Talk:Jellal Fernandes/Archive 1

Name?
Isn't he more commonly called Gerard or something along those lines than Jeral? Dalyup! 18:15, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I think we should should just vote for that one, they call him Gerard early in the arc, then Jeral for the rest, and changed it back to gerard recently so beats me Umibouzu 22:14, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Jeral seems to be most common. Plus, it sounds coolest =D 69.142.60.234 23:07, 25 May 2009 (UTC) User:Baithin

Hmm Wikipedia saying Gerald though and most this info coming from the English version of the mange by Del Ray (the guys who're publishing FT in the U.S). Retro7 17:58, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, the scantalations nowadays mostly use Gerard in the manga and from what I can see Gerard is much more common among the fandom. Dalyup! 18:19, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I'll say Jeral. This one doesn't really matter though. Drunk Samurai 02:46, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

True, but it's good to be consistent on theses kind of things. Dalyup! 10:23, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Most of our pages say Jeral anyway. It would be a pain to find everything and change it. Gerard has many different variations to the name itself (Gerard, Gerald, Gerard with the accented e), while Jeral stays the same no matter where it is. Keep in mind, the same translators who started to use "Gerard" again also say "Elza" instead of Erza. =P Baithin 19:23, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Here's the thing. The word in Japanese is written as "ジェラール" or "Jeraaru." This is an actual romanization of a real name in Japanese--either written as Gérard or Gerhardt. Keeping in line with the German theme, "Gerhardt" seems to be the most likely candidate. I changed it for now, but if you guys come to a different consensus, change it back. :The one thing for sure is that "Jeral" is undoubtedly wrong. That's like writing Lucy's name as "Ruushii" or Grey as "Gurei."-Mr. Toto 13:38, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Ugh! If we change all these names, they won't even be recognizable anymore. I've never even *heard* of "Gerhardt" before. Baithin 19:57, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Hum, I would say Gérard myself. Where's the evidence of a German theme? I don't really see it myself. Gerhardt is an actual German surname, though - it definitely exists as a name. Dalyup! 20:03, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Jeral is necesserily wrong, Elfmans name is Erefuman but that doesnt mean his is Elfumanu, the u in japanese is apart of there speech cause there a tendency to not end words in consonants, and i dont understand were Gerherdt comes from because it SOUNDS German, it could easily be french, until actual confirmation you cant say the names are one thing of another -Umi :Nothing should be necessarily wrong; if it's wrong it should be changed to be right. Gerhardt is an actual German used surname which, when I looked it up, was told from here, here and this website shows a variant of the name is Gerard which is used widely by scantaltors. Dalyup! 21:00, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

But that doesnt mean it is Gerhardt, jeraaru is pretty far off from that, you shouldnt change a page cause its kinda like it -Umi : Hurm, he said he done it because it goes along with a German theme so if he gives some proof of such a theme than that might be somewhat justifiable. Dalyup! 22:55, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but I've never heard of him as being referred to as Gerhardt before. Why don't we go with the most widely used fan names, so people don't get confused? I vote Jeral or Gerard. - Baithin We have been going by the fan names, but people keep wanting to change them to english because of a note that says there correct, but english manga is contraditory, and i agree with Baithin, i havent seen it being used before either -Umi It would not be Gérard it would be Gerard. I moved it back because consensus says to use more common names. Jeral or Gerard does not matter to me though. Drunk Samurai 08:36, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Fans can't name a character, especially when real names exist. I think we should change the consensus to use more common names, simply because they're wrong. From the perspective of anyone who speaks both Japanese and English, they're wrong. Even according to the creator, they're wrong. "Jeraaru" is Japanese for either "Gérard" or "Gerhardt," with the former being a French name and the latter being German. Both Jeral and Jerar are mistranslations. As for the German theme, I was only basing this on the name "Sieglein," which is also German. I just don't see the rationale for using translations of names done by college students when it's been cited that the creator himself is the one who gave Del Rey their official names. It doesn't make sense. Even if they aren't common, that still doesn't disprove that they're wrong. -Mr. Toto 17:22, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Alright, simple question, does Mashima speak perfect english? -Umi :It doesn't matter if he does or doesn't. There's a difference between making up a name and using an existing one in Japanese. Just by typing in "Jeraaru" in the Japanese Wikipedia, you get the names of real people named "Gérard" and "Gerhardt." The scanlator who first went with "Jeral" didn't know about this. -Mr. Toto 19:29, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Gerard it is! -Umi So why was the name changed to Jellal?--Masgrande 21:26, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Apparently, Jellal is the name given to Del Ray for the english manga. "Jeral" is not even close, so if we're going to use anything other than Gerard, than I think that Jellal is the one it should be. Then again, the english manga calls them "wizards," and regardless of whether or not that is "correct" this wikia has always used "mage." So I kinda think it should stay Gerard. -Whitewind

