Talk:Magic

Article
I wanted to know id everyone agreed to keep this article or not, because if we will i was gonna put more content into it Umibouzu 19:07, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

i think we should keep it, its an index for all magics if you are new in FT and you want to know all the magics that were revelead at the moment this will be be really helpfull.. User:Gray_CS

Lost magic
Where was it mentioned that that Makarov's Fairy Law was a Lost Magic? All I recall it being called was a legendary spell or super-magic by Erza. Also, shouldn't we list the Dragon Slayers under Lost Magic since Dragon Slayer magic has been called that in the past? Dalyup! 16:52, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Holder Magic
Where was the term Holder Magic ever used? All I've heard was "Ex-Quip" or "Equip Magic." And who ever used this type of magic for Stellar Spirit keys? - Baithin

Holder Magic is magical classification, like special ability magic, but it means someone who uses items for attacks, so SS and ex-quip would be under them-Umi

Speed Based Magic
this magic needs to be added to added as racer and Jet both have magic based on speed

Alright, it should be added, but it was explained that Racer doesn't truly use speed-based magic. Instead, he seems to use a form of time magic, like Urtear, by slowing down the time of everyone around him to make himself appear faster. - Baithin

Did it in 2 different categories. Tibalt

separate pages
Shouldn't the major types of magic here have their own pages, so it seems more organized?Zicoihno 20:02, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Some of the have. :D NatsuForever 14:19, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

what about high-level spells like moon drip and uranometria?

Drain
Is it necesary to make a link to the "Drain" page is it is included in the page of "Air magic"?Tibalt 19:09, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Ultimate Magic.
Alright, I deleted the section Ultimate Magic without first discussing it, and even though none of you said anything I thought I should open up a discussion just in case. In the section itself it said it wasn't official so I didn't think that it belonged on the official magic page, and I moved the Ultimate Magics up to the Caster or Holder section. If there is any defense for it being readded then please speak up. I am also deleting the Forbidden Magic section since it really isn't a type of Magic, but the particular Magic's status, and I will just put (forbidden) on those magics. If there is any objection to this please speak up.  Iam... JakuhoRaikoben  02:51, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Magic Seals
Does anyone else think it should be mentioned that the "magic seals" shown in the anime don't exist in the manga?76.28.77.47 23:05, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll place it. 23:07, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Change Writing Magic from Holder to Caster
Hi everyone!

I just have seen that all sort of "Writing Magic" like Yami no Ecriture, Solid Script and Oriental Solid Script are categorised as Holder Magic.

But the manga and anime shows that this is not correct. It is true that Freed uses his sword and Levi her magic pen to use their magic, but both were shown to use magic without any tools.

For example: For Freed during his fight with Mirajane, his sword was destroyed and he used his hand! to continue using his spells.

In Levis case she used her hands! to do Solid Script in her fight together with Gazeel against Gilmore Heart Yomazu and Kawazu.

It seems that their tools enhance their abilities but in my opinion their magic (which includes Yomazu´s because of the similarity to Levi´s) should be catagorised as Caster Magic.

What is your opinion?

Cross111

That is true, I'll go review those fights really quickly to make sure that it is as you say and if it is, i'll move Freed's and Levy's over, but Yomazu's will have to stay until adequate proof is given. Also on a side note, please sign your posts with 4 ~ instead of just righting your name, thanks.

Thanks! Cross111 21:23, May 7, 2011 (UTC)

No problem.

Ok everyone i've made the appropriate changes, if anyone has any real evidence against them then speak up now.

Missing Magic
Guns Magic is missing from the Holder Magic section Rauleli  Talk 03:32, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

I'll add it now, thanks.

Sword Magic is also missing from the Holder Magic section Rauleli  Talk 12:22, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

I'll add it.

some changes
Hello again!

There are some things I would propose:
 * The categorised magics: "Ice Blade: Seven Slice Dance" is not a magic on its own, just a form of Ice Make and "Purple Flare" (from Makao) is not a magic on its own either. It is just fire with a purple colour; the different properties which is written about in the description is an ability of the fire magic user, but not the magic itself. (Natsu did the same with his Fire Dragon Slayer magic). I would propose to delete them in the category and integrate them in the categories Ice Make and Fire Magic.
 * Picto magic cannot be an Caster magic, because it was only seen to be used with the drawing tools. (paintbrush + colour chart). Here I would advise to include it in list of Holder magics.
 * Maguilty Sodom is categorised as an Caster magic, but not as an Lost magic. All the members of the Seven Kin of Purgatory use, as stated by Hades, Lost magic, so Maguilty Sodom should be categorised as one too.

I hope I could help a little bit and that I am not a nuisance! ;-)

Cross111 17:46, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

1. Ice Blade Seven Slice will stay as it's own Magic, since even thought it is likely Ice Make it was never said to be like the other Ice Makes.

2. Purple Flare is it's own type of Magic. It is just a variation of Fire Magic.

3. Picto Magic will be moved to Holder.

4. Maguilty Sodom was never stated to be Lost Magic. While we do know that all of the Kin utilize Lost Magic, we were never told that all of their Magic was Lost Magic.

