Talk:Natsu Dragneel

motion sickness?
in chapter 290 (fairy tail party at end of 3rd day GMG), natsu doesn't seems to get motion sickness when he do "barrel surfing", inconsistency-forget-thing from mashima? haha --Monterico (talk) 23:25, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

I know it's been a few days, but I'll answer anyway. It's what Natsu considers as a "mode of transport" that makes him sick. He doesn't consider Happy a mode of transport, so he doesn't get sick. It's highly plausible that Natsu doesn't consider "having fun" as a form of transportation. It's all speculative, but I hope that that gave you a new perspective. :) 04:22,2/17/2013 04:22, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

thanks for your attention and answers, i really i appreciate that. so natsu must consider being in all transportation is having fun then, to prevent the motion sickness haha. btw good work on the "GN" thing --Monterico (talk) 06:19, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

It was most likely a situational thing. I don't think it would work on everything; just to differentiate between "fun" and "hell". And besides, if the solution was that simple, where would all the humor go? :P About the "GN" thing, thanks. It's a little thing that eventually adds up to having been a big deal when it's all done. 07:25,2/17/2013 07:25, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

"Strength" image
Then find a better image that illustrates the topic or remove it altogether.-- 10:14, October 21, 2013 (UTC)

This image is fine because it's not meant to show the punches specifically, it's to show the process of him overwhelming the two of them. just as the text describes it. Secondly, if you don't feel that it's appropriately placed or captioned in the first place even after an undoing, start a discussion. Thirdly, if you're gonna bring up an issue on the talk page, do it properly so people can actually understand what the issue is rather than being confrontational.
 * The image illustrates reflexes and reactions time way more than "overwhelming strength". Its not just Natsu punching them thats knocking them back, the force of them coming forward and walking into Natsu's punch attributes to their rebound. If it was Natsu picking up a building or something or a giant rock, then it would illustrate high physical strength. This does not. Also, this isnt a big matter that really needs some kinda broad sit down discussion. I just brought something up that needs to be fixed. Its not really confrontational, its pretty straight forward from my POV. Would you rather i edit-warred?-- 10:25, October 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * I obviously prefer that nobody enters an edit war. Your statement was understood by me to be confrontational by the way in which you elected to write it: in the form of a demand. If someone has an issue with something ones and they undo it, one should start a discussion, it's that simple. As to the picture itself, I don't know how the anime demonstrated it but the manga does not show them coming forward and receiving the punch after doing to; it was Natsu who was dominating their fight by throwing the punches and managed to get in between them. That's why this image was used and this anime image was placed over its manga counterpart so whatever the anime showed doesn't really matter.
 * Firstly, i apologize for making a confrontational impression. I am not really in any position to make demands. Secondly, it doesnt show forward force but it still doesnt illustrate superior physical strength. If you look at the lead up to the punch, then it would be more of a case of enhanced reflexes seconds after engaging in hand to hand combat. A pic with a superior physical strength feat, would be something like Natsu picking something much larger than him up. This pic does nothing in terms of strength presentation. Just hand to hand combat and/or reflexes from my POV.-- 10:44, October 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * That's fine then. The basic part of this fight the image shows was pretty much Natsu handling Sting and Rogue like kids. Even though they were using Dragon Force, he beat them both back and put them on the defensive with just his physical strength by kicking and punching them relentlessly before this punch, which sent them flying. Personally, I think enhanced reflexes would be more like acrobatic dodging of the opponent's moves or quick reactions to incoming danger. The section on physical strength is large and so it needs an image to have in its description and I don't personally have an issue with this image. For now, I suggest we just leave this here as it is and later go search for an image we think would be more suitable. Would that be agreeable?
 * Oh definitely, again I am in no position to be making these kinda requests or demands. You should do as you see fit for the betterment of the article. I was just pointing something out. No worries.-- 10:53, October 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Your intentions are appreciated.

I'm actually in agreement with Hungry here, the strength showed in that picture is pretty minuscule when compared to other strength feats in the Fairy Tail universe. I say we get a picture or gif of one of his other feats like stopping the Dorma Anim and put it in that picture's place. 23:23,11/18/2013
 * Want me to just create a GIF of the current one? Because in the one you are asking for, Natsu has support from Wendy's Magic. 23:31, November 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, I completely forgot about her Arms spell. >_> If that's the case, I think the still image of this shot will have to do for now. My problem with it was that it wasn't really showing any noteworthy strength and I don't think a gif can help unless they crashed into something like a wall or something afterwards. 23:35,11/18/2013
 * How's this? 23:54, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I think that does the job a bit better than just the still image alone. 23:57,11/18/2013