Whitewind, the term "Wizard" shows up a lot in english text in the manga. Also, Jellal is the name Mashima wanted, so it is the correct one. -Chitalian8

I can't read this anymore with out saying something. Guys, when you translate katakana into romanji, it is going to be vague. His name is neither Gerard nor Jellal...It's ジェラール. This manga was originally written in Japanese, after all. In the Japanese language, there is no such thing as an 'r' sound. Ra, Ri, Ru, Re, and Ro sounds are actually pronounced more like our English 'd' sound, with an almost rolling of the tongue. The result of this is that to the Japanese people, there is absolutely no difference between 'r' and 'l'. In other words, anywhere that ラ　リ　ル　レor ロ appears, it could be written as either 'l' or 'r'. What I'm getting at by all this is that all of the following are entirely "correct" translations of his name: Gerard, Gelald, Gelard, Gerald, Jerard, Jelald, Jerald, Jelard, Jelall, Jerall, Jerar, Jeral, Jelar, and MANY others...are you getting my point now?

This is ENTIRELY a matter of personal preference, just like Erza could just as easily be named Elza. In one of the anime episodes, they even screwed up and showed a sign with her name on it that said "Elsa," which WAS a mistake, because the last symbol in her name is　ザ, not サ. It is not an exact science. If it is that big of a deal to you personally, I suggest you go with one of the more commonly used spellings, aka Gerard, Jeral, or Jellal.--Ispkjapanese

"Elsa" wasn't a mistake. Elsa as a name exist, not like Erza or Elza. It's written with ザ because Elsa is a Spanish name, and the 's' in Spanish sounds more like the 'z' in Japanese. As Lluvia, which is fan-translated as a cacafony for eyes which is Juvia/Jubia.

Seriously, Jellal is the lamest name's translation EVER. His surname is Fernandes, then Gerard or Gerald is a lot better then this sick Jellal. What's Jellal? A jelly name?.....lame....

Well, it's not lame at all. Here is what I found about it: "The boy's name Jellal \j(el)-lal\ is a variant of Jalal (Arabic), and the meaning of Jellal is "greatness, superiority, renown"." But it doesn't change the fact that it doesn't match with his surname which is Portuguese Ishthak 15:41, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

what's the FT's writer tells about his Romanized/Anglicized name? I've seen one Fairy Tail sub (Ryugan) and his name there is Gerard and I became confused at first, then I realized this could be Jellal. But then because of his Japanese name reading Jeraaru and not Jeraado, maybe I could vote for Jellal.Chitetskoy 08:50, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

Altairis?
Just something of note, if we assume that everything that Gerard does is a homage to Sieg Hart, I think Altairis might actually be Altealice, the spell Sieg used on Haru to drive him into a catatonic state. What do you guys think? 114.75.128.205 14:16, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I'd have to check when he uses the attack in FT. But as far as I remember, Natsu didn't have visions of his loved ones killing themselves for him >.< I don't think the attacks are similar. - Baithin Natus wasnt hit with the attack, but i dont think its the same spell, they both did different things, i think it was there because there Space Magic Yeah, but I'm assuming it's just a reference to that spell rather than importing it from Rave. LionsLight 02:47, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree with LionsLight. And, sorry, Simon was hit with the attack, but it killed him instead of mind-torturing him. They're different spells - it's just a reference. - Baithin == Accent on the name == Considering I don't want myself and Drunk Samurai to dissolve into an edit war over the name, let's just discuss it here. For those who don't understand: I'm advocating Gérard whilst he's saying it should be Gerard. I'm doing this because this translation currently uses the accent and has done so since 2008. :By the way, as a side note. Oracion Seis should be Oración Seis, with an accent on the second 'o'. That's how it's spelt in Spanish which the two words are from. Dalyup! 19:48, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree. I don't know how to type out the accent mark, but I think it should be there for both of those names. Baithin 06:01, 26 August 2009 (UTC) I say that both should be spelled as Oracion Seis and Gerard. Gerard is not a Spanish name so there would be no accent. Drunk Samurai 22:13, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Oracion is just wrong. It's not a word in Spanish; if it was to be correctly translated into Spanish it has to have the accent to mean 'prayer'. That's just a scantlator's mistake. Gérard is actually a German name although it can be spelt without an accent. It's just preference, I suppose. Dalyup! 15:46, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Completely forgot about this but I'm going to go ahead and start accentuate the rest of the names. I take it no one has a problem with this (excluding Drunk)? Dalyup! 17:49, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good to me.--Cifer64 18:08, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Fernandes
In the most recent chapter it said his last name is Fernandes. Should I go ahead and change it?--Cifer64 04:39, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

