Talk:Ajeel Raml

Name change
I think that Ajeel's name should be changed to Azir based on the Mangastream translation, not only does it sound better but seems more accurate.--CNBA3 (talk) 12:38, July 20, 2015 (UTC)

We're waiting for raws 12:40, July 20, 2015 (UTC)

Agreed, ajeel sounds whack to me but we should wait till they come out (Ncduru (talk) 13:21, July 20, 2015 (UTC))

As Misk said, we're waiting for the raws. Until they come, no change. 15:03, July 20, 2015 (UTC)

I'm not satisfied with the options we have with his last name in the voting below. If I were to read his kanji (ラムル), I'd gravitate towards Rammul as opposed to Rommul. I also quite like Rammer. 18:14, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * The problem I have with Rommul is that it sounds too close to Rommel, which reminds me of Erwin Rommel, and whilst he was the most humane of the German Field Marshals in WW2, he still fought for the Nazis. So to name an FT character, albeit one for a possible villain, after a Nazi field marshal leaves an uncomfortable taste in my mouth... 18:24, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh..... then dont think about it TEEHEE :D 18:28, July 23, 2015 (UTC)

Hmmm.... wouldn't Rammul and Rommul be pronounced the same, though? And I'm not an expert, but I don't think the katakana supports Rammer. Wouldn't it be more like "ラマー" if it was? Again, not a Japanese expert. >__<  23:00,7/23/2015

Name Vote
Alright everyone, so this is the continuation of the name voting. For reference, the orange naming options are provided by Crunchyroll. The black options are from Chaos, and the blue naming options are from Manga stream. Place your votes below. :P  15:35,7/23/2015

Ajeel

 * 1) Oops I saw wrongly. thought Azir was Ajir, which I was going for. But this name means fast and quick, which I have a feeling is a characteristic we will see of said character in the manga. And mashima has given names to characters based on ability and characteristics before.

Azir

 * 1) {Ncduru (talk) 17:14, July 23, 2015 (UTC)}

Azeel

 * 1)  18:07, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * 2)  22:56,7/23/2015

Azeal

 * 1)  17:54, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * 2) close to the kanji and different enough from the 'eel' names--DuelMaster93 (talk) 17:59, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * 3) If only just...  18:03, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * 4) I like this.  18:10, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * 5)   20:07, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * 6) I'm still wondering about Ajir tbh, but w/e >_> Because that's not here I'll vote for this one.  02:13, July 24, 2015 (UTC)
 * 7)  05:21, July 24, 2015 (UTC)

Lamur

 * 1) {Ncduru (talk) 17:15, July 23, 2015 (UTC)}
 * 2)  17:49, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * 3)  18:07, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * 4) Tbh if "Lamar" was considered, I'll go for that one since it means "Of the sea"/"Famous Land" which makes some sense if you consider the Spriggan 12 are supposed to be famous in their famously powerful empire. Anyways Lamur is closest to Lamar, so here's my vote.
 * 5)   20:08, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * 6) Dunno, but I can pronounce Ramule a bunch of different ways, so I'm just going to go with the simpler of the two. Tbh, I really don't care and I'm betting here and now that we'll be changing his name in the future, so who cares...  02:13, July 24, 2015 (UTC)
 * 7) Lesser of evils.  00:48, July 25, 2015 (UTC)

Ramule

 * 1)  17:54, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * 2) Only translation given by Chaos. Speaking of which, why are mangastream names that have not been approved by Chaos even being considered here? --DuelMaster93 (talk) 17:59, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * 3) Lamur just doesn't seem right to me.  22:56,7/23/2015
 * 4) Chaos' words are the ones I trust.  01:43, July 24, 2015 (UTC)
 * 5)  05:21, July 24, 2015 (UTC)

Name Vote Part 2
I apologize for inconveniencing everyone with a repeat of this discussion/ voting. Recently, I was re-reading his kanji and figured that Ajir might be a better option for his name and had to look back on this discussion and see that it wasn't available. Reading through the votes, it seems some of us have been gravitating towards Ajir and honestly, I think it's appropriate. I understand that we're trying to stray away from the "jeel"'s no thanks to Yajeel's recent debut, but if its actually meant to be a J sounding name, then why stray that far away from it and use Zeal? I propose we re-open this voting and hopefully, we can get a better, filtered idea of what name the community would prefer as opposed to sifting through multiple options.

Change to Ajir

 * 1) Please and thank you.  14:28, August 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * 2) I supported Ajir in the above discussion, and the other one before it was moved here.
 * 3) I originally voted for Azir in the last discussion but even though it's a hassle this does make sense {Ncduru (talk) 15:33, August 2, 2015 (UTC)}
 * 4) Hate to break it to you Duel, but what Chaos says is not the law on this wiki nor is it the word of God, Allah or any other deity you care to mention.  19:20, August 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * 5) I just want to see the world burn. Tie? Tie!  19:47, August 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * 6) Better.
 * 7) good. 09:25, August 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * 8) close to azir XD.  09:37, August 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * 9) If no one wants Azir, then this is a close second.  14:15, August 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * 10) Tied again! \(>.<)/ not sorry :D  01:28, August 4, 2015 (UTC)

