Talk:Spriggan 12

Spriggan Twelve or Spriggan 12
This may sound totally unnecessary, but regarding the Japanese name スプリガン１２ and the fact that we have a similarly named group called Element 4, should we write the number as "12" instead of "Twelve"? Immblueversion (talk) 15:57, July 18, 2015 (UTC)

That's actually a really good point. Makes sense to me. :P  16:02,7/18/2015

What are you guys aiming for? A third name correction? You guys can't make up your minds. :3 --  The Talk Goblin 16:20, July 18, 2015 (UTC)

That's a good point actually. I'm up for the change. 16:35, July 18, 2015 (UTC)

Well, the 12 is written in the kata, so why not? 22:17, July 18, 2015 (UTC)

Sure 22:18, July 18, 2015 (UTC)

Personally I don't like the usage of the numbers rather than the actual word, but if the actual Japanese uses the numbers, go for it. 13:33, July 19, 2015 (UTC)

Makes sense. 13:44, July 19, 2015 (UTC)

Bump. How about a vote, just to get the discussion over with as quickly as possible? The 'Sorcerer Magazine' float box is currently flooded. 15:07, July 20, 2015 (UTC)

Name Changes
Hey peeps, so writing this here because I ceebs going to each individual page and making a discussion. >_> So the raw is out and here are Mapa's name change proposals. There was also Orgast > August but that's already been done by somebody and I couldn't be fucked to change it back just for us to decide to change it again. So, if you oppose it, let it be known. >__> Tell me what you guys think below.  04:54,7/22/2015
 * Inbel --> Invel
 * Dimaria Yesta > Yester/Yesta (can be changed to Yester or left as Yesta; Either is fine)
 * Ajeel Lamur > Azyle Ramule

Invel, on Yesta cause idk. Azyle. We went with Yazir at first but then it came out that it was indeed Yajeel. I think this is a simalar situation--
 * Actually the only reason we changed it to Yajeel is because Mapa thought it would be a better translation. We had Yazir down because that was the translation we got from Mangastream. :/ I think a change would do us some good since we have Gajeel, Yajeel, and Ajeel, which I normally wouldn't have a problem with but the katakana is different for all three of those names so I'm thinking that there was obviously meant to be some kind of distinction between them.  05:04,7/22/2015
 * For Gajeel, Yajeel, and Ajeel, their kanji is different, but very similar. And their romaji's are all pretty much the same; ajiru(Gajeel)/ajīru(Yajeel & Ajeel), so the pronunciation of each name would be almost the same. Ajeel sounds closer to the romaji to me. Not to mention, the official translation uses it (with the exception of Ajeel/Azyle all the official translations matches Chaos'). I would like to know the reasoning behind Chaos' translation for this particular name.
 * Anyway, I suggest we keep Yesta just for a bit of consistency with the official translation (and also so we don't have to change anything) and change Inbel to Invel.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 05:18, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

Invel sounds better. Yester/Yesta, idk yet. And apparently Ajeel is an arabic name that means fast, quick, while trying to google Azyle gets me to "did you mean azula/azel/azilee" >_>. So TL;DR: Invel,  Azyle, oh and  August, cause it makes more sense that Orgast sounding like orgasm ._.

Is Azir not being considered at all? I think I liked it the most. 06:35, July 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, Chaos didn't mention it when she provided her translations. And seeing as though the official translation doesn't use it, it's unlikely to be an option unless someone states a logical reason as to why it should be. Right now the only options are Ajeel, Azyl and maybe Azyle (an option Chaos' provided prior to her final decision). I suggest you speak to Chaos if you think it's a possible option or if you think should be used.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 07:13, July 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd pronounce the name the same way I'd pronounce Ajeel. Plus it's an actual name 07:30, July 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * I would only pronounce Azyl similar to Ajeel. But anyway, Azir is not an option unless you speak to Chaos. For this discussion we are only using either what Chaos provided or what the official translation uses. Also, a lot of names in the series aren't actual names.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 07:55, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

I Invel,  Yester (Yesta sounds better and it's good to have some consistency with the official translations), and  Azyle (I don't like having Gajeel, Yajeel and also Ajeel, better off with the change). 08:29, July 22, 2015 (UTC) Invel Yester, leave it at Yesta Azyle, too many characters with "jeel" in their name so anything better than Ajeel I support {Ncduru (talk) 10:49, July 22, 2015 (UTC)}

