Talk:Lucy Heartfilia

Picture
Could you please change Lucy's picture for the year of X791?112.208.115.241 09:08, January 20, 2016 (UTC)

multiple summons
In the main paragraph, it says the only silver key she summoned at the time was Nikora. But if it's referring to the instance she was defending Loke, then wouldn't it have been all four of the silver keys she had at the time (Nikora, Lyra, Horologium, and Crux) or is it referring to another instance?--SonyGamer (talk) 02:59, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

that only happened in the anime. in the manga, only Plue appeared 03:25, June 4, 2013 (UTC)

also the gold keys listed do not include a complete list (with her addition of Libra and Pisces) 81.153.107.136 18:00, February 4, 2015 (UTC)

Lucy doesn't have Libra or Pisces, Yukino does.--

Birthday
Judging by Mashima's twitter it looks like July 1st wasn't actually Lucy's birthday. I can't tell if he decided to go ahead and make it so or it he was making a joke about it, though. --Isaya 9:29, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Lead
I know that she is the lead female protagonist in the story and Natsu the lead male protagonist, however, is safe to say and add in that she's also the series' lead protagonist (some evidence is that she has narrated events in the anime manga)? (Mike (talk) 17:44, March 29, 2014 (UTC))

The issue of leads in Fairy Tail is rather iffy given the status of various characters. Sometimes there's a character narration and sometimes there's not. It's a real lack of consistency. As of now, I'd leave things as they are.

Water Magic
So, I'm a bit unclear on this. Is Aquarius' water magic of which was bestowed upon her by the Celestial Spirit king? Or simply something he temporarily allowed her to use so as to defend herself? I'd hope it would be the former but regardless, is anyone clear on which one it is? 122.149.75.30 04:46, June 1, 2014 (UTC)

She is able to use a spell called Star Dress to take on the abilities of Aquarius and her other spirits.

Lucy/Image Gallery
Could someone please add this image below to her gallery because she's lying on the ground.(Jennicious (talk) 03:22, June 7, 2014 (UTC))

Done. Although you're free to do it yourself, you know. 03:30, June 7, 2014 (UTC)

Full Name Revelation
Hey, I just found in chapter 48's last page that Lucy's full name is revealed for the first time. Don't you think it should be added to her overview page?--Shay.avigad.1 (talk) 21:34, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * Lucy's middle name, if she has one, has never been revealed. Only her first and last name. I think what you are referring to is Juvia referring to her as "Lucy Heartfilia-sama." "Sama" is a Japanese honorific, not a name. 21:55,8/14/2014

appearance
It's it okay to talk about this. Is Lucy's tattoo be mentioned in appearance because it's mentioned it on Magic and Abilities? Or it's a temporary mark that it's should not be mention in appearance like Gray's which is mentioned.(Jennicious (talk) 00:45, September 3, 2014 (UTC))

Lucy's has already disappeared while Gray's seems will stick around for a while. 13:51, September 3, 2014 (UTC)

Now I understand when ever she uses her star dress her tatoo appears. --50.168.121.218 23:24, April 25, 2015 (UTC)

Alias
In Flare Corona's Personality, it mentioned about her referring to Lucy Heartfilia as "Blondie. (Jennicious (talk) 23:10, September 30, 2014 (UTC))

Age Change
Since Chpater 418 takes place one year later, should Lucy's age be changed from 17 to 18? (Baransu17 (talk) 16:01, February 2, 2015 (UTC))

I think so since Happy's was already updated from 6 to 7.--Shion Tamagisa (talk) 03:23, February 3, 2015 (UTC)

Also shouldn't we have 3 options for her image? X784, X791, and X792?? --Fandom God (talk) 21:36, February 9, 2015 (UTC)


