Talk:Ajeel Raml/Archive 2

Third Damn Name Vote
Opening the last name part too, because why the fuck not. 10:08, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

Support

 * 1) Because Chaos said that it was closer to the "zi" sound, not that it was supposed to be pronounced that way. In regards to any comments about saying that Chaos stated that the name was meant to be pronounced Azeel, read again. Chaos said that it had hoped that Azyle would be read as "A-zeel" but then later realized that people were reading it as "A-zile". So anyone that says Chaos said this or Chaos said that is wrong. Chaos just put in its two cents about how it personally would translate things, and just gave a guide to another possible equally as correct translation. I don't care if we have multiple -ajeels. Maybe they're connected? No idea. But there's nothing wrong with it. We have 3 Marys on the wiki all with different katakana, but they all still spell out Mary. This should be no different. And name changes should not be supported or opposed based on the idea of what is easier and what is not. This is what bots are for: to do the things that are tedious. If the name change is tedious, then use a bot. It is about having what we agree on as a community to be the most correct name and blah blah blah -insert more shit here-  10:08, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * 2) Lol, I'm convinced.  10:35, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * 3) Let's just end this already. 10:44, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * 4) Coz it follows yajeel's format imitating gajeel's spelling and this guy's name is spelled like yageel.  11:09, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * 5) yeah idc nomore now. But the last name should of been left alone {Ncduru (talk) 13:08, August 7, 2015 (UTC)}
 * 6) With consideration, I'd like to stick with this now.  16:38, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * 7) In the first vote for this, I stuck to this anyways.
 * 8) Never wanted it to change--
 * 9) Bruh. --ಠ◡ಠ 21:54, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * 10) --  The Talk Goblin  08:01, August 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * 11)  13:12, August 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * 12) JayAaerow (talk) 17:39, August 10, 2015 (UTC)

Neutral

 * 1) Will see how it goes first  11:02, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

Support

 * 1) Although I agree with your points Wrath, I still believe this is better.   10:12, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

Neutral

 * 1) May change my vote to this if it comes down to a tie (I doubt it) and Ajeel isn't one of the winning options.  10:08, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

Lamur

 * 1) Cuz Rommul is shit. XP   10:12, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * 2) Just sounds right to me  11:02, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * 3) {Ncduru (talk) 13:12, August 7, 2015 (UTC)}
 * 4) And I've stuck to this since the beginning ...
 * 5) Cause yes--
 * 6) Double lol  13:12, August 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * 7)  13:29, August 10, 2015 (UTC)

Ramule

 * 1) I'm sticking to this.  10:35, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

Rommul

 * 1) Cuz.  10:10, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * 2) We're getting nowhere like this. Lamur sounds a bit silly to me. This one reminds me of Romulus from the legend of Romulus and Remus. Just saying. Not of any significance whatsoever. 10:44, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * 3) Coz it sounds like erwin rommel also known as "Desert Fox", but i guess just because one person was a nazi everyone with a rommel surname should be punished right, like a surname racism lol.  11:15, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * 4) lol srsly boys, Oppose votes just complicates the voting process and doesn't diminish a tally anyways.  16:40, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * 5) THIS is better than Lamur hah! >:D --ಠ◡ಠ 21:57, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * 6) --  The Talk Goblin  08:02, August 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * 7) "Ajeel Rommul" I say because it is used in Crunchyroll, which not riddled with confusion, and also is part of the wikia's rules...so that we're not in these discussion of preferable name changing. I don't care for this "these names sound a like" because in real life, people have similar names/same names all the time. It can happen in fiction too I guess. We're smart readers. Most of us anyway JayAaerow (talk) 17:39, August 10, 2015 (UTC)

Discussion
(in response to Wrath's support for Ajeel; originally posted below his vote) As I said below, I think your arguments are valid, but this just doesn't seem right. After providing similar names for characters before, like Yuri and Yury for instance, Mahsima himself stated that he would avoid having similarly named characters. And in this case it is not just two characters, it's three. Gajeel, Yajeel and Ajeel. And although they are all correct translations, I just don't think Mashima would have meant it this way. I feel like the author's former statements should be valued highly in such a situation. Perhaps Ajeel is correct, and Mashima may have even meant for that to be his translated name; if that's the case however, I feel like he would not have meant for Yajeel to be named Yajeel. All in all it just doesn't seem right to me to have three characters with very similar names. On top of that two of the three characters in question were introduced two mere chapters from each other. And to round this off, there is not even any speculative evidence that say these three are connected in any way, other than the fact that two of them are affiliated with the same organization/empire; thus that argument is invalid. 12:24, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