All. Out of curiosity, for Ajeel, does Agile work? I keep reading the pronunciation and I feel as though the spelling for Agile would work for it, even though it isn't pronounced that way, much like how Precht and Thibault's names don't correlate to their kanji. 14:18, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, it seems as though we have enough support to change Inbel to Invel and leave Dimaria's last name as Yesta, so I'm going to change Inbel's name now. As for Ajeel/Azyle, I will ask Chaos for further input, as I don't think the discussion is constructive as it needs to be. Not to disrespect anyone or the votes, but the only reason I can see why people are opposing Ajeel is because it's too similar to other names (everyone else either offered another suggestion or didn't state a reason), which I don't think should be a factor (or at least not the main factor).--DuelMaster93 (talk) 14:58, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

I all (Yesta, not Yester) but Azyle, whom I am  on. I would prefer Ajeel Rommul in the event that we have a chapter title named after him (consistency issues ftw) but until we do, couldn't give a fig. :D 15:42, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, so Chaos has provided a further opinion on Ajeel which I will summarize as best I can. Due to the ィ in アジィール, the pronunciation sounds closer to a Zi sound than a Ji sound, therefore resulting in the name Azeel (and ruling Ajeel out). Due Chaos to wanting to differentiate eel she went with Azyle, but has since changed her mind on that one as it could easily be mispronounced, therefore making it inaccurate. So Ajeel and Azyle are no longer options. At this point the only option left is Azeel, so I suggested Azeal, just to give another option for people who don't want the eel. Chaos agreed that Azeal would also work. So now, we have 2 options Azeel (the slightly more accurate one) and Azeal (not too similar to other names while still accurate enough). All it comes down to now is preference for this particular name given the options we have, so we will decide this one via a vote.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 23:36, July 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * Not exactly accurate. Azyle is still a possible option if it's not mispronounced, which wasn't a problem for anyone here. The only thing that's different about the discussion now is that it is now expanded to included the new translations: Azeel and Azeal. :/  23:50,7/22/2015
 * Well first of all Ajeel is no longer an option, due to not matching with kanji. Secondly, how do you know that no-one here mispronounced Azyle? Umnei (who was one of only 2 other people to talk about pronunciation) brought up Agile after reading Azyle. I definitely think a lot of people would mispronounce Azyle. Anyway I Azeel or Azeal due to being the most accurate to kanji and least likely to be mispronounced. Also, now that options have been changed I feel we need a recount for this particular name.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 00:23, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * Ajeel doesn't "not match with the kanji." Mapa just believes it might not be the best fit for the kanji. It's still an option. Secondly, because frankly, it's common sense given the pronunciations we've seen so far. :/ And thirdly, don't ever limit the voting options on a naming forum like this because that's not how we do things on the site. We discuss them until a satisfactory consensus has been reached or until enough time has passed. And if a possible translation for a name is present, it's included and its the community's job to decided whether or not to go with them. When you talked to Mapa, the only thing that you should've done is come here and share what Mapa said with everyone so that could help us with our decisions because that's how discussions work. And these discussions are open for a while to allow everyone adequate time to say their piece and vote, so if anyone wishes to change their vote, they can come back and change them if they so desire.  00:33,7/23/2015
 * My apologies then. I never really participated in productive discussions until recently, so excuse my ignorance to the rules and/or how things are normally handled. Anyway, the reason I ruled Ajeel out is because if people read the opinion I got from Chaos, it would be clear to them that Ajeel would not be the best choice. And I only narrowed it down and did a vote because I felt we need a new fresh vote cause 2 new options were introduced after people already started voting (I doubt many people will come back and change their votes). I didn't want Azyle being chosen over Azeal for example just because Azyle was an option earlier. But whatever, I've said all I had to say and I hope everyone who voted earlier at least considers the new options.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 00:57, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * Virtually all the users who have voted so far are councilors, admins, or chat moderators. All of them know better than to cast a vote on a discussion and never check it again (discussions on this site are way too fickle for that). And even though a few people have voted, this is mainly just a discussion at the moment. If things are unclear due to circumstances (like they are now), then a final vote will be open to make sure everything is 100% clear (look at the Albareth Empire discussion, for example). And I sincerely apologize if I seemed testy earlier. I've been on the site for a long time, so it's very easy to forget sometimes that not everyone is as used to the site as me. And I do appreciate you taking such an active roll in the discussions. Most people just bandwagon vote with the majority. It's always great to have users with an opinion who think their votes through and try to get others to do the same. ^___^  01:07,7/23/2015