Talk:Mavis Vermillion

The page is locked so....
Since I cannot edit a thing, can somebody be so kind so as to add both Fairy Glitter and Fairy Law to "Magic & Abilities"? She gave Fairy Glitter to Cana, and being the 1st master of Fairy Tail, and having knowledge of the three great magics, it can be assumed she knows Fairy Law too, thanks. --BGMaxie 16:00, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

Fairy Glitter sure, Fairy Law, no. We know she has it, but it won't be added until she uses it.


 * It could be argued that she invented Fairy Law since she has the other two great magics of Fairy Tail. I won't add it since it's against your wishes but it does fit the pattern of her magic.(I just wanted to comment on that ^^) Shadowneko 18:21, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

How come we know she has it? :P

-- 18:23, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

Quote
Can we change her quote to "Unwavering Faith and Resilient Bonds will bring even miracles to your side" (Chapter 255, Page 17)? 01:30, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

I think it'd be fine.

✅ 01:38, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

Japanese
The quote of Mavis 'It's become a wonderful guild, Third' It is actually incorrect for the 2nd panel-'Third'.

First of all, The MangaReader.net translation for the page made a mistake. and putting just 'Third' sounds...a bit vague and weird in the sentence. Trust me, I have experience in Japanese and Kanji to at least intermediate level because I have taken and pass the JLPT tests before.

Actual Kanji said on the second panel is 'San Dai Me' 'San'- Third, 'Dai'- Generation, 'Me'- in grammar, it is an ending suffix add to an ordinary number. like how enlgish you would sometimes say '2nd' instead of '2'. RAW Scan Picture here: http://www.imagebam.com/image/300d9b153961471

so basically it is better translates to 'the Third Generation'

Miya3 02:17, October 16, 2011 (UTC)User:Miya3

Talk to this user  and have him weigh in on the conversation. He's the only one who speaks Japanese on the site.

What you are saying is correct, 三代目 is more closely translated to third generation. If it were me, I would've translated as either "Third Master" or "The Third" so that it match the context more because it's as you wrote, only having a "third" is really weird...

By the way, here's a wild guess from me, did you confused 「目」 with 「芽」? Chaos Knight -{E-mail}  03:05, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

fairy law
she can use fary law magic?? --Nitram86 19:56, March 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Very likely. But it can't be added until she actually uses it.

Info
i must know more about marvis! idk why but she intrigues me....if anyone happens to know more please put it on her page and yes i know i know we can only know so much simply because of the managa but still.....

When more information comes up, it will definitely be added to the page. 22:49, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Reference needed
"Despite being an Ethereal body, her bodily functions still seem to work, which is why she still needs to use the bathroom." - there should be a reference to where this comes from. --89.176.75.26 13:54, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Relationship of Mavis and Zeref?
Out of curiosity, I would just like to ask what is the relationship between Zeref and Mavis? I think they were probably in love before... 10:28, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

No relationship between Mavis and Zeref has ever been established, or even implied. Furthermore, this isn't an issue for the talk page. Without a statement from the series or Mashima, the notion that they have any connection is speculation. 10:31, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Master Tactician
Given that after observing the participants at the Magic Games, she could predict the movement of absolutely everyone perfectly, a 'Master Tactician' section in the Powers and Abilities seems a reasonable addition. Or maybe give it another week, the next chapter is titled 'Fairy Tactician' and that's probably gonna expand on her abilities. :) 131.111.184.8 20:36, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Isn't it a magical ability. Look at her eyes in the latest chapter, it's patterned with a somewhat a flare. Can't we add to her magic the Fortune Telling or just a new section for Eye Magic?

Hair Color
Hi guys, I think you should change the hair color to "Pale Yellow"- Lucy has blonde hair, but Mavis' hair is very bright yellow. You should name it differently. Thanks for your attention :) NickDibuv (talk) 16:25, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

You mean Light Blond? Yeah, it should be Light Blond 20:41, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Status
Should her status be Spirit instead of Dead? I mean ya she is dead, but with her hanging out with the rest of the guild during the games, she's not so much "dead" as she is a spirit. Brakkis (talk) 03:53, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

But doesn't the term "spirit" denote that she is dead anyway? :3 Besides, if we start to get into specifics when choosing status', things can start to get complicated. As such, here on the Wiki we have as little categories as possible. "Deceased" is fine in this case. 06:11, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

No because she never said she was dead. she refered to herself as an astral form not spirit. and as of the now it was revealed she is actually not dead and is in side the basement of fairy tail frozen in a crystal and is actually Lumen histoire Actionmanrandell (talk) 13:55, October 27, 2014 (UTC)actionmanrandelActionmanrandell (talk) 13:55, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