Gotcha, so I'll change it now and close this discussion. Lol, two-man discussion. :3 23:59, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Natsu's Age
If Natsu is the same age as Lucy then that would mean Natsu was born in X767, but it is unknown about the month and day of that year. Lucy was born July 1, X767. The year X784 they was stuck on the island for 7 years (X791) if they wasn't stuck there they those two would be 24 years-old21:22, January 11, 2014 (UTC)~Skyler Fernandez

Sorry, but until his age is explicitly stated in the manga, nothing can be added to the article. 21:24, January 11, 2014 (UTC)

Hey, I just found in the cover of chapter 23 that his age is unknown. So may I just add it to his characteristics along with a reference?--Shay.avigad.1 (talk) 13:52, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

There is no need to add anything if it's unknown. ^^ 13:54, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

It's said that Natsu is actually 400+ years old. Could someone please bring his age back? --The Black Godzilla of Darkness 11:40, March 22, 2016 (UTC)

age
Can anyone add a section on his age?

His age is currently unknown, so no for now. 06:23, January 17, 2014 (UTC)

age
Can anyone add a section on his age? It is estimated he is over 88 years old. Gajeel may also have the same problem. Wendii probably is older than she looks too. In the anime she stays the same age relatively within a few months. You can tell how many months went by by Lucy's rent. So Natsu is over 88 years old or his dragon years is over 88 years old. Another theory states the dragon magic is tied to the dragon who trained them. Lacrima come from a) a dragon's soul, b) the essence of a dragon. The idea is that the lacrimal steals a dragon's magic and then it's implanted into someone. It is not as effective because it may fail or kill the user likewise. (which is why they say it is dangerous.) Makarov states that in the festival arc of the anime with his grandson Laxas. 06:23, January 17, 2014 (UTC)67.183.177.112 06:23, January 17, 2014 (UTC)

That is all pure speculation. Until facts are given in the series, we will not add so 06:26, January 17, 2014 (UTC)

No seriously the lacrimal is in episode 35 during the explanation where inserting a lacrimal into Laxas made him strong it also could have killed him too. He could not leave the barrier which means he is over 80. 06:32, January 17, 2014 (UTC)

Like Relikz said, that is just pure speculation, Natsu's age will only be written when his actual age is confirmed in the story or by some other sources. B214 (Talk) 06:40, January 17, 2014 (UTC)

Age
Dragons slayers perhaps may be older because of the dragon slayer magic. It would make since the dragons' taught it to their disciples because they wanted them to be more like them. However doing so created dragon-human hybrids. It is said they can become dragons. Acnologia became a dragon his age is listed over 400+. So dragon slayers' ages are older than humans. This is because of their dragon slayer magic. WHen the enchantment was listed in episode 44. Later Gajeel could not escape either. This is not speculation. As Acnologia became a dragon as said, and furthermore became the leader of the dragons. So Dragons when they adopt a disciple they really are perhaps creating a new dragon. It is perhaps possible for dragons to normally create dragons through biological means but this is not confirmed.

Despite it is perceived to have the 'help of Zeref" to become a dragon. That is speculation All we know is that he did become a dragon. After repeating what is said there is sufficient evidence that the series suggest the dragon slayers are older. It would not make sense for the dragons to suddenly find all of these disciples at the same time relatively. In fact it would make more sense if they adopted disciples around 100 years or 200 years before this fact. If suddenly 8-16 years they all decide to adopt a human it seems that a explanation is needed to suggest this---because a plot hole would exist in the fact that the author overlooked a key detail. For example all of the dragons would have to meet up and discuss why they left all at the same time or have a plan. The same could be said on 77777.

http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Sargenttacos115/Natsu_and_Gajeel_age_Theory

Despite this is would be lame on the time travel theory. There's a problem with continuity where the dragons' decided to leave on 777. and the slayers vanished?

