Talk:Kagura Mikazuchi/Archive 1

Gravity
Do you think we could mention that she knows Gravity magic? Risley did say that she learned it from Kagura herself Umnei 20:34, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

Yep, we can.

Ok, I have a bit of a confusion there. From where I read the chapter, it says that Risley taught Kagura the Gravity Magic, not the other way around. Can somebody be so gentle so as to tell me from where do you people read the manga as an "official" source? Because then, it means that some place is doing it wrong with translation and by default, the info in the wikia. --BGMaxie 19:08, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Mangastream is not our official source, but it is what we use until Chaos gets and translates the raw.

I see, so somebody here is at least knowledgeable of japanese grammar, rules and kanji huh? Based on that I got a question, if, and it seems that it would be a rather big IF.....it is found that for example in this case the translation from japan could be read in both ways (Kagura taught Risley or the opposite), which would be the course of action regarding the details of Gravity Magic and the "relationship" between the two mages? --BGMaxie 19:29, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Well I don't see that happening, but if it did Kagura would likely teach Risley.

This is waychanger, Mangastream's FT translator. This is the line from the raw, where Risley comments on Kagura's Gravity Magic: "そりゃアタシに重力変化の魔法教えたのカグラだもん"

そりゃ = that/he/she/it is アタシ = I/me (female) に = particle, in this case indicating the recipient of teaching 重力変化の魔法 = Gravity Transformation Magic 教えた = past tense of 教える = taught の = noun modifying particle カグラ = Kagura だ = plain copula もん = emphatic construction.

If you wanted a totally literal translation, it would be something along the lines of, "That's the Kagura who taught me Gravity Transformation Magic (emphatic)." In this chapter, I rendered it as, "Kagura's the one that taught me Gravity Transformation magic, after all."

If Risley were to say that she was the one that had taught Kagura, the correct particle would instead be the subject marker が instead of に, in order to indicate that Risley was the one who performed the teaching. The に, however, indicates that Risley was the recipient, and thus Kagura was the one who taught her. I could simplify it a bit too. For illustrative purposes, "the teacher that taught the students magic" is "学生に魔法を教えた先生” - parallel to that, then, if I reduce the line from this chapter into "アタシに重力変化の魔法を教えたカグラ" it becomes "Kagura, who taught me Gravity Transformation Magic." (the particle を is dropped in the actual line - it's common for particles to be dropped in manga). Regardless, to reiterate, Kagura did the teaching, and Risley was the one taught. Mangastream's translation is correct.  Also, if you think about it, if Kagura's the strongest member of Mermaid Heel, doesn't it make much more sense that she would be the teacher rather than the student?

Dragonfly Scans apparently misread the grammatical construction here and mistranslated this line to say the converse. When their translations differ significantly from Mangastream's, they are usually wrong. Just saying.

Incidentally, regarding the name of the magic, it seemed appropriate to me to use "Gravity Transformation" when it first appeared, since Risley did physically transform at the time after using it. "Change," as you guys have suggested on the wiki, is reasonable, as well.

Waychanger 07:32, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! 14:13, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, now I understand. And you make a point, just like Jakuho did, it in fact seemed the most logical of the two, alas the idea is always to be correct instead of the "more correct of the two". As for the Gravity Transformation, she did not change form, which may be a side-effect on Risley related to mastery, or simple we just didn't get to see Kagura "fat". Either way it is simply a name, and given that there is another Gravity user (namely Bluenote) I'm guessing it will eventually get in the parent page? But well that's another story. Thanks for the clarification --BGMaxie 14:25, April 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * I was thinking of making the two Parents myself... Though I ain't really sure about the differences... Gravity Change seems to be focused on single targets (such as the user himself/herself), while Gravity Magic, aside from looking stronger (though that might have been due to Bluenote being its only seen user) can be more like a mass thing...

-- 14:34, April 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * It all depends on the type of Magic we're talking about. For example there is a Dragon Slayer parent page, or a Reequip parent page, given that mechanics are similar but elements may differ. Aside from that there is a Darkness parent page, with the element being similar but mechanics being different, for example Simon's Darkness or Jellal/Jose/Zero's Darkness are different but all of them are Darkness magic. As you point out the two kinds of Gravity Magic work differently, but are Gravity. Following the above logic I believe we can encompase both kinds into a parent Gravity page. --BGMaxie 16:04, April 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Guess the one counting as the "main one" is supposed to be Bluenote's...


 * -- 16:13, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Quote
Hello, can we please use this for the page quote, on her page. I think it fits her persona better, cus at the beginning of the chapter she said "I've seen the path...That my blade leads to." so i think it will fit better if we use the one i offered. 22:29, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

22:31, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

22:37, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

By the way, why is her eye all white? 22:40, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

...What are you talking about??

Yukino's eye is all white 22:44, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

Nobody's eye is all white.

Yes, it is 19:30, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

That's only in one frame...you should have specified whore.

It was in the frame when she summoned the 13th Gate, could it be a drawing error? Or does the caster's eyes become white when she summons this legendary spirit? 19:35, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

I'm thinking it's the latter, but it would be speculation to say so.

Sword Magic?
She didn't display Sword Magic, neither summoned that sword. It's purely her skill Martios 05:25, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, we know. 15:20, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

Now it's fixed on her page :D. Someone can close this discussion Martios 19:25, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

Guild Ace?
In Mangafox Chapter 280 page 7, it was stated that Kagura is the strongest mage of mermaid heel, so does she count as the Guild Ace of Mermaid Heel?

Sorry but unless it is stated that she is the Guild Ace, this information would not be added.

Colors, colors and colors
So as you guys may have noticed, Kagura's hair and eye colors have magically changed throughout the arc.

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And also, there's this Volume Cover...

The question is, which ones do we put? Do we have any policy regarding this? An anon has just changed it to black/brown so to avoid any further confusion, I'm making this discussion. 10:50, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

Nothing in particular sticks out regarding this as far as policy goes. Having looked through the material mentioned, it does seem there was something of a change but as of late, it's been more consistent and it's my opinion that the newer colors should be used.

11:00, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

I'll go with the new colors then.

11:06, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah. Mashima might have changed his desired colors for Kagura so he changed her hair in the newest chapter to black instead of the brown ones in the old one. And in my opinion, the new ones should be the most accurate.

new ones are actually accurate...

11:13, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. 11:32, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

I feel like the Volume covers are more concrete when it comes to colors 11:33, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

For me, I believe that is the color of her eyes and hair

Hiro can't figure my honey out *^*. 01:59, December 31, 2012 (UTC)