Talk:Mirajane Strauss/Archive 1

Mirajane being a mage
Would it be right to classify one of Mirajane's occupations as a Mage? She knows the magic and such, but she doesn't any missions like the other Mages in the guild so I don't see how she can be one. Thoughts? Dalyup! 16:09, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

She hasn't gone back into the field yet. Despite having her power back she still tends the Guild. So I don't think she should be considered a mage yet. Maybe a "Magical Waitress" Shock Dragoon

Yeah, I had similar thoughts. Okay, I'll just leave the Occupation field as it is. Dalyup! 18:11, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Transformation Chapter
She taught Natsu, Lucy and Happy transformation magic in an omake although only Natsu is able to transform properly. What chapter is this? --Cococrash11 07:19, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Mira-sensi's Transformation Magic Lesson. Which you can view here. Dalyup! 23:31, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Magic
"Water Magic: Mirajane has been shown to use water magic, she appears to be very good at it, creating attacks from a river or lake."

She didn't use water magic, she used her massive magical energy to move the water. Fried mentions it right here. - WhiteArmor - (Talk) - 16:49, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

I think Mira can use water magic. She appears in Sorcerer (the magazine) using water magic. before regain her powers, she only did basic magic of water, but she can control this element. I think we should put again that she can use water magic. i hope the answer

(oh and I dont speak english very well, i hope you understand me xD)

Mira* 20:44, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Deceased??
Should we put deceased since she died in chapter 220? --KiumaruHamachi 20:37, January 29, 2011 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi

No. Until it's fully confirmed by the author or the story that she died, do not put in this kind of speculation, no matter how it looks right now. Chaos Knight -{E-mail}  21:22, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Chaosknight. we don't know and its not confirmed that Mira is dead. (i hope she is well..)

Mira* 20:40, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

Mirajane's Abilities and magic>?disspeared
where did it go?i mean everyones page or at least in their magic page there's a slide show of their abilities....where's mrajanes even if you search on Take over there isn't a single one except satan soul.... mind explaining>?Lunarbash08 10:37, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

Trivia points need referencing.
As of right now, I'm referencing all the info on Mirajane's page, and deleting false info, rewording things, etc. I'm not done yet, but I have decided to check up on the Trivia section. It is not a requirement of this site to have references for all the info or any of the info added, but it would be nice. So with that being said these Trivia points below don't have a reference and I don't remember them. I know they probably are true, but I don't remember them so I can't reference them. So I am asking everyone or whoever wants to keep these trivia points(because they aren't bad trivia) to find a reference to these points or something so it can be confirmed that they are true. Thankyou in advance. Iam... JakuhoRaikoben 01:44, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

■She taught Natsu, Lucy and Happy transformation magic in an omake although only Natsu is able to transform properly. This is an alright trivia point but an omake doesn't help, could you be a little more specific please.

■She considers Plue to be the strongest spirit ever. I vaguely remember this and it is not bad trivia so if someone could find a reference to this statement that would help.

■She's good at cooking, as stated by Lisanna. I think this is a nice trivia point, but it needs a reference.

Thankyou ChaosKnight for the references and the trivia removal. Iam... JakuhoRaikoben 02:09, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Alot of pages on this site need references. Time to get on that for all of us.Zicoihno (Talk to Me) 06:59, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Mirajane FORFEITED OR LOST.
Okay, due to the recent changes to Mirajane's major battles by ErzaLover and Garyness, I've decided to open up a voting for Mirajane's battle with Azuma's status.

If you think it should be FORFEITED then put - your reason here.

If you think it should be LOST then put - your reason here.

At least one admin should vote. Also lets not change it until all voting is complete.

Voting
-I think it should be FORFEITED as Mirajane's fight technically ended since she gave up on fighting him. For her to to have lost she would have had to have been beaten, and while she was losing due to her having used up most of her Magic Power in the fight with Elfman and Evergreen, she didn't get beaten she stopped fighting. So in my opinion since she stopped fighting I think that would be a fight that she forfeited instead of one she lost. Also Mystogan stopped his fight with Laxus and yet no one argues that he lost, my main point would be that she discontinued the fight to save Lisanna. 02:42, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

-LOST. just because you give up doesnt mean you dont lose. Also, a forfeit has not been seen anywhere else on the wiki so its easier to just categorize it as a lost. And i bet this is all based off Mangastrreams translation where they translate Mira saying "so your sisters going to forfeit now". I bet if they translated it anything else like "so your sisters giving up now", people would not have even thought of it as a forfeit. A loss is a loss, and forfeiting is just an excuse. Its easier to keep the outcomes as WON,LOSS,UNDETERMINED,INTERFERED, and DRAW. Garyness 03:16, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

She lost, giving up is not an excuse at all. She could not handle Azuma, simple as that. Even if her sister was a liability, she still could not defeat Azuma. So either way she was defeated in that fight, there are no forfeits in real battles- this is not a tournament. Zicoihno (Talk to Me) 03:37, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

- She stopped fighting!!!!! If she had been beaten to the point where she could no longer fight then it would be a loss. But the point is she said she forfeited, and she did. It doesn't matter what she could or could not do it matter what she did. The facts are she she said she forfeited. Also, just because it isn't used anywhere else on the sight doesn't mean anything, it's probably not used because nobody else has been confirmed as forfeiting. So I say it should be FORFEITED. ErzaLover 04:00, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

- She forfeited because she could've kept going but she didn't, sure Lisanna might have died but she could've kept fighting until the end. She stopped Satan Soul by her own will. Rauleli 02:56, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

