Talk:Lightning Magic

Ability
The summary is seemingly just Laxus' ability section summary, it just needs to say basic stuff on lightning magic.Zicoihno 01:16, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Casting
Can Cana cast Lightning Spells? Presuming that she uses Card Magic must her spells should fall under the said magic.

Cana has not been shown using Lighting Magic. Lightning Magic is a Caster-type Magic while Card Magic is a Holder-type Magic and this is what Cana uses. Her card spells may invoke lightning but this is not Lightning Magic. 15:43, January 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * Wait. Stranger things have happened. We're gonna settle this. I've got a lot of odd thoughts going on.  16:12, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah. Needs a talk. 20:25, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Type of Magic
As you can see above, the wondering began as to whether or not Cana could cast Lightning Spells. She's currently listed as a user of this Magic on the page but not on her own page. As we know, she's only used lightning-based spells in the anime. However, that's entirely due to her using Card Magic to do so.

A similar situation exists with Erza, who only used lightning through her Lightning Empress Armor. This is Holder Magic through which she used it and is also listed as a user of this Magic.

Basically, I think we need to decide on what kind of Magic this is and who we, as a result, will list as its users. The description of the Magic states it's Caster-type while the template lists it as both Caster-type and Holder-type. I can't recall any other Magic being listed as both types. As far as I remember, they're either one or the other.

Depending on what we conclude it to be, the page may or may not need reorganization and removals. Other Magic pages may need a look as well depending on how this goes.

Just had a talk in chat about this so I feel now is the time to give opinions. 20:25, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Just in case the above isn't clear: Do we name this as solely Caster-type or Caster as well as Holder? We have both types of spells listed on the page.

I now recall Sleep Magic is both. Should this be as well?

Actually, Ultra, despite my level of assurance of what I said on chat, I feel like it's a touchy subject. However, spells like Water Slash and Flame Slash, which are products of Sword Magic, are also classified as both Water and Fire Magic respectively, so perhaps it is the same predicament with Cana's spells?

I'm pleased you opened a discussion about this. It had me conflicting for a bit and luckily, the community can just discuss and vote, if need be. 20:42, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Agh! So conflicting! I went on Erza's profile and it independently lists each magic under her Magic, with the name of the armor that it is used with. I'm not sure what we can do about Cana... 20:44, January 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I was talking to Chaos about it and it was decided this was an odd issue and needs a talk. Your examples are both good and furthermore, Fire Magic is stated to be a Caster-type Magic but Flame Slash, listed there as a Fire Magic Spell, is only useable through the F.Empress Armor, which is Holder Magic. So you can see why I think this needs to be settled. My internet also keeps dying on me >_>  20:47, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

I do believe that Cana can utilize Lightning Magic and it can be employed by both Caster and Holder type of Magic. The same goes with Sleep Magic which was brought up by Ultra which uses both types of magic, wherein with the use of staves, rings and cards the user can perform sleep magic as well as caster type Mirajane who can use Dream Knock. 21:02, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, this is how I see it. Flame Slash, Water Slash and Lightning Empress Armor's lightning spells are categorized as their element's Magic (ex. Fire Magic, Water Magic and Lightning Magic) because they are used with magical swords that produce the elements and Erza can use them when she wants and how she wants. However, Cana's Magic allows her to use the cards, but she has no control over what effects her Cards make. In other words, Cana can "release" the effect of a card, but that's it, she has no Magic over the lightning, fire or anything she makes. So Cana's spells shouldn't be listed in my opinion. 21:04, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

If that is the case then there should also be a discussion over Bora's sleep Magic since he can only "release" it with the use of a ring. Furthermore, regarding Cana's control over lightning, it was shown during Cana and Lucy's fight against Freed and Bickslow that she waited for the right moment until Freed is in the right position before she can electrocute Freed using her cards. Kindly check the second version of Summoned Lightning. 21:21, January 4, 2013 (UTC)