Remain as Azeal

 * 1) I still like this one more.  14:40, August 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * 2) Me too; just... no more changes please.  14:50, August 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * 3) Azeal seems fine to me -- 15:08, August 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * 4) Umnei, if you are reading this, Chaos has stated due to the ィ in the kanji it sounds closer to a z sound. If you really want Ajir to be his name (or perhaps a better explanation as to why we are using Azeal), then please speak to Chaos.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 15:33, August 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * 5) ~TIEBREAKER~ --  The Talk Goblin  19:34, August 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * 6) Hope it's here to stay this time ( ._.) 19:55,8/2/2015
 * 7) The reason I didn't think to include Ajir the first time was because no translator (Mangastream, Mangapanda, Crunchyroll, or Chaos) provided it as an option. >_> And if no translator thought it was worth using, then... why should we? :P  20:11,8/2/2015
 * 8) Leave his name just the way it is. 0x35px Min
 * 9)  09:43, August 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * 10) Tie breaker!--

Comments
I personally think we should be using Azir. If you Google Azir you get the LoL champion, who is the Emperor of the Sands and uses sand. Mashima is a big game lover, and if it's more of a "z" sound we're going for...then why not Azir? It's probably the reason why MangaStream chose it as well, but whatever. 00:00, August 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * @Wrath Well Chaos stated it was meant to be a zeel sound. So the most accurate name is Azeel. But due to too many people wanting it different from eel, Azeal was suggested instead. But as stated before, you should probably speak to her if you think that's an option that should be considered.
 * @Derax I never said that was the case. All I am saying is that all options have to at least be checked for approval by Chaos and her opinion should be valued, as she is our official translator and admin. We can't just ignore her opinions and choose whatever name we like just for the sake of it.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 00:16, August 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * I love Gramapa to bits, I really do, but Azir is a viable translation, and its word is not law on the site. Regardless of whether or not a "zeel" sound is the most accurate, Azir makes the most sense, especially since -insert reasons I mentioned above- but I have to say, Chaos said that the ジィ makes it closer to the Zi sound than the Gi/Ji sound. That means that Chaos did not say that -zeel was the most accurate sound, but that the zee-sounding prefix of the name was. Ergo, Azeal/Azeel and Azir are indeed just as accurate as the other. Azir is a reference to a game character (again, Mashima loves computer and video games...) who uses sand and has an Egyptian motif. 'Lo and behold, we have a dark-skinned, Egyptian-looking character who shares the same name as a LoL champion with the same powers and motifs. 00:28, August 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * But Chaos did state that she hoped it would be pronounced as A-zeel. And well I guess you do have some fair points there, but we may still can't say for sure. After a quick search I found the game does have a Japanese server. If the LoL character's Japanese name in the game matches the one in fairy tail then I guess you are right and should be changed.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 00:52, August 3, 2015 (UTC)

I am friends with a couple people on Twitter that are fluent in japanese and have stellar translations, and it seems they all prefer Ajeel.. Now I sort of regret going against the "multiple -Ajeels" xP 20:54, August 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, I guess there is no way back now. XP  21:47, August 4, 2015 (UTC)

-___- I wish we didn't have to deal with this. Y u no give Engrish names, Mashima?! 21:17, August 4, 2015 (UTC)

Im sill in favor of Ajeel if we want to go back to it :)--

Instead of settling, I'd honestly prefer to go either to Ajeel or Azir, rather than Ajir, honestly. :D 22:17, August 4, 2015 (UTC)

So wtf are we doing, because this completely divided, confused community shit is getting us nowhere. 14:50, August 5, 2015 (UTC)

I say, we redo the voting with -all- of the options included, decide once and for all and swear not to ever touch his name unless some really serious circumstances show up. 15:04, August 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * I completely agree with Misk (even though I like his current translation, Azeal). Let's redo the poll and include all the former and new options.  15:47, August 5, 2015 (UTC)

Didnt mashima said he will avoid making characters with similar names like what happened to the Yuri and Yury Dreyar and by looking at the gajeel, yajeel and azeal's names you can see that gajeel's name ガジル is not as similar to yajeel ヤジール and azeal's name アジィール. But this wiki made gajeel's name and Yageel's name have a similar spelling, which should be done to yageel and azeal, I was thinking the jeel part of the name should be unique to gajeel while yajeel and azeal should share a similar spelling or format based on both having the ール in their name. 15:39, August 5, 2015 (UTC)

Third Damn Name Vote
Opening the last name part too, because why the fuck not. 10:08, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

Ajeel

 * 1) Because Chaos said that it was closer to the "zi" sound, not that it was supposed to be pronounced that way. In regards to any comments about saying that Chaos stated that the name was meant to be pronounced Azeel, read again. Chaos said that it had hoped that Azyle would be read as "A-zeel" but then later realized that people were reading it as "A-zile". So anyone that says Chaos said this or Chaos said that is wrong. Chaos just put in its two cents about how it personally would translate things, and just gave a guide to another possible equally as correct translation. I don't care if we have multiple -ajeels. Maybe they're connected? No idea. But there's nothing wrong with it. We have 3 Marys on the wiki all with different katakana, but they all still spell out Mary. This should be no different. And name changes should not be supported or opposed based on the idea of what is easier and what is not. This is what bots are for: to do the things that are tedious. If the name change is tedious, then use a bot. It is about having what we agree on as a community to be the most correct name and blah blah blah -insert more shit here-  10:08, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

Azir

 * 1) May change my vote to this if it comes down to a tie (I doubt it) and Ajeel isn't one of the winning options.  10:08, August 7, 2015 (UTC)