 * 1) The reason nothing has been changed is because we're in a pickle no thanks to Mashima. It is true that a year has passed and so Lucy should have aged, BUT, after the Tenrou Team returned after the seven year timeskip there was some training and then the X791 GMG was held on July 1st - Lucy's birthday. Does that mean Lucy was a year older then and is a year older again and is therefore 19? Did the Tenrou Team stay in stasis for some other time and so Lucy's birthday after their return doesn't count because it wasn't a full year that had passed? Does Lucy's age now increase after her return from Tenrou because that's when time "started" for her again?? It's kinda confusing, so for now I think we're just waiting to see if anything is mentioned. If nothing is (and I doubt it will be) I guess it will have to be discussed in depth :)
 * 2) Her appearance didn't change between X784 and X791, as only her clothes changed and we don't count that because Lucy changes outfits like 50 times. It's even being debated if her current look requires a new profile picture, as she really only grew her hair a little :/

22:56, February 9, 2015 (UTC)

X792 Appearance
should we put up a picture of Lucy's new appearance post time-skip? we have one for Natsu --Wintertrooper (talk) 21:53, February 13, 2015 (UTC)

It was there, but it got Rai'd for a reason that I don't understand, so I put it back =o 22:02, February 13, 2015 (UTC)

Lucy 19 not 18?
I think Lucy is actually 19 as of x792:

She was 17 when the series started, It was at least 413 days since the Phantom Lord arc, And we've just had a 1 year timeskip, so she must have had at least 2 birthdays since the start of the series, making her 19. --92.22.92.86 15:44, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

The Juvia omake doesn't really mean anything, as it was... well, an omake. We don't know at which point in the main story it was placed, if at all, could've been an alternate universe-like setting. The 2nd volume of Fairy Tail Monthly stated that she was 17, so at best, she's 18 now. However, I'd rather wait for an actual confirmation via new guild cards or something. 15:57, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

Carry gave a very good explanation of the problem at hand just half a screen further up on this very talk page under the header "Age change". NoNickNeeded (talk) 16:32, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

I should probably re-mention that in an Q&A (Volume 24), if the omake did not match the canon story line in terms of time, it will all be considered just fantasies in Lucy's mind (that probably also include Juvia's 413 Omake). 18:24, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

I remember that Lucy's birth date is July 1 X767, her debut age was 17, the only know July 1 birthday that was shown was at the Grand Magic Games when she fought Flare Corona so she should be 18 at that time, then there is the 1 year time skip that means she should be 19 now.--CNBA3 (talk) 20:34, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

Birthday mentioning
Due to the information on this link (courtesy of Umnei) Lucy's wrong birthday of the 1st July was recently removed.

Considering that this date is widely believed to be correct among the english-speaking fans, maybe it would be prudent to mention the contents of the link somewhere on Lucy's page. Maybe in the Trivia section? NoNickNeeded (talk) 21:07, April 10, 2015 (UTC)

I'm sure it would be appreciated information. Just word it up nicely and bam~ we got our trivia :D 21:30, April 10, 2015 (UTC)

Profile
I have a question. How come in lucy's previous partner(s) is Cana Alberona while another website: http://fr.fairy-tail.wikia.com/wiki/Lucy_Heartfilia mentioned her partners are Natsu, Happy, Erza, Grey, Wendy, Carla? Please explain. I really confuse.--50.168.121.218 06:21, April 28, 2015 (UTC)

The English FT wiki and French FT wiki do not have direct influence over each other. 14:04, April 28, 2015 (UTC)

Caster magic
Might be worthwhile to remove the line under the urano metria section of powers and abilities that says it's the only caster magic she can use and to start adding them in. She's already shown capable of using water, regulus(light) and earth magic on separate occasions with star dress. Even if someone wants to argue that it's not a direct ability, it wouldn't explain why other members like Mirijane have similar abilities listed under their sections.

correct. its been removed. thank you for noticing. 13:10, May 7, 2015 (UTC)