Don't worry, you are not a nuisance.

Missing
Enchantment is missing from the Caster Magic Section Rauleli  Talk 20:32, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

Guitar Magic from the Holder Magic section Rauleli  Talk 20:32, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

Also Human Possession is listed as Caster Magic when in its page it says it is Holder so which is it? I think it is Holder Rauleli  Talk 20:35, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

Chain Magic is missing from caster magic Rauleli  Talk 20:41, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know if Dragon Force should be listed but since it has its own page I guess it should. Rauleli Talk 20:44, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

Also Egg Magic, Fairy Glitter, Gravity Magic, Self-Destruction Spell, Six Prayers, Telekinesis, Teleportation Magic, Urano Metria are missing from Caster magic. Rauleli Talk 20:55, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

Those will all be added as soon as I have the time.

Also Urumi Rauleli  Talk 22:13, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

I plan on adding all of these missing Magic's in about 3 hours.

Extraction magic
About the FT chapter 233, there is on page 8 the scene where Bluenote tries to extract the Fairy Glitter magic from Cana. It was not named by him, but we should probably make an own page for this "Magic Extraction Magic" (or whatever we name it ... :-P) and include it in the Caster category.

Wish you a nice afternoon!

Cross111 16:16, May 10, 2011 (UTC)

Dragon Slayers
Hey since every type of Dragon Slayer is listed here i was thinking of making pages for each style of Dragon Slayer, so that the Dragon Slayer page only has a small summary of each style but not the moves and the moves are listed in their own styles's page. Something like:

Fire


 * Main article: Fire Dragon Slayer

The fire dragon slayer is...

I want an administrator to give me permission to do it or not. I got to leave soon so if i don't respond is because I'm not here

Rauleli Talk 22:25, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

That'd be fine, I was thinking the same thing myself. It can be set up like the Requip page.

Point
What exactly is the point of having the Caster Magic, Holder Magic, and Lost Magic pages. They offer no information that we don't already have on the main Magic page.

What are you talking about? YOU are the one that created them! (except for Lost Magic) 04:53, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

YES!!!!! I DID AND NOW I WANT THEM DEAD, GONE, NEVER TO BE SEEN AGAIN!! which is why I started this discussion

Then I  04:58, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

Aw, you shouldn't have.

Then I don't. I  05:04, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, sir, but we are only allowed to accept your first vote.

Then I guess I once again  05:10, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

16:41,12/19/2011

Alright, no new votes so they'll be gone in in exactly 12 hours.

Source?
There's the japanese names for Caster and Holder magic. But in which chapters (or Q&A?) are they named? --91.67.198.252 11:15, August 21, 2012 (UTC)

A new classification, Ancient Spell
So from reading the extras of Volume 34, I stumbled onto something interesting, the definition of Ancient spell. If you remember, it was first mentioned in Chapter 286 by Mavis, when Rufus used his magic. From the extra, it mentioned that magics such as Lost Magic, Nirvana, Memory Make, and Zeref's Magic, are all part of　Ancient Spell (古代魔法 エンシェントスペル Enshento Superu). And just like its name, Ancient Spells are magic from the ancient time. Therefore, I propose a new classification of the term "Ancient Spell" to our current listings. 03:01, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

It's not the same thing as Lost Magic? 19:13, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Lost Magic is part of Ancient Spell. 20:28, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

So ancient spell is a new term huh? Sigh more work... 20:29, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Mashima-san likes making life hard for us. >_> 20:41,8/30/2012

I know...

So basically, it's like this. 21:51, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ancient Spell
 * Lost Magic
 * Dragon Slayer
 * Arc Of Time
 * Great Tree Arc
 * Etc.
 * Nirvana
 * Zeref's Magic
 * Memory Make

Ancient
I think ancient spell should be changed to ancient magic. if its ancient spell then it will be fuckin confusing since spell is only one technique and ancient magic is the magic as a whole like black arts,lost magic,and memory make. Also, memory make shouldnt be considered an ancient magic since karma of the burning land was the only SPELL that rufus used that was ancient but overall it is a caster molding magic. -- 16:31, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, when Mavis saying it is an ancient spell on the manga, it was before the spell karma of the burning spell even being casted. So, mavis refers the ancient spell to the memory-make not the spell itself. Messithemesser (talk) 16:37, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Hungry's opinion on changing it to Ancient Magic. But I think that Memory-Make should stay under that category. 16:53, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Again, re-read the last topic I posted on this page. Ancient Spell is not a translated from Japanese kanji to English, but from the pronunciation of Katakana that Mashima had provided. I have also stated that they made a full explanation of what Ancient spell is in the Q&A of Volume 34. And the Q&A said that Memory-Make is an ancient spell like Zeref's magic, all the Lost magic, and Nirvana. 17:19, November 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Its really fuckin stupid and confusing. If its ancient spell then that means natsus magic isnt actually a magic its just a series of ancient spells. lost magic is a magic, not a spell or a a series of spells. its ridiculous.-- 17:22, November 1, 2012 (UTC)