Talk:Mirajane Strauss/Archive 2

Magic
Mirajane can use Transformation magic, Take over, Sleep magic, Water magic, Lightning magic and Darkness magic, can't she? And my question is: can she use water, lightning and darkness magic without satan soul? In my opinion when she is in her real form she can only use sleep magic, transformation and take over, and the other 3 magic is the result of the satan soul. User:Domynyk 17:34, Oct 8, 2011, (UTC)

Unless explicitly stated that they can only be used in Satan Soul it's speculation. In addition, that doesn't matter because they still go in her infobox and Magic and Abilities section whether they are the result of Satan Soul or not.

It was only a question, I don't care about editing pages here... [User:Domynyk]] 17:45, Oct 8, 2011, (UTC)

Well general questions don't go on talk pages, they go to forums or blogs. In addition, if you don't care about editing here don't come here. That would save me a lot of time.

Strength
I think the part about Mira stopping Elfman's punch with one hand should be removed. It's filler; thus not canon and not an accurate portrayal of Mira's physical prowess. And I'm sure this wiki aims to be 100% canonically accurate, no? --Zicoihno (Talk to Me) 01:40, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

The wiki's main source is the manga. But if the anime add things, then it is also shown. The only reason why anime is taken out is when it changes what happened in the manga. 01:43, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Thing is that, that never happened in canon-- canon is all that matters, at the end of the day. Mira has never shown physical strength great enough to stop Elfman's punch like nothing. Never seen any reliable wikis add filler feats to canon characters' ability sections. Just saying, the accuracy of this article just dropped a bit. *shrug*--Zicoihno (Talk to Me) 01:47, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Actually I beg to differ. On the bleach wiki, one of the most reliable wikis out there, we add anime only things all the time. Saying the article's accuracy dropped comes to nothing more than your opinion. We could only list manga happenings on our site, but we've never done that and we never will. This wiki uses both anime and manga so long as they don't contradict each other.

Well looking at, for example, the Ukitake page, I see no feats from the anime in his ability section. Neither does Ichigo's or Renji's. Looks like the Bleach wiki doesn't generally add filler feats to canon characters' ability sections either. Well, it's not really opinion, it does, in fact, effect the canonical accuracy of the section. I'm only talking about information in the ability section, mind you. --Zicoihno (Talk to Me) 01:59, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

So you do like two or three minutes of searching and know the entire site inside out? I'm a member of the Policy & Standards Committee over there, I think I have a pretty good idea of what goes on over there. Take Yoruichi's page for example. In her Hakuda section we say: "In addition, she was able to combat three Shinigami captains and four lieutenant level and above opponents at the same time with Hakuda without receiving any notable damage." that came from a filler arc. Still think we don't? Then please head over to Mayuri Kurotsuchi's page and you will see in his bankai poison section "So far, the only way to be unaffected by the poison is to repel it with a sufficient amount of reiatsu." which also only happened on the filler arc. That depends on what you consider canon. Some consider the manga the only canon, some consider the anime the only canon since it came out later, on this wiki, we consider manga the first source, but we allow the anime so long as it isn't a direct contradiction. It's the way our site as run. If I deleted that feat it would be the same as deleting an anime only spell.

Well I have news for you, the ability sections on the Bleach wiki are lacking in canonical accuracy then.(but that's off-topic) Wait, what? There's no dispute as to what's "canon". Canon material is the manga, not anime, far as I recall. Since you're gonna allow filler feats, wouldn't stating that it occurred in the anime make sense then? All you'd have to add is "In the anime, Mira....". But if that's way of the wiki then that's fine. Just felt like bringing that up. --Zicoihno (Talk to Me) 02:18, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

As I said earlier, that amounts to nothing more than your opinion. There is nothing wrong with our wiki because we choose to acknowledge both the anime and the manga of a series. Because the fairy tail and the bleach franchises consist of both anime and manga. Does manga have more weight? Of course. Does that mean everything from the anime is eliminated? No. O yes there is a dispute. As I said earlier, some argue it's manga some say it's anime. We don't list "in the anime..." because we try to keep our articles as in-universe as possible which is also spelled out in our policies.

It's not an opinion, sir. It does effect the "canonical" accuracy of the section, because non-canon feats are added to the section. It's just my opinion that it shouldn't be there, since I figure reliable wikis would stick with canon feats only. Once again, I'm only talking about filler feats-- not everything from the anime. But then again, small feats like the Mira/Elfman feat isn't a big deal. Like I said, that's fine, I was just putting it out there. --Zicoihno (Talk to Me) 02:35, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

It is your opinion. Because as I said, what each person considers canon differs. I have also explained what is considered canon and what is acceptable on our site. What you figure reliable wikis would do and what reliable wikis do are two different things. Also that logic makes absolutely no sense. If something from the anime wasn't in the manga then it's automatically filler so how can you say you're not talking about everything from the anime? Putting it out there is fine, though I think this conversation has reached the point that it's no longer about changing article info so it doesn't belong on the talk page. You yourself said that it's fine and that you were just putting it out there, so I'll close this discussion, and if you have anything else to say feel free to contact me on my talk page.

