothing to do with her endurance.
Guys .it'a not a big thing to argue about.
Well i agree with wildestmike
He asked two questions and we're just answering with an explanation like you just did that you agree. I'm under the impression that it's not really anything to get nasty about which there's no harm regarding to our replies to him. But I'll let it be known that I'm surely not gonna waste time on this if he ever so chooses to result to get rude though.
I'm just saying it's an endurance feat because she didn't die immediately like Gray did.