23:43, January 17, 2014 (UTC) http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/User:Thunderbringerstormbrook
 * Talk Pages are for making suggestions for and discussing changes to the article, based on confirmed facts. They are not for discussing theories, that's what blogs are for. NoNickNeeded (talk) 23:47, January 17, 2014 (UTC)

Heat blade
I think someone has to add the Heat blade that Natsu got in Tartaros. Even if he loses it in the next chapter, it still must be mentioned, because he was carrying it on his belt. We don't know it's powers yet, but it allowed Natsu to cut the chains and Natsu himself commented that it is really powerful.192.162.208.3 20:47, February 16, 2014 (UTC)

Can we finally put Natsu's age?
So as most of you probably know, it is revealed at the end of chapter 416 by Zeref that Natsu is in fact E.N.D. and we know that E.N.D. is over 400+ years old. So can we at least put that as Natsu's age (or at least put that as his estimated age) and add E.N.D. to his list of alias's? (104.184.194.3 05:51, January 20, 2015 (UTC))
 * Zeref was alive and awake the entire 400 years. He could have created Natsu at any point in time between back then and the 770s. NoNickNeeded (talk) 09:56, January 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * It is said in the manga that E.N.D. is also 400+ years old and that he fought with Igneel and was sealed into The Book of E.N.D. 400 years ago. Now Natsu could have been awakened at any point in that 400 year timeline but, much like Mavis, Natsu is still chronologically 400 years old. (104.184.194.3 21:22, January 20, 2015 (UTC))

- What about Natsu's race? It's also revealed that he is an Etherious, so should that also be added? 122.59.192.229 09:50, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

We still don't have enough details on that. 09:54, January 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * What exactly do we not have enough details for? We finally have a canon age for Natsu which we haven't had since the start of the series and putting E.N.D. down as one of his alias's seems only logical due to Zeref himself confirming that E.N.D. stood for Etherious Natsu Dragneel. I don't believe a wiki needs more information than that to add in an age or alias (or at least an assumed age) and I think that we all know that we will be waiting quite a while before we get anymore information on E.N.D./Natsu. (104.184.194.3 21:22, January 20, 2015 (UTC))
 * We are leaving Natsu/E.N.D. alone because there is no other information besides what E.N.D. stands for. Zeref has shown that Etherious cannot exist apart from their books, yet here we have the standing for an acronym but with no explanation. If we simply merged all the information...just think about all the holes we'd have no way to fill in. Article integrity and patience are just as important as making sure everything is up to date. You bend the rules to preserve those things if you have to, and we are going to bend the rules. 21:27, January 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * I wasn't suggesting a full merger of both articles. Simply have an assumed age for Natsu as well as adding E.N.D. to the list of alias's as temporary placeholders until more information becomes available in the future. But I understand where you are coming from if you think action should not be taken. I was just thinking to put Natsu's age as an assumed 400 and his alias as E.N.D. would be a temporary solution until new information becomes available. But like I said, I understand where your coming form if you guys don't want to. Thank you for clarifying your standpoint on the topic. (104.184.194.3 22:14, January 20, 2015 (UTC))
 * The appreciation and understanding is appreciated, and yes, we are just going to leave both articles untouched and protected for the time being. Thanks. 22:28, January 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * @anon, before that, we've seen Natsu as a child back when he entered the guild and grown up till now, so we can't really say Natsu's age is 400+ nor can we place it as an Etherius yet, like Wrath said, until we can solve the mysteries, better to leave the page untouched. 22:34,1/20/2015 22:34, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

Natsu's not human
This needs edited. Natsu is a demon, and since Zeref created him, Zeref is his real father. Will someone fix this? --LucyHeartfilia13 (talk) 23:15, February 10, 2015 (UTC)LucyHeartfilia13

(Sorry just realized this issue has already been resolved)

--LucyHeartfilia13 (talk) 23:18, February 10, 2015 (UTC)LucyHeartfilia13

Natsu's Eye Color
Many say Its black and true sometimes it seems like that from afar but up close the are a green/yellowish color. But we don't follow anime eye colors. Everything in this Wiki should be based on manga, except anime-exclusive stuff. 07:14, February 11, 2015 (UTC)

I don't want to create any arguments, but... pew

Hiro pls 07:20, February 11, 2015 (UTC)

To summarise asker, the reason we state his eye colour is black is because it is the only colour to be used consistently in official art and the manga/manga covers. Yes, Natsu has been seen with different coloured eyes at times, but each version is always different, as seen by Misk's links above: sometimes golden, sometimes hazel, sometimes green-y, sometimes dark brown. If Mashima used one of those consistently in multiple artworks this could be more debatable, but as each new colour appears as little as the last, we no longer bother to discuss and and stick with black. 07:35, February 11, 2015 (UTC)

Natsu's Sensor Abilities?
Um this maybe sound a little late but shouldn't somebody add Natsu's sensor abilities? Like Natsu's sensor abilities appear in Chapter 420? Like Natsu just sense two theives and defeated them by random! Like this is just a suggestion for those forgot to read Chapter 420.--76.121.234.236 05:07, March 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * Already on there. Enhanced smell and enhanced hearing--
 * umm there is a problem with that, Natsu didn't smell or hear just sense/detect, I re-read chapter 420 again and it didn't said that Natsu smell or hear. Like if Natsu did smell or hear, Natsu would said it, or smell the scent or hear the sound. Not here to argue but just want to bring a suggestion or reminder for those who forgot to read chapter 420. --76.121.234.236 19:37, March 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * There was an old lady screaming to give it back. Natsu heard it and reacted--