I don't see the point in even casting an oppose vote in cases like these, because there are just so many options to choose from it makes you look sour. It's better if you just cast your support vote instead of taking away someone else's vote and stacking the odds in the other's favor. Every vote someone casts has bias, but even if it is too much like Rommel, the dude's epithet was "the Desert Fox". It isn't out of the realm of reality nor possibility for Mashima to make a reference to Nazi Germany. It shouldn't be a big deal, I mean for crying out loud, the Quincies in Bleach are effectively the freaking Nazis on a supernatural scale and no one says anything about that. 11:06, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * Fair point, well made Wrath. Point on the Quincies is kinda lost on me, don't read Bleach. But to put into perspective; when was the last time anyone met someone called Adolf that wasn't old enough to be their grandfather? Also, the subtle dig, don't appreciate it Geist. Word association just works like that for some people, when I said it looked too much like Rommel, I was specifically referring to Erwin Rommel, no one else with the surname/family name Rommel. Having said that, the idea that this character could be named after 'The Desert Fox' is kinda cool if looked at solely in that regard. Was going to say something else, forgot what it was, oh well. And that's the final word from me on this matter. 11:54, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

I really don't see what's with all the ruckus in the name for this character... and I swear those votes are changing each time we have a new name change plan. first people don't want Ajeel cause its so close to Gajeel... then they want Ajir cause its so close to Ajeel but different. now everyone wants Ajeel because its good... my brain is going to explode. 12:36, August 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * *pats* I feel ya ( ._.)/ 12:49, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

@Umnei Oppose votes do diminish a tally. It's neutral votes that don't carry weight. >__<  16:45,8/7/2015

They do?! What the hell- All the votings that we've tallied and passed through... So many other results should've won out.. >:/ *clenches a meat cleaver and hurls it at Rai* 16:50, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * Lol, of course. Where have you been silly? XD  16:52,8/7/2015

-hiss- 16:53, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * I thought you're only allowed to vote once... as in support the one you want or oppose the one you don't want... Because if one person support AND oppose... that means not only that the supporting team gain one point, the opposite team will also lose a point means that if at the start its a tie, i vote one and oppose one, it would make the supporting team 2 points ahead.  05:21, August 8, 2015 (UTC)


 * I think it's extra retarded to be able to Support AND Oppose in votings with multiple options. Inb4 an option with a low amount of votes wins only because the two major options cancel each other out. 13:12, August 8, 2015 (UTC)


 * Im not gonna vote for this new name change because it's too freakin' annoying and I don't see the problem with the current one to cause two name changings. 3 name change plan within like 3 weeks of character introduction. sooo we're expecting to get even more when the anime introduces the character with their character name... 03:49, August 9, 2015 (UTC)

I only have this to say: 00:02, August 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * What took you guys so long to finally question the validity of my translation. You guys have no idea how long I've been waiting for this...


 * I don't think anyone thinks you're wrong per se, it's just there seems to be a lot of factors in play here that people are throwing at each other 13:12, August 8, 2015 (UTC)

Deleted Votes

 * 1) 'Cuz, like Dex said, too much like Rommel. Personal bias! \( ^_^)/ --Sane Lunatic (talk) 10:51, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * 2) Refer to Sane's comment  11:02, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * 3) Cause apparently we are opposing whatever option we don't like and also Im tired of everyone sucking Crunchy's dick.--
 * 4) Since we're allowed to oppose, I'll oppose this. I hate it. XP   17:49, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * 5) Since you guys want to play this game  13:12, August 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * 6) Because Desert Fox.  16:26, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * 7) Tit for tat. Plus, Crunchy uses Rommul as well and at this point, I feel more comfortable just being uniform to what they have since they are the biggest and/or single distributor of FT in the english language.  16:51, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * 8) just coz i learned something new today and if ever Ajeel was the name voted by the majority it sounds weird if he is called Ajeel Lamur, too much L its like calling Gajeel Ledfox, i guess thats just me. Also i would pick azir lamur in the first place if yajeel's name will also be changed to yazir coz they have the same format compared to gajeel's name who doesnt have the ー meaning a long vowel sound. XD  17:33, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * 9) What Wrath said >_> --ಠ◡ಠ 21:58, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * 10) Two can play this game, Misk! --  The Talk Goblin  18:33, August 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * 11) Am I the only one to oppose this name? --ಠ◡ಠ 21:55, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

Immense Magic Power
Proposal: Give Ajeel Immense Magic Power. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 18:31, October 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * Support
 * 1) --Sane Lunatic (talk) 18:31, October 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * 2) I thought this was obvious by now. There's so much stuff clearly showing how much powerful he actually is. .-.
 * 3) this a "duh" type of vote but I understand why to vote on it since it was never actually stated by somebody he has immense power... but yeah blocking Jupiter should tell you all you need to know...  Ncduru Ravens wallpaper (2).jpg 18:41,10/27/2015
 * 4) Yes --
 * 5) Completely agree with what Sane is saying below; don't feel like I need to add anything.
 * 6)  21:21, October 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * 7) This should be rather obvious. JayAaerow (talk) 23:26, October 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * 8) If it will speed this nonsense up.  03:17, October 28, 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Neutral