Rumors
Mavis Vamil (talk) 03:32, May 28, 2013 (UTC)There is also a lot of rumours about Mavis being Zeref wife.....Mavis Vamil (talk)
 * There are a lot of rumors about a lot of things, but talk pages are not the place for rumors.--

Mavis & Zeref's relationship confirmed as the anime OP
Chapter 340 14-19 confirmed & they used to be lovers. It could be imply that Zeref is one of the Fairy Tail founding member.
 * Pure speculation. All it confirmed was that they knew each other--

Makarov?
The picture from the creation of the guild chapter 342, the one on the far right is young Makarov. Can someone unlock the page and add this?
 * Thats not Makarov. Makarov was not alive when that scene happened--

Fairy Law
I know that this is like beating a dead horse, but I do think you should add Fairy Law to the magic Mavis can use, reason is very simple.

But let me ramble a little bit here. First and foremost, I can't read or understand Japanese so I have to rely on the translation of the all the translator but from all the translation it imply that Mavis was the one that created the 3 Great FairyTail magic (Fairy Law, Fairy Sphere, and Fairy Glitter). If I understood everything, if I am wrong I apologized.

Now back to reason I think Fairy Law should be added even though she hasn't use yet is plan and simple you have Fairy Glitter as a magic she can use. Because of the statement of - you will add Fairy Law when she use it - is very understandable. But, Mavis never use Fairy Glitter in the manga or anime but is listed as one of the magic she can use. The only one Mavis ever used was Fairy Sphere.

Users of the 3 Great Fairy Tail Magic Spell so far:(If I'm Correct) Fairy Law    -  Makarov Dreyar and Laxus Dreyar Fairy Sphere -  Mavis Vermilion Fairy Glitter - Cana Alberona

Mavis never use Fair Glitter, she allow/gave Cana Alberona the ability to temporary use Fairy Glitter. (70.15.148.36 20:58, September 8, 2013 (UTC))
 * Until she uses it, we won't add her to the list of users--

hate to necro a thread but if the argument she created them is not valid reason to use the 3 great spells as her own magic then why does the page allow Fairy Glitter as one of her spells? to date she has never used it or even shown to be able to use it. all that was shown is on her grave (assuming the Lumiere historie rumor is fake) was the power of fairy glitter which Mavis was guarding/preventing from falling into the wrong hands. in alot of ways this follows nirvana in that the magic was embedded onto an inanimate object until he right people could unlock it. so far it has only been speculation and point of view belief Mavis can use fairy glitter/law and if we are making judgement on 1 of the 2 spells the same rule should apply to the other.203.219.85.18 08:24, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

It is not the same. Mavis not only passed on the Magic once, but twice and she said that she was letting Cana borrow her Magic and now it has gone back to Mavis. On the other side, no one has ever stated anything about Mavis having Fairy Law or anything 15:45, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

Tenrou Jade arc and History Sections Merger
Its one of those topics: I suggest, since this took place before the events of the series, that both sections should be merged. --KiumaruHamachi (talk) 03:54, August 2, 2014 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi

It is one of those topics... one we debated over for almost a week straight and voted on quite some time ago, and, as such, have already decided on. If you like novels, see here. 04:03, August 2, 2014 (UTC)

Status ... again
First off, nothing to do with LH. Rather, it's to do with her status in the Guild. Consider the hypothetical situation where we knew that Silver was a corpse long before he was taken out of action. Then his status would be Deceased, but he's be active on the Tartarus page. Mavis has shown herself to be an extremely active entity and even has the FT template for her infobox (now that there is no FT, guess this should become Other). So: Pretty hazy about this myself, but considering what would have been done in the hypothetical Silver situation ... *shrugs*. Won't argue further if opposed. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 17:40, February 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * Proposal: Change her status to Active on Guild page (as she was Active when the Guild was disbanded) and maybe add '(Active using Ethereal abilites)' to her Status on her page.

Throughout the entire Tartarus arc she only turned up once to drop a comment and disappear again. And we have no idea what she has done during the timeskip, or if she did anything. I really don't think active is fitting for her. NoNickNeeded (talk) 18:42, February 4, 2015 (UTC)

