Talk:Zirconis

The past was connected

 * I know this topic should be dead and done, but the pretty recent chapter in which Atlas Flame from the past was exactly the same as the Atlas Flame in modern time; that means that the spirit Atlas Flame was NOT an Alternative Time Line Unlike Future Lucy or Rouge who basically had different past's at this point in time

the past of Atlas Flame was connected which means Zirconis from the past and the spirit are the same, considering how forgetful he seems and loos in the head and how little he values humans, it's more likely that he just forgot about those humans when his spirit was brought back, or maybe that was the limit of Milky Way

He WASN'T an ALTERNATIVE version or anything... again, I know this discussion should be closed, but the info just came out about 2 weeks ago that showed that the past the dragons were from wasn't an alternative timeline.......--Deathmailrock (talk) 07:34, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

No, because we do have 2 Zirconis. Zirconis (Spirit) was the one we met on Chapter 300, but this Zirconis passed through the gate and etc. The difference is that we had met a Zirconis before the Eclipse Gate was opened and so the one that went through time is considered another one. In Atlas Flame's case, we never met any version of him before he went through the Eclipse Gate. I hope I'm explaining this clearly :P 13:30, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

This is actually debatable because he started calling himself Jade Dragon because of Hisui; the Spirit Zirconis introduced himself that way after all. So there is some connection 15:32, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

wait, but how is it different? cause if that's the case then the past Erza when she was a kid should also have her own section, as well as Lucy and Natsu..... they are all from the same timeline..... the spirit Zirconis is the future version of the Zirconis that went through the gate; eventually, the Zirconis that went through the gate became called by Wendy and met with Lucy and the others a 2nd time

The alternative Lucy and Rouge I can understand because they were from an alternative timeline and are counter parts, rather than the exact same being; the same can't be done with the dragon cause his version that went through the timeline was the just the past version, not an alternative, they are the same being....--Deathmailrock (talk) 23:37, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

What? why would them as kids have their own pages? we separated the pages of characters that went through the eclipse gate. that's why the only ones that have other versions are future Lucy, future rogue and zirconis. 02:44, October 12, 2013 (UTC)

The nail in the coffin of the Zirconis spirit we saw being the same Zirconis that past through the gate was Atlas Flame appearing recently. Atlas remembered his time when he went through the gate. The Zirconis spirit however, had no recollection of ever going through the gate nor of Wendy, Natsu and co. Future Rogue changed the timeline by opening the gate. The Zirconis spirit we saw no longer exists in this world as things were changed--

Giving His magic a name
I know that the name of his magic wasn't named in the manga, but can we give it one? I know we shouldn't create any fanon information, but we gave Satan Soul Halphas' Cosmic Beam a name, we gave Jiemma's Blast magic a name. So I'm thinking of giving the stripping magic a name, Stripping Magic. Or if anyone can think of a better name to not confuse with a magic that strips one's magic magic. 07:10, April 6, 2014 (UTC)

He will unleash his magic in the anime soon(ish). Considering how long the magic remained unnamed, I think it can wait until then to see if they'll give us a bit more information. NoNickNeeded (talk) 08:06, April 6, 2014 (UTC)

Well that was just his Dragon Breath's ability to demoralize humans by stripping them naked. I'm not sure if a Dragon's Breath is considered Magic or an ability they have though. 13:53, April 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Just because it came out of his mouth doesn't necessarily mean it was his breath attack. For all we know that could be the way Dragons cast the majority of their magic and the reason why Dragon Slayers can cast magic from their hands or any other part of their bodies could just be the Human influence to their powers.


 * Considering how every other roar was tied to the elemental or materal the Dragon was associated with, it's extremely unlikely that was his Dragon's roar, since there is no element that dissolved clothes. NoNickNeeded (talk) 14:21, April 6, 2014 (UTC)

Likewise it's speculation to think that every dragon has an elemental affinity. They are dragons lol. By themselves, without an element, they are a force to be reckoned with. Motherglare didn't have an element and just released a blast of total death from its mouth that destroyed most of a mountain range. 14:38, April 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Motherglare was very clearly called an Adamantine Dragon. While it isn't one of the classic four elements, it does fall in the same category as Metalicana. NoNickNeeded (talk) 14:44, April 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Motherglare said "Don't underestimate my adamantine body," which is a far cry from calling her the adamantine dragon. And onto another example, Zirconis was christened as The Jade Dragon for his body color, not what he could do. Point being: dragons have the capacity to use magic, but never once was it said that they have to have an element, meaning it is fine as is because there is no evidence to prove otherwise. 15:06, April 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Funny how we end up going back and forth while arguing the same point in regard to the original topic. ^^ NoNickNeeded (talk) 15:21, April 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I noticed that too. XD 15:22, April 6, 2014 (UTC)

Voice actor confirmed
The credits of Episode 193 confirmed that Zirconis is voiced by, the same seiyū as Arcadios. I imagine that he wasn't listed before because the credits only list one role per seiyū, which tends to be their most important role in that episode. Since Arcadios didn't speak in that episode, he was credited as Zirconis. I've already added the voice to his spirit's page, but seeing how this page is locked, I can't do the same here... Immblueversion (talk) 23:51, August 9, 2014 (UTC)

Name of Zirconis' Magic
His Magic is unnamed so I think it would need at least a placeholder name for now. I was thinking to name it Humiliation Magic for now since I found it on the manga site (Chapter 330, Page 21). What do you think, guys? 18:09, October 17, 2014 (UTC)

I disagree. If it's unnamed and has little to no relevance, just leave it unnamed. Placeholder names are unsightly. 18:15, October 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * ^ 18:17, October 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * ^^That--

Zirconis' Personality
Could we add to Zirconis' Personality that he enjoys conversation, which is very unlike most other dragons? The translation in episode 193 quotes him as saying "I don't just demolish and go on a rampage like the others. I'm the type that enjoys a good conversation. Well, I guess, I'm intelligent and possess refined taste, you could say." He even takes the time to talk to the humans and explain why he and the other dragons are attacking just before attempting to eat them all. He's quite the talkative dragon. I think it's worth mentioning. 72.243.55.22 03:51, December 31, 2014 (UTC)