Talk:Ultear Milkovich

Ultear and Urtear
Are you sure Ultear is correct? I thought the fact that it was Ur tear was done on purpose to point out that she is Ur's daughter. Unless you're saying that Ur's name is really Ul? Baithin 17:08, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

It is. Perhaps the scanlators thought the same as you, thus they did it as 'r', but from what I know, in Japanese 'l' and 'r' can be switched around a lot. Dalyup! 17:50, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, seeing as Ur is the official english version now, and this is her daughter whos name is taken from her mother's name, and the word tear, I think it should be changed to Urtear Evnyofdeath 23:49, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

Magic
When she is posing as Zalty, she says she can rewind an objects time to before it was broken, and can fastforward it to speed it up. However, after she rewinds the time of her orb so it repairs itself, she fastforwards it to slam it into Natsu, however if she fast-forwarded it, would it break again seeing as she rewound its time to fix it? Evnyofdeath 23:50, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

You're making my head hurt, but yes, that should be how it works, but it's not. - WhiteArmor - (Talk) - 11:28, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

She later mentions that she can use her magic to force the orb to move forward to any possible future she could imagine. in one potential future it breaks and in another it slams into natsu etc...so she simply forced the orb into a future where it hit natsu. Jvendors 01:31, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

I think there should be a little fix in descriptions of her magic:

Arc of Time (時間のアーク Toki no Āku): A Lost Magic (...some stuff, and then) memories of her childhood into happy ones.[65] In the anime, Ultear's ice make spells have a purple hue to their coloration.[66]

'In anime part' should be in Ice-Make don't you think? And 'ice make' shoud be 'Ice-Make'. Veldirn 13:10 12:11 (UTC) February 4, 2012

Speculation
This is the space for speculation.

I think after today's manga we all know Ultear represents Wrath! Do you agree? Courtesy of Empath -Silvio  at 00:22, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Hey, like, this isn't confirmed or anything, but I just wanted to get other's opinion on it. Is it possible that Zeref is Ultear's father? I mean, she wants to find him so bad, and she says she will be saved if they meet. Also, her father was never revealed, so... Yeah, it's a little out there. EeLgIrL (^.^) 15:27, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

Pics
Can someone please add a pic of her battle clothing from chapter 214, it's important since it's her attire on the battlefield.Zicoihno 06:26, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Non-mangastream version will be uploaded within two days after the official release date. Chaos Knight  06:35, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

random question
how come in this pic it looks like she's wearing Midnights chocker? is it just a coincidence?

www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/220/23

Am i the only one who thinks Ultear is kinda the nico robin of the story and will eventually join fairy tail and become apart of Natsu's tem?

Profile Pic
Can I use this picture as the profile picture since it shows her current outfit? By the way, it is taken from Volume 26 cover Rauleli  Talk 21:27, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

I'd wait for the anime on this one, since that particular image is a blown up image from the cover and doesn't handle quality as well as the current image.

Urtear
Shouldnt her name be changed to Urtear, since (at least to me) it seems pretty ovious that thats how it supose to be seeing that her mothers name is officialy translated to Ur (which i have been told it is, dont have any source). She was named after her mother, and they use the same kanji ウル in both names. I know that L and R can be mixed around in japaneese, so technicaly this aint wrong, but i say either change it to Ul and Ultear, or Ur and Urtear (and since Ur is aparently official, this would be the way to go), the way it is now is inconsistant. I can see it has been brought up before about a year ago, but aparently nothing happened, to see if anyone would mind me changing it. --Cosmikaze 21:56, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Ultear and Ur are the official names in English given by Mashima himself. So they can't be changed. 22:03, September 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay sorry about asking then, i did not know that. Seems kinda stupid to me, but what can you do, cant argue with the man himself. Thanks for the answer --Cosmikaze 22:12, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

No problem 01:55, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Arc of Time's effect on Molding Magic
I figured that this image from the Magic and Abilities section would need a gif version rather than static image, since the anime animated it in a bit different way. Anyways, I've made three gifs and it's up to you guys whether one of them gets chosen or not ;o 11:57, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Proposal 2 or 3 13:22, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Proposal 3 13:30, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Proposal 3 (And great GIFs btw ;P) 13:31,2/4/2012

Prop 3 13:57, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Prop 3 14:16,2/4/2012

Proposal 3, I think it is more relevant 16:27, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Proposal 3 =d  The Legend ZancrowGT   19:15, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Both 2 and 3 are good :D 21:29, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Transformation
I think Ultear is able to use Transformation magic at least Itermediate level, since she was able to transform completely into Zalthy, and she copied all his features, his clothes, voice and etc. So I'd add these information to her Magic topic. Do you agree wih me? User:Domynyk 14:04, Apr 9, 2012. (UTC)
 * I agree.

Magic Sword
Well, as you can see I've added the Magic Sword to Ultear weapons and I've also written a paragraph about this sword with reference and animation. I hope you don't mind. User:Domynyk 18:54, Apr 29, 2012, (UTC)
 * That's fine. I'll check it over to make sure there are no factual issues. And thanks.