Difference with Silver is that Silver was revived with Necromancy while Mavis goes around floating but she hasn't been revived and is still pretty dead. 19:08, February 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * Are we sure Mavis is actually dead? I mean her body is encased in a crystal, but she still looks young, so unless she died of an ilness or something, she might not actually be dead. That could also explain why she is able to wander around as a spirit.KenjiEvans (talk) 20:48, March 30, 2015 (UTC)
 * She has a grave and a ghost. So far as we are concerned, she is dead--
 * She isn't even buried in that grave, it's the Fairy Glitter spell that's sealed there, she is underneath the Guild Hall, encased in crystal, and how do we know that Ghost thing is not more akin to Astral Projection?KenjiEvans (talk) 21:19, March 30, 2015 (UTC)
 * Because she has been called a ghost.--
 * Astral Projection entails the release of the Spirit from the body, and a spirit is literally a ghost, so ofc she'd be called one. I',m not saying that this is true, I'm merely stating the possibility.KenjiEvans (talk) 21:58, March 30, 2015 (UTC)
 * That's speculation--
 * FT0 will probs reveal how she died and how she became the Lumen Histoire in the future. But anyways, she's dead; the fact that she has a grave in Tenroujima. And if she's just an Astral Projection, then everyone, aside from FT should've seen her when she was spectating in the GMG. Astral Projections can be seen by most people. And she's been called a ghost numerous times..

In the narration to Fairy Tail 0 Chapter 7, Zeref admits that she died not too long after he taught them all Magic (calling it his fault that she ultimately passed on, but that's not important). We have various characters saying she is dead, so she is dead. 22:53, March 30, 2015 (UTC)

Fairy Tail
Hey guys, what will we do about Mavis' membership in Fairy Tail? The latest chapter reveals that she is still stuck in the guild's basement and it's not like she can (physically) leave the guild in the first place. Her case might be somewhat similar to Gildarts'... --  The Talk Goblin 11:00, June 8, 2015 (UTC)


 * It's been two weeks and nobody has replied to this topic yet... I'm going to wait a few more days and if there are no objections, I'll change her membership back to the way it was before the guild's disbandment. --  The Talk Goblin 11:00, June 24, 2015 (UTC)

like it was said in the latest chapter, Lumen Histoire is full of mystery and we don't know if she is alive there or not and if thats her real body or not, etc. lots of unknowns. so i think it should just stay the way it is for now. 11:50, June 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * Now that Mavis' ethereal body/ghost/whatever has returned to haunt the fairy grounds, can we put her Fairy Tail character template and membership back? --  The Talk Goblin 13:36, September 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree; it seems she is even going to lead Fairy Tail in their war against the Alvarez Empire. Although she is not the guild master anymore, it's clear that she is still a member of the guild itself.
 * I also agree. Seems logically

This shouldn't even be discussed. As soon as she reappeared she should've had the template back. She only appears to FT members anyway, for crying out loud... 18:49, September 17, 2015 (UTC)

Red Lizard
We should remove the from her page, she was just a servant not a member of the guild. --5.147.98.79 15:31, July 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * It's called affiliation, not membership, so it's fine to be there. Because through that contract she was affiliated with them, even though she wasn't a member.
 * It's similar to Erza having "Tower of Heaven" as previous affiliation, even though she was a slave there and brought there against her will. NoNickNeeded (talk) 16:27, July 4, 2015 (UTC)

Biological Age
Can someone add her biological age to be thirteen as revealed in Fairy Tail Zero, or is biological age not listed in this wiki? Just asking because it's different in some other wikis. Red Typhoon 06:06, July 15, 2015 (UTC)

Magic Power
Can we add extreme amount of magical power in the abilities, since she managed to maintain Fairy Sphere for 7 years?69.118.225.200 18:42, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

She said that she used the magic power of the Tenrou Team to cast the spell. And she also said she needed seven years to dispell it, so she didn't sustain it. NoNickNeeded (talk) 18:52, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

Immortality
In the latest chapter Mavis is stated by Zeref as being immortal, so her status should be changed to alive, right?69.118.225.200 00:46, August 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * Maybe more along the lines of Unknown! Although this does strongly increase the probability that what I said earlier is true, that she is not actually dead but in a "comatose" or "half-dead" state and her "ghost" is really just an Astral Projection. KenjiEvans (talk) 15:00, August 26, 2015 (UTC)

shes been stated dead many times, plus immortal doesnt necassarily mean she cant die, just that she in theory could live forever, as she doesnt have any of the problems that come with ageing, she could still be killed by something, and she was. zeref too is immortal but he can still die thats why he created the etherious and all that. theyre still in theory vulnerrable to things, immortal not invincible 17:48,9/16/2015

It's very clear that Mavis is alive. She is just in a comatose state, as revealed both by her and Precht. There are also several different definitions and kinds of immortality, and this kind is a mixture of traditional immortality and biological immortality, meaning that the characters can neither age nor die. So far, the only way for someone to die, in theory, with the Ankhseram Curse, is to love another human with the Ankhseram Curse, and even that got fucked up somehow. Remember that this is magic and this magic even defies the laws of other kinds of magic. If Zeref could be killed he would have done it already. As he said, even if Mavis' head was removed from her body she would continue to live. She starved herself for a half a year and still lived. Whatever ideas you're trying to apply to the Ankhseram Curse are wrong. 17:54, September 16, 2015 (UTC)

