Talk:Angel Magic

summoning magic??
in the last episode look like is a summoning magic angel summon an angel Barakiel with the cost of that 3 money (she say 30)--Nitram86 (talk) 12:33, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

pages for the angels
since because the Shamsiel has ap ersonality do u think we should make pages for them?

Nah. Creat pages for a race named "Angels"? 02:34,8/14/2012

I don't see any reason to create articles. Even though most of the angels are named and can work as an article, albeit a small one, truthfully I don't see why we need to put so much effort into all the anime-only nonsense. Besides, even if Shamsiel does have personality, he's pretty much that playful type and you can simply add it to his description on the page.

Nah. I think we shouldn't I agree with Glass we could just put his personality on the description page...06:51, August 21, 2012 (UTC)

Caster Magic?
(Too lazy to log in) It is stated in the Episode 148 that the coins came from her lifespan. Which basically means that the magic is a 'caster-type'. And the magic is also a branch/derived form of Organic Link Magic? :)

No, it is stated that the coins take away her lifespan. Not that she... makes... them out of her—.... what? How would she even possible make coins out of lifespan? Da fuck? 12:58, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

Life Span?
Does this magic take life away from the user for just summoning it or is it only taken away if the angel if defeated?98.26.240.62 06:02, September 28, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan

It takes it every time an angel is summoned. 19:25, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Nature of Angel Magic
So, in chapter 365 Angel is directing a bunch of angel-like balls of light towards Jellal to devour him. However, this brings 3 subjects to discussion: Because of those issues, I think it would be better to create another page for this spell or Angel's future use of this form of Magic, like Angelic Magic or whatever, or rename the Magic used in the filler arc to "Angel Coin Magic" or whatever. I just don't think the two kinds of Magic should be under the same page, because in both in essence and plot-wise they are completely different. What do you guys think? 21:05,12/28/2013
 * Angel Magic in the filler arc was Holder type, but this spell was not. Neither coins nor any other instrument had to be used to summon the Angels.
 * Angel presumably lost the ability to use this Magic when her coins were destroyed.
 * Angel Magic was not canon, but this spell was.

I this. I was talking with a couple people about this literally 4 minutes ago, lol. 21:08, December 28, 2013 (UTC)

Waoh Raven, you're actually starting to sound smart... =) 21:30, December 28, 2013 (UTC)

for now. There are many instances where we've seen that a Magic can be both Holder and Caster. Also, we may not have seen it, but she might have used coins from a pocket or maybe this spell is simple enough that it doesn't require coins, or she has become powerful enough to not need coins. All speculation though. The coins were destroyed, but she could have gotten more, of course. As we have seen, even though it wasn't technically canon, Mashima had a say in the creation of this Magic when it appeared in the anime so it was canon in some ways. 21:42, December 28, 2013 (UTC)

What Reli said 21:55, December 28, 2013 (UTC)

Why was this ever considered holder-type in the first place? She created the coins out of her own life-energy. The only way this could be considered holder-type is, if the spell with which she creates the coins is a considered a seperate caster spell and only the summoning itself is holder type. But since there is no such spell in the archive, it should have been caster type from the very beginning IMO.

Either way I think we should wait a bit longer before jumping to any conclusions now. I'm sure we'll see more of her new powers soon enough in this arc. NoNickNeeded (talk) 22:08, December 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * She creates the coins? Reference plz because I'm pretty sure that is incorrect. 22:13, December 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * In episode 140 at 9:12 you can see her "summon" those coins. It's not completely clear where they exactly come from, but either they appear between her hands, or out of her chest and the same again in episode 148 at 13:25 but with only her right hand. While there's room for doubt, to me it looks like she's forming her life-force into coins and draws them forth from her body to "pay" the angels with. And the point where the coins come from is also the very point that Dan Straight later stabbed with his lance to reduce her angel magic to a barely existing minimum.
 * I guess it's theoretically possible that she knows re-quip magic and is calling the coins from a magical storage space, but then considering how those coins are linked to her very life and consume it when they are destroyed, I think the former theory is far more likely. NoNickNeeded (talk) 00:32, December 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * You know what, I think you are right. In episode 48, Angel has nothing in her hands, next she puts her hand in the middle of her chest and it shines and from nowhere she has coins. This happens every time she puts her hand on her chest. Later, when Barakiel is attacked, in the same spot in her chest dark energy comes out. So I think that yes, this is a Caster Magic. 03:43, December 29, 2013 (UTC)

I support the change. As Reli said, saying that she could be hiding coins in her pocket or that Angel Magic could be both holder and caster-type is speculation, and the only thing we have is that Angel in the past summoned Angels by using coins(that affected her appearance and state of mind, which the Angels she summoned now do not seem to do) but now she does not. From that only, I say that the two kinds of Magic should be divided. Angel may not fight for many chapters to come, so I think we should change this judging from what we have so far. 22:19,12/28/2013

I would list the Magic used in that chapter as Unnamed Angel Magic until we learn more about it. I feel like its a modified version of the Angel Magic we saw from the fillers except it won't use her lifeforce, since that was kind of the lesson she learned at the end of that arc... and the only way to be sure is if we wait. :) 22:25, December 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * Maybe you could put it into the "uncategorized magic" section like Urano Metria for the time being. NoNickNeeded (talk) 00:37, December 29, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not going to place a support or oppose, because both sides have good points, but the thing I am hung up on is Jellal's words: "Have you learned some new Magic, Sorano?" I personally think this line was said to really just put forward that she has a new Magic altogether. Either way though, is it really so hard to wait a darn week (or two) to see if we can get more info? ( -__-)~ 11:40, December 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * "New" to when? New compared to when he knew her in the Tower of Heaven? New as compared to the Nirvana incident (where they didn't even meet). Or new compared to the Zentopia incident (where Jellal and Angel didn't meet either)? And I agree on the waiting part for another week part. NoNickNeeded (talk) 11:44, December 29, 2013 (UTC)

Personally I think that the Angel Magic is a caster type magic that only allow the user to summon angels. The coins that she used in the filler are probably an Organic Link Magic's spell that give to her angels some type of power up. In fact during her battle against Gray and Dan you can see that she feels pain and get damaged probably because the coins give the power up to the angels but if they are defeated the organic link takes some of the lifespan of the user and corrupt her magic. We can assume that at the end of the filler Dan only destroyed and cancelled her organic link and not her Angel Magic, so she can still summon them. 12:53, December 29, 2013 (UTC)

Caster Magic
Based on what's said above, (between me and NoNickNeeded) I think this Magic has to be changed to Caster type. Does anyone have anything to discuss or do we just go straight to voting? 03:45, December 29, 2013 (UTC)

If you'd like, just go straight to it. If it's proven to be Caster, then there's not much to discuss, tbh. 03:51, December 29, 2013 (UTC)

That's the point of discussion. Maybe someone has some piece of information that we haven't taken into account. 03:52, December 29, 2013 (UTC)

I've got nothing. I think all our bases are covered at this point, thanks to the two of you. 03:56, December 29, 2013 (UTC)

But doing that will contradict its use in the anime..? That's why I suggested a page split. 10:43,12/29/2013
 * How would it contradict that? In the discussion above we got to the conclusion that even in the KotSS arc it's most likely (though not 100% sure) caster magic. Regardless of a split, I think the KotSS Angel Magic should be either caster or uncategorized magic. NoNickNeeded (talk) 11:02, December 29, 2013 (UTC)

there's no uncategorized magic. I think this is definitely a caster magic simply because one second angel has nothing in her hands, then puts her hand in her chest and then she suddenly has coins. 15:23, December 29, 2013 (UTC)