Name?
Ok so I have been searching through every manga and website possible of Lucy Heartfilia. And does she or does she not have a middle name? 108.255.4.43 01:58, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * Nope--

known magic
in the list of lucy's magic, could it not be slimmed down by instead of listing she knows earth and light magic via star dress, to simply list star dress which links to the page? Also, it has listed "Ushi no Koku Mairi" as former, it is a magical item she used once, it is hardly worth mention let alone to jot it down as a "former" magic she use to know. Did Lucy ever own the doll, did she use it often before whatever events occurred to give it the "former" status? no, it was a one time use item which was used more for comical effect rather than the type of magic she truly affiliates with (and i see it is also on natsu's page)

--58.106.140.74 21:37, June 9, 2015 (UTC)

I don't really see an issue here. Her 'Magic and Abilities' section isn't that long; if we're going to list each separate dress then we should also note what abilities/Magic all the dresses grant her. Only linking to Star Dress is not an option imo. About Kain's Lost Magic, it doesn't really matter how many times she used it, just that she did. The fact stands even more firm considering she (and Natsu as well) has an own technique with the Magic.

I thought the anon was referring to the magic listed in the info box like how mira, lucy, erza, bisca and freed have specific magic listed when they are actually being accessed thanks to a diff magic or item. Like instead of listing lucy being able to use water, light & earth magic it should be removed since its already under Star Dress which is a part of Celestial Spirit Magic, so listing it might be redundant but i might say it does show variety. 17:12, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

Oh I see, I was making haste so I didn't quite get what he actually meant. -_-" Well in that case I'm actually indifferent to a change since, as you say, listing everything might be redundant, but it also shows readers what Magic she has access to with the dresses, without clicking over to the Star Dress page.

Recompense Summoning has a misleading description
It says, "A technique that only a Celestial Spirit Mage that can open three or more gates simultaneously is able to achieve". As far as I am aware, being able to summon 3 gates was just a measurement of her power, and in no way effects the ability to summon the king. If a person only had a single key, but the same magical power as Lucy did at the time they should also be able to summon the king. - SW 08:41, August 29, 2015 (UTC)

I have altered it somewhat, I hope it's better now. 08:45, August 29, 2015 (UTC)

Gottfried
Shouldnt gottfried be put into Lucy's magic section, both in the main article and in her infobox? i get shes only ever done it with other mages, but then unison raid is on there, a speel that by definition can only be cast with two different sources of magic Hewy (: (talk) 21:05, September 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * Well it's on Gottfried's page under users, so it probably should be added to Lucy as well as Yukino's page. Regardless of how awful the arc it was used in was 21:15, September 13, 2015 (UTC)

k ill add it now to both Hewy (: (talk) 21:22, September 13, 2015 (UTC)

Ages
just wanted to know cause I understand it from one point but why isn't all the people with that have known ages haven't been moved up a year? Seen the convo on RWA so thought it would be a good time to ask... the Tenrou team obviously has some diffculites with this but for people who were just shown in 461 (Sherria, Sting, Kagura) why aren't they listed as 16, 20, & 24? Nothing happened to them and obviously the time skip been mentioned hella times so until you we can figure out with the Tenrou team at least the other should change... just my thoughts  Ncduru 08:55,11/10/2015

But changing only the not-Tenrou Team while leaving the TT untouched would mean that the ages are out of synch. Either all or none I think.

Maybe we should just change "age" to "age at debut". That way it will stay true no matter how many in-story years the story progresses. NoNickNeeded (talk) 09:09, November 10, 2015 (UTC)
 * yeah I was just about to edit my paragraph again... put "debut" by all their names then put their age after the time skip with "X792" next it? I would be with thisidea... some cases might have "X791" instead of debut since they were introduced in X791 but you get my point. Just seems dumb not to have changed the people's ages we seen post time skip, it's just obvious I'd love to do a vote once more people see this Ncduru Ravens wallpaper (2).jpg 09:14,11/10/2015