Spirit
The first paragraph says "She died some time prior to the beginning of the series but her spirit still remains on Tenrou Island." -- Isn't the "on Tenrou Island" a bit misleading? It seems like only her grave is there, and her spirit/projection can roam free. - SW 03:27, August 29, 2015 (UTC)

Race
why isnt Mavis listed as Human (or any other race for that matter)? ik shes technically just an ethereal form or spirit or whatever but Zirconis' spirit is still listed as 'Dragon' so that cant be the only reason or am i missing something Hewy (: (talk) 19:59, September 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * Because she is a human. She was born a human, died a human and even though she is some kind of spirit right now, she is still a human--
 * Yeh, that's what he's saying, too. But her page says nothing of sorts 20:04, September 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * Like Misk said, I think he meant why she was not listed as a human on her page. Anyway, Sane fixed it.
 * It helps to see the "nt"in isnt when I clean my computer screen :D--
 * Haha, God. XD

Fixed. Thanks for pointing that out. :) --Sane Lunatic (talk) 20:05, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

About Mavis
I think this page should be splitted into three parts (with a proper infobox): - The Mavis before the contraddictory curse - The Two Mavis resulted as effect of contraddictory curse which have different status, magic, appearance.

The actual Mavis is an illusion like Zera. She can't use Fairy Law, Fairy Glitter and Fairy Sphere but can transfer those magics into Fairy Tail's members. Clipens (talk) 06:18, October 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * That is just ridiculous. Its all the same Mavis. We split articles when there are separate entities. Mavis has always been Mavis. The same Mavis that was in FT0 is the same Mavis we have now.--

The body of Mavis (Fairy Heart/Lumen History) and the actual "first master" ARE two separate entities. The actual Mavis is NOT a person and an ethereal entity. It's like Zirconis and Zirconis (spirit). Mavis, her actual body and her actual "soul" are three different entities with different powers. Clipens (talk) 09:01, October 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * No, they aren't. The ghost mavis is an astral projection of Mavis who is trapped in crystal. It is the actual mavis projecting her consciousness into the world since she cannot use her body. The reason Zirconis has two separate pages are because the timeline split creating two separate Zirconises who lived separate lives. Mavis has never been a separate entity. She has always just been mavis, with the same abilities, always--
 * Like Godisme said. The spectral body we see floating around, interacting with the FT members, is like a Though Projection. It is almost exactly the same as a Thought Projection, or maybe it even IS a Thought Projection. Surely you wouldn't suggest that we make seperate articles for Sieghart, Laxus' thought projection in the FF arc and so on? NoNickNeeded (talk) 09:14, October 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * I can agree with the Though Projection but it should be added to "Magic & Abilities" section and in general in the article.Clipens (talk) 09:47, October 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * The problem with that is that we don't know what it really is. It works a lot like a Thought Projection, but that doesn't mean it necessarily is one. It could be something completely different that only seems to be the same too. So saying it is a Thought Projection would only be speculation at this point. NoNickNeeded (talk) 10:06, October 3, 2015 (UTC)

Guild Mark
Where is Mavis's guild mark? Mimichan803 (talk) 22:24, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

Illusion Magic
Honest question cause I don't know... but since Zera is an illusion made subconsciously from Mavis' mind should we put Illusion Magic every time she appears in the magic, abilities, spells section for FT0? 06:09, January 9, 2016 (UTC)

I'm against it. Mavis is the only one able to see Zera and as you yourself already pointed out it was subconsciously done, which leads me to believe that it was all inside of Mavis mind, rather than an application of magic. I think when Zera called herself an illusion, she didn't mean the product of an illusion spell, but an illusion that Mavis' subconscious created inside her own mind without any magic being involved. NoNickNeeded (talk) 08:10, January 9, 2016 (UTC)

Zera says explicitly in Chapter 12 that Mavis first manifested her Illusion Magic when she died in front of her (just like Erza's telekinesis in ToH) and even that maintaining the illusion takes a toll on Mavis' body. It's only according to Zera though, but still, it's all we have. I would follow the same criteria as with Celestial Spirits that are not summoned on-screen in the chapter but are present anyway. Enpai (talk) 13:49, January 9, 2016 (UTC)
 * how would that criteria work? 13:51, January 9, 2016 (UTC)
 * If the whole toll-on-body thing is as Enpai has stated, then enter it. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 13:55, January 9, 2016 (UTC)