I see no reason why not. Dalyup! 16:04, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

Where did you see this? O.o... Baithin 21:54, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

It's in the newest chapter. It's on mangastreams.com.--Cifer64 22:59, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

Gérard or Jellal?
Hey! If you guys look at this http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Name_Spellings, then the official name must be Gérard not Jellal. But who the hell changed his name into Jellal again?! i agree it should be Gérard. Every translation has it as that too. Im sure it will slowly change back to the original over time. Also i think we should just be going with Edoras instead of Edolas. Even the arc on this site is calling it Edoras so why be annoying and add the l instead? The Del Rey translation with the official word from the author says Jellal ZeroSD 04:00, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

well honestly if i were new to this wikia i would never find gerard/jellal because no other translation uses that at all All this talk about which name is correct is getting no where, I think its Gerard because every chapter til now has used that name. Jellal only appeared in the first few chapters of the Tower of Paradise arc. Also the anime is getting close to the Tower of Paradise arc so which ever name appears in the arc, lets just stick with that. I agree, we should just use the name that the anime uses. Guys. Would you rather use the name Mashima wanted? Or a random translator name? I vote for Jellal -Chitalian8

Well, believe it or not, this character is on my favorites list, and I think he deserves something like Gerard more than Jellal. I mean Gerard is also how his name is written all over the internet, Jellal hardly wields results on google related to fairy tail. Who cares if Jellal isn't as popular as Gerard? Japanese can be translated many different ways, and if the creator of the charcter says the name is supposed to be interperated one way, I think we should interperate it that way. I mean seriously, if you insist on using the fan translation, you can't call yourself a fan. Evnyofdeath 06:31, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Wait..........what? GAH! I got confused! So now Gerard is the official translation!? GAH!!! Why couldn't Hiro have chosen a name that translates easier!? Evnyofdeath 06:32, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, Jellal, is the official translation, Envyofdeath. I don't get why people would rather use an unofficial name instead of an official, confirmed one. -Chitalian8 11:48, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Well honestly this is the only website that usese Jellal and Gerard is just going to continue to be used in every english translation anyways. Mashima obviously annouced the official name WAY too late cause at least 98% of the internet uses Gerard. If i were new to this site look for Gerard i would be lost and when i found it all i would say is WTF... What the rest of the internet uses probably doesn't matter too much to him, and the official translation will filter around. ZeroSD 22:14, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Okay i know it's completely not supposed to be here but I am glad to find out that Gerard is a translation of Jellal because I loaded up episode 34 and thought i'd gone mad as the website i used named the page Gerard. to anyone else this would not be an issue but my name is Gerard and i thought the computer was talking to me or i was going mad. just felt the need to get that off my chest.

Chariot
Just a note, but I romanised part of the spell's name as "Charion" because JP Wikipedia has the furigana as グランシャリオン (Guransharion). Make of it what you will. LionsLight 04:58, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

I see, but from the manga, and the image provided, the Katakana says グランシャリオ, which from searching the internet gave me Le Grand Chariot. ChaosKnight 16:03, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Shade linked to Zeref
Just wondering, but the 'shade' magic Jelal used against Erza has the same pattern has the "ghost of Zeref". It could be worth a note that Jelal's shade magic comes from his corruption by "Zeref" and isn't his real line of magic. Although this is just random ideas, it seems pretty solid. Anthonie 20:17, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

You mean that weird magic he just suddenly gained when he was corrupted, right? I was thinking the same thing when I first saw it, I mean what did he even know about magic before that incident; nothing, right... But suddenly he gains that kinda power after being corrupted. But in the end it should like all forms of magic have a principle he operates it through (I could be mistaken though), so I guess even if he got it from Zeref if he knows how it works and he has the power to use it, it should simply be another form of magic of his that he can always use. But we're jumping too much into big ideas and speculation I guess. This is a wiki after all, not a forum, right? But I guess we could mention in it the trivia section... Like; "Jellal gained his shade magic through Zeref or Zeref's corruption" etc. Awale 20:31, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Shade? Zeref? Shade is Jose's magic that he uses to create those little shadow soldiers, that type of magic is just Dark Magic, as if magic evil people use by controllng the souls of the dead, Jose used it cause he's EVIL, Gerard uses it cause he's EVIL and Zero uses it because he's EVIL. Its used as a special effect to show someones EVIL. Zeref has nothing to do with Gerard either, because Urtear impersonated Zeref and turned him evil. -Umi :That is silly, Umi, and totally beside the point. What we are discussing is how Jellal suddenly gained magical abilities after being corrupted by Urtear. My theory is that Jellal's shade magic stems from his corruption. But like Awale cleverly said, this is a wiki, not a forum. ;) 77.160.189.74 14:54, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