Template colors
I don't know if you have already talked about this, but since FT is disbnaded, shouldn't we take out the colors of the templates, like at Karen Lilica's page? --GosBoig (disc.) 17:19, March 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah we should, but I certainly don't want to have to do that all by myself. >_> 17:20, March 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * At the catalan wiki (i'm admin there) I'm changing them while they appear; I've already changed Natsu, Happy, Carla, Wendy and Lucy--GosBoig (disc.) 17:34, March 5, 2015 (UTC)

Synopsis
I have a question.

How come Natsu, Lucy, Wendy have this in line: Natsu then states that, all of a sudden, he is going to go to Sabertooth? It should say that they referring to we're going to go Sabertooth because when I was read the manga at http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/424/16 and also from looking at Happy and Carla synopsis. Please explain. I really appreciate it. Thank you so much.--Jennicious (talk) 22:22, March 20, 2015 (UTC)

Magic
Why is Fire Magic listed among Natsu's known magic? To my knowledge, Natsu has never displayed the use of this magic nor do we consider Fire Dragon Slayer Magic its variation. --  The Talk Goblin 17:42, March 29, 2015 (UTC)

I think it was because of the then-created Fire Liana. I'll remove it. 17:45, March 29, 2015 (UTC)

I noticed above in the talk somebody noted that Natsu doesn't have fire magic.... anyways... Doesn't changing the type of fire mean that he has fire magic?

In chapter 18 he used fire to cling to the bridge. In chapter 419 he produced a fire to make a mark on the capital but not burn it.

It seems like such feats are a variation of Fire Magic, and not Fire Dragon Slayer Magic. - SW 06:38, September 22, 2015 (UTC)

I agree. Plus, in the chapter 419, it was mentioned that those flames disappear on their own after a certain amount of time, as if they are a product of another type of Magic. :P

I disagree. It's been clearly stated that his flames are produced by Dragon Slayer magic. Even if they have similar properties and can be controlled as your usual fire magic, they are still flames meant to hurt a dragon. Suddenly giving him a new magic out of blue makes no sense imo 10:18, September 22, 2015 (UTC)

What Misk said Spam name (talk)

Guild Master?
According to Natsu's Previous Occupation, it says Guild Master, and apparently, it was from Chapter 356, pg.20 but i checked out and nothing of that appeared. So, what's the deal with Natsu being Guild Master before? Dragon NJMB (talk) 18:54, May 18, 2015 (UTC)

On chapter 356, page 30 it says that the Guild Master of Tartarus is E.N.D. Natsu is E.N.D. 21:47, May 18, 2015 (UTC)

Some time after I wrote that, I thought about Natsu being E.N.D (but we need more info about that by Mashima's end). But thanks for answer me, Wrath022. Dragon NJMB (talk) 06:28, June 11, 2015 (UTC)

Infobox
Shouldn't it be stated in the infobox that he is "Human (former)" because Natsu was born as a human, but turned into a demon by Zeref. He wasn't born as demon (etherious) initially. 64.233.173.206 17:10, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

We should probably wait on more details as it's not really clear as of now 17:21, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

Affiliation
I look around at the other pages, and they all say that they are affiliated with Fairy Tail, and yet Natsu is still written as a former member. Isn't he affiliated with Fairy Tail now?User:Doragon3(User talk:Doragon3)17:48, June 1, 2015 (UTC) Doragon3 (talk) 23:47, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
 * We're getting to it. There are a lot of pages to be changed--

known magic
This page lists "Ushi no Koku Mairi" as a former type of magic for natsu, as in he use to know it, that is hardly the case, it was a one time use of a magical item. Nothing had to be "known" per say, heck it was proved that any one is able to use the doll with no formal training. Natsu did not specialise in the Ushi no Koku Mairi. if we are going to list that every time a charcter uses a magical item once it is worthy of being classified on a list of magic the formally new, then why not the edolas fire sword natsu used?

On Cana's page it listed fairy glitter as "temporary" rather than "former" if we MUST have the Ushi no Koku Mairi listed on both Natsu's and Lucy's pages (which really we don't there use of the doll for comical effect can be noted on the dolls page) then "temporary" is a more accurate tag.