So, apparently Ajeel scaring the crap out of Makarov, blocking Jupiter with one hand, covering Magnolia and environs in a sandstorm and being said to be on Brandish's level is not enough to give him the Immense Magic Power label.
 * Discussion

Imo, it is also ridiculously inconsistent for Brandish to have this label just 'cuz of the statements of Gray and the others, but Ajeel not having it despite the fact that his Magic Power is said to be comparable to Brandish's, in a general manner by Brandish herself and quite specifically by Gray. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 18:31, October 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * Here's the thing people. We can't list something unless we have a solid reference for it, even if its obvious. Yes, it was obvious that Ajeel had immense magic power but we had never seen any feats from him to qualify as such. His little fight at Alvarez wasn't much and I'm not sure if blocking Jupiter would fall under magic power. However, the recent chapter revealed his sandstorm encasing the entire town, which IS a feat of immense magic power. Sane the difference between Brandish and Ajeel is we have multiple first hand witnesses claiming that Brandish' magic power is on a whole other level. With Ajeel, we only have Brandish making a general statement that the other spriggans are the same as her. That statement is far too general and we only have Brandish' word to go on. We didn't witness anything from Ajeel to say he had immense magic power until recently whereas with Brandish, even after we had multiple statements of her strength, she backed up their claims by shrinking an entire island into nothing. So yes, there were two different cases here.--
 * Gray specifically said that Ajeel is on Brandish's level. If it's the 'probably' in his statement which bothers people, then it is just a manner of speech. When I say that A is about as good a player or is probably as good a player of football as B, I mean that they are on par and that trying to rank them is too difficult. So I don't see why this is not a solid reference. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 19:09, October 27, 2015 (UTC)

Can I please point out that is just fucking stupid. Like seriously. Fucking. Stupid. I have never seen something more retarded than the discussion I am reading, unless you count the basis upon which it started. Ajeel blocking Jupiter with a single hand should be considered a feat of magic power as he is a wizard, and if a normal human tried to block that they would have been incinerated, so that's number 1. >_> Ajeel using his magic to create a sandstorm that covers an entire town and creates a range of visibility so low that nobody can fight or function is a feat of Magic Power, because it takes someone of unreal magical caliber to create something of that size. Ajeel was stated to be as strong as God Serena (at the very least) by Hyberion, Gray commented that Brandish's Magic Power was the greatest he had ever felt and was "obscene" in size, even that it's greater than Makarov's own, and then Brandish herself said that the other 11 were of her caliber, meaning they are of similar strength (bar August, of course, as we learned later). If all of these are not frames for reference then I don't know what the fuck we're even doing with our time. This shouldn't even be a vote; just provide the references for everything I've mentioned (in your own preferred order and at your discretion), write it in an intelligible way, and then move on with our lives and focus our time and effort onto more important wiki matters. Wrath out, bitches. >_> 20:04, October 27, 2015 (UTC)

Sky is blue, water is wet? What are you guys on about. We can't reference this? And what about all the feats he has shown? At this point we may as well remove the whole Magical Power shit. It's subjective and if it's gonna bring such stupid discussions, yea, no, ty. Because Zeref blowing up a whole Grimoire Heart airship as a testament of his magical power isn't enough of a good reference. #sarcasm intended 21:21, October 27, 2015 (UTC)

If I recall, he's held in high regard concerning power by the Ten Wizard Saints and Brandish's comment earlier in the arc. Not to mention he's vastly outclassing most of the villains we've seen. Pretty sure saying he has "Immense Magical Power" wouldn't hurt.JayAaerow (talk) 23:26, October 27, 2015 (UTC)

Firstly, the issue isn't whether or not Ajeel has Immense Magic Power because it's beyond clear that he does (something which I've said at least a dozen times already). The issue was that there was no in series reference to his Magic Power. Prior to this issue, every single last article with any reference to Magic Power was due to some sort of in series mention (a la Gildarts, Mirajane, Erza, Bluenote, Jura, Hades, Brain, Natsu, Brandish, etc. etc.) Those without in series references even if they obviously had Immense Magic Power didn't have it listed (a la Zeref, Mavis, Acnologia, etc. etc.) Now I'm not asserting that we should continue doing something a certain way simply because we've always done it that way. I'm just saying that it is how it was done until now. Secondly, Sane, if several powerful characters (including multiple who are known to have immense amounts of Magic Power themselves) comment on the overwhelmingly large nature of a person's Magic Power, then it's not at all wrong to list that person as having Immense Magic Power. Thirdly, I was unaware that Gray had made any sort of comparison between Ajeel and Brandish's Magic Power. Since he did make an in series mention of his Magic Power, I'm more than fine with the feat being re-added. :P 04:09,10/28/2015