This isnt a forum question, it could influence the article, random stranger. Yes but obviously it was always linked to him, the "corruption" didnt do anything, his severe beating before that awakened his magic, "Zeref" just messed with his mind and got him to use his new power to kill them. You can assume that since Jose, Gerard and Zero use a similar magic(souls and such) and one is considered Evil Magic or Darkness Magic, Shade has nothing to do with this, or Zeref or Urtear's corruption, she influenced his magic about as much as Rob did with Erza, it wasnt him that caused her magic to appear. It as the emotional stress of his death that awakened her dormant magic. -Umi

Relationships
Even though I don't like Ultear, can I add her to one of Jellal's relationship? Since she's one of the characters that has a lot of connections with him. Blissfully Disturbed 13:45, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

His Magic and Abilities?
What happened to all of his Magic and Abilities? Was it summarized? Blissfully Disturbed 13:45, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

That's what I was wondering, just because pages for magic have been made, does not mean the abilities sections can be reduced to so little. Zicoihno (Talk to Me) 03:35, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

The same thing happened before to Erza's page but it was undone. I'll try editing his Magic and Abilities section again... Blissfully Disturbed 07:08, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

His main picture
I'm just asking if it's reasonable to replace his main picture because of newer and more clear pictures taken recently. Blissfully Disturbed 07:07, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

I think a new main picture is good, but I think the one that was put on there was a not necessarily right for a profile picture because he was battle worn in the picture. Here are my suggestions

I think the ones you and Crazy Chalo added would be the most appropriate for a profile picture. --Iam... JakuhoRaikoben 23:54, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Im liking Crazy Chalo's alot. And yeah I think it needs a new main picture as well.Garyness 05:55, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

To be honest, if you ask me... All of them has angles that don't satisfy me. Even if I like the 2nd one, it's Seigrain and not the original Jellal >.< WOAH, is that MY name? I just want to add more selections so here...Blissfully

Disturbed 13:29, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

My vote is for any of the ones you just added (besides the one where he is gazing to the right) because that one looks a bit off. --Iam... JakuhoRaikoben 22:45, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, so I just reorganized his potential profile picture into a gallery because it's getting a bit space unfriendly and it's a bit easier to recognize which is which. Anyways, I like #1 the most as it gives a more full view of Jellal, while rest of them only focus on what's above the chest region. That's my opinion, and if you disagree, feel free to argue why the picture you selected is better. But please, don't turn this into a flame war. Chaos Knight -{E-mail}  23:16, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the organization, and I like numbers 2 and 3, my personal favorite being 3 because its shows his face in a great angle, Number 1 is good because it shows a good amount of Jellal, but it almost completely hides his tatoo which is a main defining trait of his. --Iam... JakuhoRaikoben 23:40, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

im torn between one and three. I know it doesn't matter, but i feel having a picture of the actual Jellal is just better. I like the angle and view of picture one, and i would prefer picture 3, but its quality just seems lower.

Okay, I am down with picking for either 1, 2 or 3. I converted number 3 to a high quality so maybe I'll be with that. I added more though. With those I added, I don't know which to choose... maybe number 8. Number 9 could've been great though I don't know how to magnify it without pixel-izing it >.< Blissfully Disturbed 10:00, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, not to be offensive everyone, but if we continue to say what we like and list multipe numbers and don't give a definite vote we'll never get anywhere so everyone please cast your vote for one picture so we can change it. My vote is for 3, and ChaosKnight's vote is for 1. The commenter before BlissfullyDisturbed commented that he liked one and three but he voted for 3. Since Blissfully Disturbed started the discussion(and added most of the pictures) we should wait for her vote. The tally so far is one for picture one and two for picture three. --<font color="Gold">Iam... <font color="Gold">JakuhoRaikoben 02:30, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