--58.106.140.74 21:58, June 9, 2015 (UTC)

Whether or not he used it for one second or three years is completely irrelevant. The point is he used it and is thus, a user. The difference between the Edolas sword (which we have listed on his page) is that it is just a Magic item with no particularly form of Magic backing it. Whereas the doll that Natsu used was the medium by which Ushi No Koku Mairi is utilized. The tags on Natsu and Lucy's page should be temporary, however, so I will change that. 22:06,6/9/2015

Thank you for taking the time to read my question, I understand you guys must be very busy and so I really appreciate it :) --58.106.140.74 06:04, June 12, 2015 (UTC)

We should fix Natsu's history.
In chapter 465, Zeref revealed that END wasn't the one forming Tartaros. Mard Geer was the one who formed it and found the book of END by chance. He only talked like END formed Tartaros but didn't. To what I think now, Zeref revived Natsu as END and took him 400 years to the future because of high ethernano in that time. So, I don't think Natsu was evil and there is no END form. The END book must be what's keeping him alive. PhoenixFirestorm (talk) 13:13, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

Regardless of the whole time travel stuff, it still doesn't change the fact that the book of E.N.D., which is an aspect of Natsu, has existed for 400 years. Technically, Mard Geer is the one who founded Tartaros, however, as Zeref pointed out, the true founder is the book since it inspired Mard Geer to take such an action, which in turn made it the titular Master of the Dark Guild. --Goblin King - 3000 B.C., Keeper of Evil Squirrels 16:03, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah I'm with what Goblin is saying phoenix, if anything this chapter revealed more about Mard Geer than it did change the history of Natsu... more importantly how are we gonna deal with the ages of all the Dragon Slayers? 16:06, December 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * Let them keep their current ages. It's not like they waited 400 years, they skipped 400 years. Technically their the same age as they've been believed to be in the series (Natsu probably late teens,Gajeel late teens to early twenties, wendy 13 and sting and rogue 19-20.) Besides, after today, I think they need it.Etweens96 (talk) 16:23, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

Just copying and pasting this from the other discussion on the matter: The created/lead Tartaros and curses bit, I'd be in favour of saying that it was Mard Geer all along using END as a smokescreen. The flame demon specialty bit not necessarily, as it was Silver that stated that, not Mard Geer. 22:40, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

Natsu master of Tartorose or not master of Tartorose?
Since Mard Geer founded Tartorose using Natsu's book half and Mard Geer himself said that END is the guild master as Mard Geer said he wasn't (and as far as Mard Geer knows END was inside his tome) and was going to revive him and put him as the master of said guild (even referring to END as master newmorous times) which END is indirectly helped create Tartorose then should Natsu still technically be considered the guild master of Tartorose or not?71.222.52.171 03:24, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

He was made the de facto Guild Master by Mard Geer, just without him knowing or with consent. For all intents and purposes, the entire FT world, bar Zeref himself, considered END the master of Tartaros. 03:28, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

So in other words END is the de facto Master of Tartorose so on Natsu's page then would then that say that he is the guild master of Tartorose (indirectly of course).71.222.52.171 03:36, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

Again, Zeref specifically said Mard Geer was the one forming Tartaros and found the END book by chance. Mard Geer was only talking like END is their master. So no, Natsu was never a member of tartaros after all. Besides, Natsu was revived at a young age. I find it hard to believe a younger Natsu was a guild master of another guild and created curses. PhoenixFirestorm (talk) 03:51, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

Well we have no proof that Natsu did not create curses. However, I said Natsu was considered the leader. I never said he was. The Dark Guild was stated by Mard Geer to be masterless. 03:53, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

You do raise valid points but we have no idea when Mard Geer founded the guild nor when he found END's tome that he could have used to help him unite the demons in the first place for all we know and as far as Mard Geer knew END was in his tome and Mard Geer said newmorous times that he was not the guild master even though he easily could have but didn't and as for the masterless thing considering Mard Geer continuously said that END was the master even though he didn't have to as they would be masterless as END as far as the demons knew was not active at least to their knowledge for the past 400 years.71.222.52.171 04:08, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

By the time Mard Geer found the tome, Natsu and the other Dragon Slayers had already left for the future. E.N.D. could not have created Tartaros with Mard Geer. Zeref said that Mard Geer found the book by accident, and Mard Geer and the others all assumed that E.N.D. was inside the book, when in reality he was running around in the future. They, Mard Geer included, just considered E.N.D. to be their master and desired to awaken him, but the fact of the matter is that E.N.D. was never a member; he wasn't aware of Tartaros' existence. It doesn't matter what the characters in the series think, it matters what they say. They said that the guild was masterless, and we learned courtesy of Zeref that Mard Geer founded Tartaros alone and used E.N.D.'s book to unify the demons under one cause. The Guild has no master, just one founder who led the guild, believing that when they "revived" their "master" he would lead them all. 04:12, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

