User blog comment:IamJakuhoRaikoben/Chapter 440: God Serena, Review./@comment-26389992-20150615123219/@comment-1153699-20150617142702

@Wrath -> 1) Laxus took in Tempesta's MBP as if it was his own element or something. He actually cleared the area around them so that Freed could take everyone back to FT. Juvia took in probably only a few whiffs of the stuff (about the same amount as Natsu, Bickslow, Evergreen, Lucy and Yajima took in..). She didn't take in all of Keith's MBP. What makes you think she did? Porlyusica said Laxus took in so much it's a miracle he's still alive. Even after they got the antidote and treated Laxus, he was still out for a week. There are a lot of powerful Mages who would have died or at least not full recover if they were in Laxus's place.

2) Mira was fighting for more than 40 minutes with BSS and then switched to Sitri. I doubt she had a lot of Magic left in her body considering how taxing she said Satan Souls are. And when a Mage's Magic tank goes down, attacks directed at them become more lethal. Besides, I believe it was stated in the Tartaros Info Cards that when Sayla releases her Limiter, her offense doubles in power. She's like the Orga of Tartaros imo. She has the strongest offense but she's not the strongest overall. Sayla also had little to no Curse Power left in her body -> http://img4.mangasee.co/series/FairyTail/0398-017.png

3) Erza and Mira are not equal in power lol. Mira was inactive for 2 and half years. Not to mention she doesn't have as much endurance as Gray, Natsu and Erza have and Sayla definitely one of the stronger demons in Tartaros.

Hiro obviously has a power ranking list or something like that. He said Erza was the strongest woman in FT followed by Mira, then Juvia, then Cana. That's why you'll also never see someone like Elfman giving some sort of a match against people like Laxus or Erza.

I believe that with feats and portrayal (and reading between the lines ofc..), you can get an estimate of where characters are at power wise.

Yes, even in FT...

@Jakuho -> 1) Fine with me.

2) The hype the monsters got (at least the low ranking ones) was for comedic purposes. The S-Class monster was stated to be so strong even a WS isn't guaranteed to defeat it right? Well, Erza back in the Tower of Heaven was also considered to be WS level. GMG Jura is a WS as well. But the gap in power between the two is enormous. All Wizard Saints's powers differ from one another. One WS can be so much stronger than the other that they're capable of one-shotting the latter but both of them are still viewed as Wizard Saints regardless of the gap between them.

Juvia is an S-Class Mage. So is Gildarts. Yet Gildarts would mop the floor with her any day of week. Someone who isn't even S-Class yet (x792 Natsu) can beat a WS (x784 Jura) quite easily. That means titles don't mean much in this Manga.

3) I'm pretty sure the two sites you've seen use Mangapanda's translation. Mangastream's translation has been proven to be more accurate than Mangapanda's many times. If I had to choose which translation to trust, I would pick Mangastream. Many others would too. Although there has been a few fuck ups in Mangastream's translations as well (Erza and her Nakagami Armor is one example for that).

You can think of someone being powerful without them being actually stronger than you, yes. But the thing is Makarov was shocked by how strong Kagura was. His jaw dropped. It's a combination of his expression and his comment that makes me think Kagura's at least not far from his level when she's serious.

Erza has never had an expression like Makarov had when she watched Natsu fight (using only his powers and not getting some from other sources at least).

The expressions Gildarts and Makarov had are even more different. Gildarts was grinning the whole way through his fight with Natsu, Makarov's expression was completely the opposite.

4) You said that according to my logic, Gray and Erza were both weaker than Ikusa-Tsunagi and Natsu because they were sweating. I said they were sweating not because they were weaker but because Ikusa-Tsunagi was more than 400 meters tall and Natsu wasn't sweating because he was pissed off.

Gray and Erza were level-headed. Natsu was pissed off. If Natsu was also level-headed, he would have sweated as well.

5) Makarov was getting steamrollered by Hades while Laxus could give the latter a good fight if he actually intended to finish the guy off himself. Makarov said FF arc Laxus's power was "the real deal" (GMG arc Laxus is a loooot stronger than he was back in FF arc), Makarov participated in the fight against Tartaros but wasn't reaaally a game changer there even when he used Titan (he also got a few scratches from the fodders he fought). And Makarov's reaction to Kagura's power makes me believe she's at the very least not far off his level when she's serious with her sword unsheathed.

6) Ooba said Jura ascended to fifth strongest WS while FT (all core members) were gone. She wasn't talking about Makarov specifically. And Makarov was still active at the time according to Erza -> http://img4.mangasee.co/series/FairyTail/0342-005.png

7) You said Jupiter completely destroyed Erza's Armor (which it did tbf) while Kagura's Slash Form didn't. So I said that the reason for that is Jupiter's AoE. But when it comes to actual Damage, Kagura's attack isn't any weaker than Jupiter. In fact, I view Kagura's attack as even stronger than Jupiter because of how easily it cut through the Armor and also because Pre-SO Erza is stronger than FF Erza.

Saying Makarov must have a counter for Kagura's Gravity Magic is speculation at best tbh. Just because he has a lot of experience doesn't mean he can counter her Gravity Magic, just like it doesn't mean he can counter Zeref's Magic and Mard's Memento Mori. He also didn't really have a counter to anything Hades did to him. Mard has even more experience than Makarov (being around for 400 years) but it doesn't mean he can counter everything.

Kagura never used her Gravity Magic against Erza or Minerva simply because she didn't need it. During their threesome battle, Kagura wasn't going all out. Against Erza, Kagura dominated easily. Why would she use Gravity Magic on someone she can easily beat without it?

8) It's the same thing with Juvia. When she got mad at Meredy and kicked her ass, Erza said Juvia was using her true power. Imo, the same thing happened when Kagura manhandled Erza. Kagura just stopped holding back like she said.

9) I would be really surprised if it turned out Makarov was still training even though he's pushing 90 and was the Master of a very troublesome guild (meaning he has to deal with the council a lot). Why would he, an 88 year old man, train? What reason does he have to train?

10) But Makarov actually said he had trouble following Erza's slash. He himself said that.

Laxus doesn't have Makarov's experience, yes. But Makarov doesn't have the endurance, agility, mobility and CQC of people as young and active as Laxus or Jura.

11) If Makarov really was stronger than Jura he wouldn't have been shocked like he was. He would have been surprised and said "he's gotten a lot stronger" or something like that. But instead his jaw dropped and he said: "Amazing... He'd be a match even for Gildarts". That comment alone pretty much means Makarov admits he isn't on Gildarts's lvl and by extension, not on Jura's or Laxus's lvl as well.

The whole "immeasurable" thing was waaay back in chapter 26 during Galuna Island. GMG characters are on a whole other level compared to x784 characters (main characters, side characters, enemies etc..).