--response to above--> couldve, wouldve shouldve. We dont know what might have happened, and yes it was her choice to stop fighting, but that doesnt justify her losing the battle, even if it was to protect somebody else. Point is it was Mira's decision to stop fighting. Giving up and getting beat up results in the same thing as just getting beating up. Garyness 19:57, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, the current vote is 3 for FORFEITED and 2 for LOST. We'll wait to an admin has casted their vote before we decide if it stays FORFEITED or changes to LOST. 20:50, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

So I check the definition of forfeit on both Merriam-Webster and Oxford Dictionary, and both of them gave me the definition of forfeit to be the lose or be deprived of as a penalty for wrongdoing, or to lose or lose the right to especially by some error, offense, or crime. By this, neither of the definition supports what Mirajane had done in order to protect Lisanna. Therefore, forfeit is not grammatically correct here. Chaos Knight -{E-mail}  03:14, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

The admin has casted their vote and it shall be LOST so I'll go make the change on her page. 03:20, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Second Alias?
Should her nickname, Mira, be added to her Aliases? Since a lot of people call her that. Scarlet wind Step into the Light 00:32, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I think that would be acceptable. 03:44, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Major Battles
Okay so we decided Mirajane's battle status with Azuma as LOST since FORFEIT's definition didn't match up with what Mirajane did exactly. Be that as it may, there were still more votes against LOST, and the fact still remains that I'm still a little shakey about "LOST" since even though FORFEIT wasn't accurate, LOST doesn't fit perfectly either. I think it should be UNDETERMINED since as was stated earlier she discontinued the fight of her own will. It is argued above that discontinuing a fight still equals LOST, but Mystogan discontinued his fight with Laxus, and Mystogan vs Laxus is listed as UNDETERMINED, so Mirajane vs. Azuma should be listed as that as well. 21:55, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

but when Mystogan discontinued his fight, he was clearly still able to fight, he just chose not to because his face was revealved. Mirajane was knocked out, couldnt move. Azuma was obviously the victor. Due to his magic, Mirajane was ended up immobile, thus Azuma won the fight and Mirajane lost. Undetermined only really applies if the characters flee or the fight is never finished. This fight was clearly finished.

and a side note, you shouldve kept it as LOST on the actual page, since so far the official decision was LOST. Its more curtious to wait until this discussion is over instead of just changing it to what you want.Garyness 01:52, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

True, so I shall change it back until it's finished. When Mirajane discontinued her fight she was still able to fight as well. The fight ended when Mirajane deactivated Satan Soul, and went over to Lisanna. She might have been knocked out as a result of Azuma's Magic, but their fight had already ended. If Azuma would have attacked her with the Magic directly then it would be considered a LOST but she ended her fight with him, and took the brunt of the blast for Lisanna and thus their battle had ended and the result was UNDETERMINED. 02:07, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Voting
Alright this voting is re-opened since FORFEIT wasn't a "correct" term though there were still more votes against LOST so we are having a voting for UNDETERMINED vs. LOST. Please place all Votes and Arguments below.

To vote for UNDETERMINED place - and your reason.

To vote for LOST place - and your reason.

- Mirajane discontinued her fight with Azuma and then took the brunt of the explosion for Lisanna. If she had been knocked out due to a result of a direct assault by him then it should be LOST, but not in this case. Just as in the case of Laxus vs Mystogan, Mirajane was able to fight when the fight ended and she deactivted Satan Soul, and thus it should be UNDETERMINED. 02:25, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

- I say undeter., pretty much the same reasons as up there. ErzaLover 03:01, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Undetermined is a term for off panel fights, for which we don't know the outcome. We know the outcome, Mira laying unconsious over Lisanna. She lost, it's that simple. Azuma is somewhere relaxing, since he is the victor. This is not like Laxus vs Mystogan, since both stopped and there was no actual combat result. But Azuma kept going and blew Mira away, pardon the pun, there was a start and a finish with an effective result. Mirajane and Lisanna '''lost. Zicoihno  (Talk to Me) 03:19, April 12, 2011 (UTC)'''

already stated my reasons. And as Zicoilhno said, Mirajanes knocked out right now, Azumas just chilling. So Azuma obviously won the fight. Its not his fault that Lisanna was a burden. Mira still lost even though she was giving up her capability to fight for her sister. IF theres anything we should be voting on is if to include Lisanna in the fight. Undetermined is still the wrong term because the battle was finished with somebody defeated, and the other victorious. So Mirajane lost.Garyness 19:49, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

- she didn't lose she gave up on fighting for lisanaHidanShihoin 22:51, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

-I think since Mira deactivated Satan Soul and covered Lisanna from the explosion that the fight is undetermined. Azuma didn't attack Mira directly, he attacked Lisanna but Mira took the damage for her... Lorcy 09:37, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, we've reached a concensus and it shall be UNDETERMINED. 21:31, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Undetermined
Okay, so I know I'm really late, but how is this undetermined in any way? Although to make it clearer, I think it's best to put it as two separate battles - Azuma vs. Lisanna and Mirajane as Undetermined, since Azuma stopped "fighting" them to propose a 1v1 versus Mirajane and then trapped Lisanna when he put that binding bomb on her, setting the stage for Azuma vs Mirajane, in which he Won since Mirajane both announced that she forfeited the match and still ended up defeated (unconscious, thought to be dead at first) in the end. Horologium4 00:27, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

It was chosen to be undetermined because Mirajane chose to stop fighting of her own free will, and forfeited was going to be placed at first, but it wasn't a correct term so we revoted and decided that UNDETERMINED was the best choice.