First, I never said that END helped Mard Geer create the guild directly but rather indirectly as a book to unify the demons. Second, I said as far as the demons knew END was in his tome for the past 400 years. Third, I said this as Natsu is the de facto guild master of Tartrose so even though Mard Geer founded the guild directly for all we now he could have used the book to do it making Natsu though his book half in directly by default of use of his book half to help Mard Geer found the guild thus Natsu through his book half is a founder of Tartorose and it was never stated that Mard Geer founded the guild by himself only that he founded it thus shouldn't Natsu occupation be guild master INDIRECTY get it I've continuously said INDIRECTY because I've just simple wanted to now ok. Finally I've check and no one has ever said that the guild was masterless as all the demons including Mard Geer even though he had to reason to say to his enemies at all that END was the guild master when he could have said so him self with a few word easy but he didn't even when he was alone, no one listen he still said and though that END was his master even though he had no reason then when he was alone to keep up his fascad at all.

My point is that since Natsu/END is the de facto guild master that his occupation should be put as guild master but with indirectly add on to the end of it or not this is what I been trying to ask you ok.71.222.52.171 04:41, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

No, it's not okay. He's either the guild master or he isn't. Mard Geer has explicitly stated, "Mard Geer is Mard Geer! Called the Underworld King, I control the masterless guild of Tartaros!" Natsu did, yes, indirectly help form Tartaros, but that was just because of his book. Natsu himself existed separate from his book, had no part in the ordeal, and Zeref himself even said he is tantamount to an accidental assistant in some regard. Regardless of who they consider to be their leader, the fact is that E.N.D. was only going to be their official leader after being "revived". The guild had no master, just a founder and someone who acted as temporary leader, and has denied multiple times to be the guild master, even getting furious when Erza asked him if he was.

In short, no, Natsu is not the guild master. His falsified ideal was the guild master. The other Etherious never met E.N.D. They have no idea what he looks like, even. They just assumed he was locked in his book because it was sealed shut. The creator of the Etherious himself even said that it was all Mard Geer's plan. Regardless of whether he was meant to be the master, Natsu ultimately did not end up being so, and Mard Geer denied being such himself. 04:50, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

Spoiler warning, please!
I've only just barely started season 2, I came here looking for any information on Natsu's birthday so I could make a Sim and Mii for Tomodachi Life. I was immediately met with information I'm probably not supposed to know for another 5 seasons, and it's going to bother me the entire time I'm trying to enjoy the show. Now that I know Natsu isn't even human, I don't have to worry about him dying or not, or not winning a fight. Thank you so much, whoever put that information at the top of the page, because I think it just ruined the exploration of the character and his development throughout the series. IT&#39;S SO FUCK. (talk) 07:37, January 4, 2016 (UTC)
 * This is a wiki, we deal in information. As soon as a chapter comes out with new info, it goes on the page. If you don't want spoilers, dont use a wiki. It should be common sense that you will be spoiled by coming here.--

It was the original purpose of wikipedia and wikias to be like online encyclopedia (some might have moved away from that purpose, but this one didn't). What you did is a bit akin to someone complaining about a History Book giving away right in the beginning that Napoleon lost his war.

And even afer the first season it should be more than clear that the main characters aren't going to die, be they Human or not. But Natsu not being Human doesn't mean he can't technically die. We've seen several members of his species bite the dust for good after all. NoNickNeeded (talk) 12:23, February 27, 2016 (UTC)

Spell Update
Can someone add Fire Dragon's Roasting Bath to Natsu's page in his Magic and Abilities? 173.184.225.97 12:07, February 27, 2016 (UTC)

It's not really a serious spell so personally, I don't exactly feel the need to include it. 12:26, February 27, 2016 (UTC)

But it's still a spell and should be included. What's the point of only including some spells? 173.184.225.97 15:35, February 27, 2016 (UTC)

Inconsistency with Eye Colour
Ok,if I understood correctly, it was decided, for sake of being the most consistent, that his eyes were black, right? Then why does his page states they're brown? And then the appearance section says they're black again. I know I'm being too picky, but the page has a contradiction and I just wanted to point it out.--Paribus (talk) 18:16, March 9, 2016 (UTC)

Looks like whoever made the change overlooked the second bit in the appearance text. Can someone with the necessary rights correct this please? NoNickNeeded (talk) 18:45, March 9, 2016 (UTC)