"Zeref"
How come there was nothing on this page about Ultear pretend to be Zeref and brain washing Jellal when he was a child?? Unless that wasn't Ultear O_O 07:39,11/23/2012

Because no one has added it... >_> 20:41, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Spelling of "Rosen Krone"
If you really go for the German pronounciation this has to be written as one word "Rosenkrone" as noun-noun composition. The "n" both serves as plural of the word "Rose" and interfix. -- [ defchris ] · [ Diskussion ] · 02:05, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

But we aren't going for German pronunciation, we're going for proper Japanese to English translation. Mashima and dozens of other mangakas incorporate other languages into their mangas. It doesn't mean they do so correctly. 03:37,12/5/2012


 * So I expect English people don't write kindergarden or rucksack but Kinder Garden or Ruck Sack?
 * Rosen Krone is taken from some scanlation, I guess, which is wrong therefore anyways. Mashima used ローゼンクローネ as furigana transscription not ローゼン・クローネ. The empty space is missing in Volume 29 RAW. -- [ defchris ] · [ Diskussion ] · 12:17, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

Ultear's clothing
Her outfit post-timeskip seems to be described wrongly. She seems to wear light brown leggings or tights with either seams or thin stripes on each side. These leggings are toned darker later in the manga, and the stripes are there from the beginning. All in all, her outfit slightly resembles her battle suit pre-timeskip. (144.132.9.21 19:47, April 13, 2013 (UTC))

The description at the top of her page
Was Ultear really the eldest? It's just hard to imagine that she's older than Capricorn. What were their ages by the way, if that information is available?SonyGamer (talk) 04:09, April 23, 2013 (UTC)SonyGamer
 * Their exact ages are not known, but Ultear was stated to be the eldest member. She is not older than Capricorn but she is older than Zoldeo whom possessed Capricorn.--
 * Maybe it means that she was the first Kin? 05:26, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * We would have to look at the raw, but at least the translation I read made it fairly clear she was the oldest age wise.--

Death She is dead and it was confirmed. Dr. Dementor 04:09, June 14, 2013 (UTC) Where's the source so we could add it Faeri-Teru-Nomato (talk) 06:00, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

Ultear's Last Age
Does it really kills her actually?
 * That is what was said--

Deceased
Shouldn't she be deceased? Because it was stated in Chapter 355Faeri-Teru-Nomato (talk) 06:06, June 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * It wasn't stated that she's dead and I believe it's too early to declare it since it's yet to be confirmed, so we'll wait.
 * Actually my lovely daughter, it was stated that if she used that spell, she would die. She used that spell, therefore, she is considered deceased. 18:07, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Woot. Reli reached the same conclusion as myself. (/._.)/ 18:14, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * I was about to message you on Skype that Papa finally made what you wanted: making Ultear's status as deceased ~

Sure she thinks she will die, but that doesn't mean she dies within 30 seconds of casting the spell. She might linger on for a few minutes or even hours, which could equal several chapters. Remember that the last two chapters all happened within two minutes (or rather twice within in the same minute). NoNickNeeded (talk) 18:26, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * It was directly stated that upon completion, you die. She completed it, she died. It's really that simple. 18:27, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

patience child, patience. let us wait and see if some deus ex machina is used-- 18:29, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * If some Deus ex Machina is used, then she will be brought back. As it stands, she is deceased, ergo, she will be marked as deceased. 18:31, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yet Gray was dead for a chapter and he wasn't changed. 18:35, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * No, you just assumed that he died. 18:37, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, we had no confirmation on that in Chapter 334. We had confirmation in this chapter that Gray actually did die, and that Ultear dies if she uses Last Ages. Gray got injured on a cliffhanger, so we had nothing to go on. Ultear had a full blown flashback, a usage, and a resolution, as well as all side effects that went with it explained. She used it. 18:40, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

What's the hurry? If I got a dollar every time a FT character said they'd die, I'd be almost rich by now. 18:31,6/15/2013

But, like with Gray's "death" and Erza's "death" (ToH arc), something or someone could stop her from dying. We don't fully know yet and could at least wait for the next chapter to comfirm. 18:32, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

lol guys there is no voting here. it was stated that she dies when she uses the spells and she used it. so whether you support or oppose, its still going to be considered deceased until confirmed alive. 18:33, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

Then close the discussion. >______>

Template
Since she was considered deceased by the previous discussion, shouldn't her template be changed to match other deceased characters? Also adding her to the "Deceased" category. Martios (talk) 18:51, June 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * Will do. Also, @discussion above, way to jump into conclusions. 19:36, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

Chapter 399
As of chapter 339, Ultear is revealed to be alive, abeit crippled with old age. However the last page in the chapter is unclear whether she dies or not, the "Goodbye my beloved people" quote along with the panel that appears more faded than the previous panels supports the idea of her dying in peace. Question is, should we leave the page as her "deceased" or change it back? --FTB UltearM (talk) 12:17, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

& she's no longer Independent Mage as she retire as the result of Last Age.

I think putting her status to unknown would be best. NoNickNeeded (talk) 18:07, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

I think the best option is to put "Alive" because she's still alive in this very moment... we must confirm if she will die in old age through the next chapters, waiting is really a good option. --Thek-power (talk) 12:16, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

"Changing Young Ultear face to Old Ultear Face
Since the latest manga chapters revealed that Ultear became old by using her own magic. I think we should change her young picture to her old appearance.--Thek-power (talk) 12:19, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Status
Shouldn't Ultear be deceased? She sacrificed her life for the taboo magic and she has made her last words in chapter 339

Happythecat (talk) 08:02, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

She turned into an old lady. And even if she said "goodbye my people" doesn't mean that she's really dead. Maybe that goodbye is meant for her to live her current life in peace - Not participating in battles and all - since like she said, she now managed to forgive her self.

Guys, did I get this right..? ( ._.)

It wasn't really shown that she died after she turned into an old lady, after all. We can't assume. We can't speculate.


 * Hmm,You might be 100% right, but I say it's speculation when you don't consider her dead..since the magic she used certainly is supposed to kill her accordin' to the info we have.--


 * She transformed into an old lady, and when she did, it wasn't shown she died. =_= She just looked up to the sky and do the drama.