As has been said before, Tenrou Island threw everything into chaos when it came to ages so I think it would be worth changing the section age to "age at debut" as has been suggested, unless we get guild cards again stating their updated ages. At which point it would be advisable to have an "age at debut" section and then an "age currently" (want for a better expression). 10:36, November 10, 2015 (UTC)
 * Yup agree with everything you said.... for example how of different types of profiles would look:

These are the 3 models we've come to see so far, I honestly believe we're making it harder than it seems.. just doesn't make sense to leave ages alone cause of Tenrou team and really wanna discuss this.. thoughts? Ncduru 11:02,11/10/2015
 * Lucy (being apart of Tenrou team) 17 (debut) 18 (X792)
 * Millianna (introduced before 7 year time skip) 16 (debut) 23 (X791) 24 (X792)
 * Sting (introduced after 7 year time skip) 19 (debut) 20 (X792)

We add age changes as we get new official sources, such as guild cards. Even though it was Lucy's birthday when she returned from Tenrou, and then an additional year passed after Tartaros, unless we get a guild card or something that confirms her (or anyone else's) numerical age, it's best not to add it. 11:14, November 10, 2015 (UTC)
 * Didn't Mashima outright say that Lucy's birthday is unknown and that the date being given at the 1st July was just the anime team messing up? NoNickNeeded (talk) 09:05, November 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * Mashima's manga editor. Not the anime team. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 09:19, November 11, 2015 (UTC)

Even so, I think it's ridiculous to not add ages. It has been a clear one year since Grand Magic Games. Lucy is clearly 18 now, and there's no denying that. Do you all really think Wendy is 12, still? We can all add 1 pretty simply. I think we honestly look like idiots. 00:54, November 11, 2015 (UTC)

I was talking about this with Jak a few weeks ago and just never got around to adding it to the articles, but Jak and myself think that (debut) should just be added to every main character's page. After all, it IS speculation to guess their ages. We have no idea how much time passed between GMG and Tartarus and no idea if "one year" can be taken literally, or is just a ballpark idea. And all of the characters WILL have different birthdays anyhow, making them all debateably different ages. Adding "debut" tells the reader that we acknowledge their change in age but isn't us speculating that change when we have no proof. 01:07, November 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * agree with wrath and carry, I mean we all look retarded trying to make algebra into trigonometry.... We can put (debut) next to the age when they're first introduced and then if it's cool we can follow my diagram listed above or something like that. Not comparing sites either but Naruto wiki has the ages like 12-15 and 15-18 but when time passes in Naruto is a little more clear than FT. But regardless shouldn't be that difficult to say Sherria or Lyon isn't 16 (15 + 1) or 27 (26 + 1) right now.... if no objections I'll put it to vote in a litte  Ncduru Ravens wallpaper (2).jpg 01:46,11/11/2015

Ummm, do we need to list debut ages for people who have official current ages? Just latest official ages in infobox plz. ._./ And maybe the year in brackets beside it. Yeah, I know ppl normally age during the year and age does change at some point, but let's not get hung up on that. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 09:19, November 11, 2015 (UTC)

I have a question how long will lucy have to stay 17? She can't stay 17. She has to age at some point. Same with the other characters.--Jennicious (talk) 23:39, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
 * Lucy is listed as being 17 as of X784, which is her debut. With the "7 year timeskip" not actually being a full 7 years, and then with us not having any idea on the day Lucy was born, coupled with this other timeskip, we just won't estimate ages. Her debut age is listed, but we have no clue if she's 18, or 19, or whatever. 23:43, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

Adding debut to all known ages

 * Support
 * 1)  Ncduru Ravens wallpaper (2).jpg 14:00,11/12/2015
 * 2) Oops, missed this bit DX  14:28, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * 3) How do you handle estimated ages like those of Natsu, Zeref and Acnologia? --  The Talk Goblin  15:55, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * 4)   06:11, November 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose
 * 1) I'd rather have the year in brackets. More informative. Keep debut to CH and EP. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 16:13, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * 2) Have the year in which they were that age instead. It's easier and more correct considering we have characters that debut during entirely different years. Yeah, I know, if people read the series they'll know when it happens, but I'd much rather have Lucy Heartfilia say 17 (X784) than 17 (Debut). I'm not opposed to parentheses or whatever, but I want the year.  06:14, November 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * 3) ^I thought Wrath's option was what I were supporting in the first place... if not, I must oppose; meaning I support Wrath and Sane's idea.
 * 4)  18:55, November 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * Neutral