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Former Magic
Shouldn't the Fire Dragon King Mode be listed as a former type of magic? He could only have used it once, and already did. WinX64 (talk) 03:20, March 12, 2016 (UTC)


 * Natsu seemed very sure he would never be able to use it again, so I agree. If he ends up being wrong, we can always change it back later. NoNickNeeded (talk) 08:38, March 12, 2016 (UTC)

Natsu's Fire Dragon King Mode is more of a temporary magic. Since he gathered the last remaining power of Igneel and fought Zeref, all of Igneel's power disappeared and he was never able to use it again. --SoulRise99 (talk) 12:27, March 16, 2016 (UTC) (Want to come to my Wikia sometime; )

He can still use it. And has. It is not as powerful since he has to use his own magical power to fuel the mode. Before he was tapping into the energy that was left behind by IgneelLygarx (talk) 19:07, October 24, 2016 (UTC)

Natsu's Voice
Hasn't anybody noticed that Natsu's Voice is the same as Shikada Kokonotsu from Dagashi Kashi. --MiraZoldyck568 (talk) 03:32, March 12, 2016 (UTC)
 * All his voice actors are listed in the infobox. What other roles they had in other anime, movies, CDs or whatever isn't really relevant for Natsu's article. NoNickNeeded (talk) 08:37, March 12, 2016 (UTC)

Removing spoilers on Natsu
Edit Update: Initially, I came here to ask to remove big reveals about natsu. I read other past posts and Editor responses, I understand that my request will not be fulfilled so please disregard message, thank you.--Skyeden117 (talk) 07:49, March 14, 2016 (UTC)

--Skyeden117 (talk) 07:45, March 14, 2016 (UTC)

Fire Dragon King Mode
As Crunchyroll confirmed MS translation, it seems Natsu can still use FDKM. With the present events in mind, I went to re-read the chapter where he and Zeref fought and I got under the impression that Natsu was using Igneel's powers before he actually entered FDKM. I was initially thinking we should consider this case to be similar to LFDM, but after the re-read I think we should create another set for Igneel's leftover power on the former magic section and put FDKM as a magic Natsu can access whenever he wants.--Paribus (talk) 01:10, March 30, 2016 (UTC)

Check the Magic page, it's under Magic Transfer so imo no need to make a page for it, it was a one time thing anyway 01:30, March 30, 2016 (UTC)

I see, I didn't know about that page. But there's still the thing about Fire Dragon King Mode still being usable, that's why I said we should separate Igneel's residual magic from FDKM.--Paribus (talk) 01:38, March 30, 2016 (UTC)

you're right about that, the page is free to edit bro.. just delete the stuff that refers to Igneel's power 01:47, March 30, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, man. Still, it might be better to wait for others points of view on this matter, because some might think FDKM is similar to LFDM (as in Natsu can use a weaker version of the original). So I guess there's no use in having me edit if I'm not sure of my pov. And there's also the fact that Natsu's page is protected from general editing.--Paribus (talk) 02:09, March 30, 2016 (UTC)

I got what you're saying now, my take: just to delete the stuff of Igneel's power out of Natsu's bio and FDKM's page but I'll bring this to attention for more users to see fam, you make a good point 02:43, March 30, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the help bro. I agree with your take on this, now let's see if others agree as well.--Paribus (talk) 11:00, March 30, 2016 (UTC)

It seems that fire dragon king attacks are very similar to Natsu's base attacks but require more magic power. His fire dragon king mode is something he can still access even after using all of Igneel's leftover power in the fight against zeref. He instead uses his own power as seen when he fights Jacob Lessio one of the Spriggan 12. Whether this was a slip in the writing or permanent remains to be seen, however. In my opinion the reason why Natsu said it was a one use only ability is because he acknowledges how much more power Igneel has than him and his remaining power is far superior to what Natsu is capable of currently. (EldritchStorm (talk) 22:00, April 16, 2016 (UTC))

I can accept that pov. As I mentioned before, I just can't tell if he had the mode all along or if it became something akin to Lightning Fire Dragon Mode (which seems to be your point of view). I just don't get why, after all this time, this page remains unchanged in that department...--Paribus (talk) 13:16, April 19, 2016 (UTC)

Battle of Fairy Tail - Natsu and Freed's spell
In the Battle of Fairy Tail arc, Natsu can't leave the guild, since Freed's enchantment doesn't allow statues or people of 80 years old and higher to pass. The reason why he can't is because Natsu is in fact 400 years old, but no one knew at that time. This also explains Gajeel's failure to leave.