New attack
Don't you think these are attacks which we haven't added yet? These don't have name, but I think we should add them. User:Domynyk 19:32, Dec 4, 2011, (UTC)

We never saw the effect of dark energy ball so anything we would add would just be speculation. Saying that the other one increases her force is speculation because to me, it looks more like her punches are just covered with Darkness Magic, but that's speculation also. 19:43, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

Satan's Soul's Magic
Is it actually confirmed that Mirajane's attack called Soul Extinction?? I don't know because when i watched the anime, sounds like she said "Sooru Ekusutinkuto" Which sounds like Soul Extinct to me.

03:11,6/15/2012
 * Every version of that episode I've ever seen has called it Soul Extinction. With anime their really isn't much confirmation, but since Extinction is what everyone has been going with (and personally, that's what it sounds like to me) we'll be keeping it. Thanks anyway though. :) 03:22,6/15/2012

Mirajane's Satan Soul: Sitri
I was looking at Mirajane's page and Im wondering where was the colored version of Mirajane's Satan Soul: Sitri found?

It came from Volume 33's Cover. 16:30,6/23/2012

Satan Soul Sitri Strength
In the first sentence of Satan Soul:Sitri section, it specifically says that Erza says its the most powerful spell in terms of physical strength, yet in the abilities of Sitri's section and its own page, it doesn't say anything about enhanced strength. Isn't that contradictory?

Strength doesn't always mean physical strength. 00:57,7/2/2012

So even though it doesnt have enhanced physical strength, wouldn't it make sense to put just enhanced strength? Because saying that is showing that she has enhanced strength, just not enhanced physical strength.


 * No, you're misunderstanding what enhanced strength means. Enhanced strength means enhanced physical strength, not enhanced overall strength. Enhanced overall strength doesn't even make sense. 23:18,7/4/2012

Satan Soul
Where does it say that Mirajane's basic Satan Soul is one of her most powerful spells? There is no reference for it so I dont know where it is said. -- HyuugaDevoter5765 Talk  01:30, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * It was never said directly but it's definitely implied. Although, implications don't go on our articles so I altered the wording. 01:32,7/11/2012

Mirajane's Attire
Doesn't Mirajane have new clothes in the year X791? In the manga she is wearing a new black dress, which may only have been used for Fairy Tail Team B, but then she is shown still wearing it even after the team's disbandment. Is this her new attire? And if so, will it be added onto her appearance section later on? -- Hyuuga Talk  23:53, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Mirajane never really switches attire for good, but yes, this is her new attire (for now; hopefully for good. I'm sick of the maroon dress. XD) And yes, it will be added to her appearance section. It's just that no one's added it correctly with the right references yet. 23:57,8/9/2012

Satan soul halphas is anime only right
Cause I don't remember that an the manga. (Sonicwave567 (talk) 12:20, August 23, 2012 (UTC))

Voice Actor in Satan Soul
Does Mirajane have the same voice actor while in her Satan Soul transformation?? 10:27,11/20/2012

Water Magic
Hey, uhm I know that this might not be relevant, just incase any references need to be amended or something, but is Mirajane using Water Magic here? --SluttPanda (talk) 21:40, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

If you mean to ask if Mira uses Water Magic, then yes, it's already added to the page. However, are you talking about the reference? If so, can you please use another source that is not mangafox. Mangafox can't be viewed by most of us here. Thank you. :D. 21:46, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

That could have been edited by the editors of the magazine Lucy is holding >.> Not sure if it's Mirajane doing. 21:50, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, never thought of that :P, thanks anyway. --SluttPanda (talk) 21:52, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

Mistake
She wasn`t called the Demon she was called The She Devil.

No, she's called "The Demon". You're probably just reading or watching a bad translation. 02:39,3/10/2013

Trivia
I was wondering if Mirajane being confirmed one of the top 2 strongest girls in FT is worth being trivia. Mashima said so himself, so it's worth a shot. This trivia could also be added on Cana, Juvia, and Erza's pages respectively since Mashima said something about their power levels as well. Something like this could be typed:

Mashima confirmed on his twitter that Mirajane and Erza are the two strongest girls in the Fairy Tail Guild, although he never specified which one was stronger than which. The source is here, Mashima said it himself. If you can't read Japanese, use Chrome to translate the whole page. https://twitter.com/hiro_mashima/status/297734728348475393 --R. Lawton (talk) 20:23, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

No, not really. We've known that from the start, it's just something not trivia-worthy. 20:34, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

Oh ok, just wanted to know since people have been beginning to doubt Juvia and Mirajane's strength recently( at least where I have been on forums). Thanks for taking this into consideration though --R. Lawton (talk) 02:22, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Endurance/Stamina Feats
I added some endurance/stamina feats, someone can remove it if they like but I feel as though what I added is more up-to-date and shows even more of her endurance feats. R. Lawton (talk) 02:27, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * No, it's fine. :) 03:30,5/20/2013

Relationship with yukino
maybe you can add yukino in her relationship.. :)

Orrrrrrr you can :) The wiki is free for anyone to add and edit. You can add something and whether its right or not, it can be changed or left alone! Just make sure you add your references as well 14:21, May 28, 2013 (UTC)