I will vote for number 8 since actually, it's Ishthak's uploaded picture I saw. It's a different version of number 3 and is larger with a higher quality, that is, if you ask me. <font color="#3300CC" face="Tempus Sans ITC" style="background:pink">Blissfully Disturbed 07:15, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Okay so the tally now is Pic 1= 1 Pic 3= 2 Pic 8= 1 Picture 3 is the current winner, so I will go change it to pic 3 for the time being, and if anyone else comes along to vote then I we will change it accordingly. <font color="Gold">Iam... <font color="Gold">JakuhoRaikoben 03:43, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

I vote for picture 1. It shows more detail of Jellal. Since there are 2 votes for Pic 3 and 2 votes for Pic 1, it's a tie. But I still prefer his old picture. BlackDiamondX777 05:08, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

My vote is for picture 1 too because it shows the most from Jellal. LeoWyatt 08:39, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Okay so the winner is picture number 1. We should probably close the talk or further discuss this to Wiki users. I don't want any complaints or protests about this main picture change. <font color="#3300CC" face="Tempus Sans ITC" style="background:pink">Blissfully Disturbed 21:34, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Pictures
Anyone else feel this page has way too many pictures, mainly the Oracion Seis section. It even loads slower on my computer now.Garyness 20:22, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

I think the Oracion Seis Arc should have maybe 2 or 3 pics removed. <font color="Gold">Iam... <font color="Gold">JakuhoRaikoben 20:30, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Profile picture
Please leave your opinion here --<font face="Times New Roman" color="dark red" size="3px">Ishthak <font face="Times New Roman" color="black" size="2px"> says  19:27, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Quote
I think Jellal's quote is way too long.. I think we need a concise quote that's meaningful, but not too long... Maybe this?

(To himself about Erza Scarlet) "It's your words that gave me courage. It became my light that would guide me towards the right path again."

As nominator. 15:41, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I already thought of the current quote being too long, the proposed one sounds better =] Miskos3 16:54, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

I like the current one but this one is also good so I'm neutral about this. 19:25, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

it's shorter and tells about his current status. 19:55, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry guys, but I prefer longer quotes rather than short and sweet ones.

Current quote is a little too long. 09:49, December 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * So... 4 support, 1 neutral, 1 oppose. Guess we'll be going with it... 12:49, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Post-Timeskip Profile Picture
So, with the release of the new chapter, a post-time skip profile picture has been added. Now, I thought of simply rotating it so it meets the standards of profile picture. Like this: Clicky. I used the current image, rotated it in PS and uploaded on an image hosting site rather than Wiki itself for now. Imo it looks better. If you guys agree with using it, it shall be uploaded here along with everything that the Image Policy requires. Also, I do realize that it will eventually get replaced by non-mangastream version, but for now it should work imo. Thoughts? Miskos3 16:51, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Age
If his birth year is known and we know the series takes place in the year X791, why isn't his age listed as 19 (debut), 26 (X791)? --KiumaruHamachi 14:37, December 11, 2011 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi

✅ 14:41, December 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you. --KiumaruHamachi 15:04, December 11, 2011 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi

Trivia
I just thought that having, his appearance being based off of Sieghart from Rave Master, would be an interesting fact to add. --<font color="#000000" face="HenryMorganHand">Kindle (<font color="#E41B17" face="HenryMorganHand">'ComeAtMeBro ) " 20:18, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

We don't put that kind of trivia 20:55, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Waaaaaaargh! Who removed it? T-TMangaFangirl 14:22, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

magic staves
we must copy the power of mystogran in the page of jellal?? because he use the same spell of mystogran --Nitram86 12:40, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

it won't be copied, but yes, some of his spells will be put on this page now that he can use them. 12:44, March 09, 2012 (UTC)

add can you control?? --Nitram86 12:51, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

copying mystogran spells
i think we must add in the intelligence the ability of copy the spell of mystogan what do you think?? --Nitram86 17:26, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, we don't really know how he came about Mystogan's spells and staves so to attribute it to intelligence would be speculative.

Inspiration
Its no coincidence. Jellal was either inspired from Sieg Hart or I dont know... It's not confirmed, but even the clothes are similar.

Sorry mate, I removed your picture because it violated Policies :P

The obvious similarities between Jellal and Sieg Hart have already been noted here. Check them if you wish ;)

For anyone wanting to see a picture of Sieg, here's one.

-- 17:00, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Air, Water and Earth Magic?
Shouldn't it be mentioned in his Magic and Abilities section that he can use Air, Water and Earth Magic, too? He never displayed their use, but since he can cast Abyss Break, a spell that requires the combination of all four elements, he should be able to use all four elements separately. TheGrudge 15:09, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Erza Knows
I haven't gotten up to this part in the anime yet, but can someone add that Erza knew Jellal was lying in the manga and possibly confirm this for the anime?