Cheschire-Kaat (talk) 20:12, May 22, 2016 (UTC)Cheschire-Kaat

Demon Mode
In the latest chapter at this time, Natsu was shown capable of entering a new form. While this form does not have an official name as of yet, it was explained by Porlyusica to come from his powers as a demon. In this form, Natsu assumably destroyed a chair specifically designed to hold any mage of any caliber, and was freely able to move about in Dimaria Yesta's spell, Age Seal. However, this is not yet included on the page. I would like to know one way or another if the admins are waiting for more details on this form in the next chapter, don't see it as a form, or just haven't gotten to it yet. rαhϻϵͷϯαrϯ (talk)

As of yet, no one sees it as a form. What we see are just a new type of flame emerging from his body. Until we get more specifics, we're holding off. 18:59, September 27, 2016 (UTC)

Couldn't we maybe consider him using Curse power? It's kind of implicit he used them to break free from the handcuffs. But then again I understand if you guys still want more information.--Paribus (talk) 19:50, September 27, 2016 (UTC)

It's honestly better to wait the week, because he could have also broken free with brute strength. Since all that stuff happened off-screen, we'll just need to wait and see what he does. It's more correct to play the patience game. 19:56, September 27, 2016 (UTC)

Personality section
Add Natsu's E.N.D. personality to it's respective section. (47.150.117.27 13:58, October 3, 2016 (UTC))

There's nothing to add yet. We don't know if his current berserker rage comes from his demonic powers awakening, believing that Lucy was killed or a combination of both. And until we know that, adding anything specific would be speculation. NoNickNeeded (talk) 15:57, October 3, 2016 (UTC)

I was going to say, "Not with that attitude," but Nick's more "official" reason works equally as well. 16:48, October 3, 2016 (UTC)

Regarding certain Spoilers
I was wondering if someone might change up Natsu's initial description a bit. I was just flicking through pages to learn some character ages when I couldn't find Natsu's I went to the initial description at the top of the page. I didn't know he was Zeref's brother!!! I tend to stick to the media form I start with when going through a series, (be it manga or anime), so I'm currently midway through the Tartaros arc in English. While it's not the biggest shocker in the world, I'm a little bummed out that I read that little tidbit. Could the info be moved down the page a bit? 50.53.118.167 06:21, October 23, 2016 (UTC)

The wikia aims to have up-to-date information as per the latest chapter. If you are reading the articles, you should expect spoilers. 10:52, October 23, 2016 (UTC)

I understand that, but seeing as most character's initial descriptions are one sentence long and have little to no information...I dunno, just seems out of place, especially when you line up all of team Natsus' pages together. Family relationships are something I'd expect to see on a sidebar, not the first sentence. Just my two cents. You guys do you. 50.53.118.167 03:35, October 24, 2016 (UTC)

That's understandable, however, other characters do not have relations that impact their character and the story itself so much. Natsu's "other" indentity is a huge plot point, not mentioning it in a form of introduction would be like cutting out Acnologia being a Dragon King or Zeref being an immortal black mage. It's just a huge part of Natsu's being. 09:21, October 24, 2016 (UTC)

Just waiting on Hiro
Come on Hiro. Give a name for Natsu's Etherious form. Lygarx (talk) 19:04, October 24, 2016 (UTC)

Partners
Aren't Natsu and Lucy and Happy partners? They made the deal back at the beginning of Fairy Tail in Lucy's apartment.

--Starfairyy (talk) 06:20, November 8, 2016 (UTC)

I think that falls under "team" rather than partners. NoNickNeeded (talk) 06:54, November 8, 2016 (UTC)

Possible Spoiler Tags?
Have you guys ever thought of adding spoiler headings in the themes of the characters to warn people who may stumble upon them or find out more than they bargained for? I only bring it up since on the wiki page it says Natsu is E.N.D like right at the start of the page. It just makes it worse since it's also bold so it's essentially the first thing someone sees. Considering that is such a MASSIVE plot point twist for people watching do you think it may be a better idea to at the very least put the fact that Natsu is E.N.D at the bottom of the page or in other one of his tabs? I understand it being a wiki and all it's risky to search things without being spoiled but there exist SO many people who like being as informed as possible without being spoiled.. Figured I'd throw this out there, thanks again. --XPeteyPiranhax (talk) 20:11, November 14, 2016 (UTC)xPeteyPiranhax

May I refer you to the... pretty much same discussion that's just one push of the "page up" button further up on this very talk page? NoNickNeeded (talk) 20:18, November 14, 2016 (UTC)