Updating ages for 1 year timeskip

 * Support
 * 1)  Ncduru Ravens wallpaper (2).jpg 13:56,11/12/2015
 * Oppose
 * 1) I'm not sure if this is a good idea. --  The Talk Goblin  15:55, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * 2) Not unless we have a source. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 16:13, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * 3)  18:55, November 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * Neutral
 * 1) Whilst I agree with your points N, I'll wait to see what other peoples arguments are before arriving at a conclusion to vote in favour or against  14:02, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * 2) ^What Dexy said. I'm unsure still.
 * 3) Ummmm......Can't decide, not just yet.   06:12, November 14, 2015 (UTC)

So hear me out.. I think adding debut should pass so I'm not concerned with that.... but this convo had me agreeing with a lot of the opinions for it and against it but like I said above we're really thinking to hard about this:
 * Notes

Fact: There was 1 year timeskip, hence Natsu going off to train for a year

Fact: If we want to talk about speculating the dates, what's known is that Natsu met up with Lucy at the X792 GMG and later mentioned in 426 when explaining Future Rogue's warning that "in one year's time, so about around the time now" so clearly a year has passed, which means a year older

Even if we don't support the age update for the tenrou team how can we not say the people like Sting and Sherria? Its speculating that after a 1 year timeskip they're not 1 year older? Lastly I agree with Ummy's point on the guild cards and everything but still feel like we all look dumb. This doesn't have to be the model but if the age update passes it could just follow something like this:

Lucy (being apart of Tenrou team) Millianna (introduced before 7 year time skip) Sting (introduced after 7 year time skip)
 * 17 (debut)
 * 18 (X792)
 * 16 (debut)
 * 23 (X791)
 * 24 (X792)
 * 19 (debut)
 * 20 (X792)

I understand it'll be hard to pass but as long as you hear me my points I'm cool with the outcome  Ncduru 14:34,11/12/2015

I was really hoping this wasn't a discussion we'd be having, like, at all.. but now that's it's up, I guess I'll throw in my 2 cents. While we do keep the character pages updated, I feel as though age is something we can't add ourselves without receiving confirmation from Mashima himself. Listing out every age that we assume for a character due to certain years of the plot passing by would make that section incredibly cluttered. In addition, there has been many cases where more than a year has passed, even prior to the timeskip (Lucy's 1 year celebration with the guild, Juvia's 413 days with Gray), so honestly, I feel as though we feature the age on a character's wiki page due to the fact that it was on a guild card, which offers information about the character. Otherwise, it doesn't play any significant role in the plot, hence why Mashima has been willy-nilly about it. Featuring the last-known confirmation of age with a source is sufficient enough. 15:56, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * ^This. Btw, 413 Days is almost certainly non-canon. :P --Sane Lunatic (talk) 16:13, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * hehe well yeah, we all know its Omake. However, from an anime-only viewers point of view, they won't know if its canon or not due to the episode occurring between arcs, so that's just another sense of confusion that can be avoided 16:14, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * But if I can point something out, how we format our articles isn't supposed to be based around people who watch the secondary source. It's for people who read the primary one. 16:32, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * The method suggested by Mumnei is good for everybody though. ._./ --Sane Lunatic (talk) 16:37, November 12, 2015 (UTC)

key of the water bearer
instead of former for key of teh water bearer can we change it to shattered or something just becasue we are unsure if can be fixed or not plus she still has it in her posession --Stellar Forger (talk) 17:30, November 13, 2015 (UTC)