Talk:Ivan Dreyar/Archive 1

Striking resemblence!
I would like to put the following material in the trivia/background-information:

There is an (in Russia) very famous historical figure, the Zar (Russian king title) Ivan IV (known as Ivan the Terrible). Look also here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_IV_of_Russia. He is famous for being sadistic, cruel, maybe even crazy. He had lost three of his wifes, others he has killed with his own hand. Being a russian, i have investigated, and...

Now the references to Ivan Dreyar:

- He killed his own son. In Fairy Tail he plans to do a thing that would kill Laxus.

- The name, of course.

- The appearance. Look at his portrait! The black beard is a stereotypical sign of Ivan in Russia.

- An other name of Ivan the Terrible is Ivan Black Raven.

- Makarov was planned to be Russian.

- The character of course.

Not enough?


 * I'm from Poland, so I also heard about him. If you edit and also shorten it, it could be placed in the Trivia, that's my opinion.Ishthak 15:30, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm far away from Indonesia, but I heard Ivan the Terrible left his throne without a fit successor. Correct me if I'm wrong. Fairy Tail's guildmasters are succeeded by blood and Makarov is having problems deciding his successor. I'm saying this just to strengthen trivias. 118.137.78.213 12:47, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Unless its specificaly stated that those two are meant to be similar, its just speculation. -Umi
 * I'm far away from Indonesia, but I heard Ivan the Terrible left his throne without a fit successor. Correct me if I'm wrong. Fairy Tail's guildmasters are succeeded by blood and Makarov is having problems deciding his successor. I'm saying this just to strengthen trivias. 118.137.78.213 12:47, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Unless its specificaly stated that those two are meant to be similar, its just speculation. -Umi
 * Unless its specificaly stated that those two are meant to be similar, its just speculation. -Umi

Recent Appearences
So does this Ivan character have any other appearences in the anime?

He is bound to have one soon since he is a main antagonist, but talk pages are for having discussions on changes to articles this is better suited for a forum or a blog.  Iam... JakuhoRaikoben  22:01, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

Ivan's name
Why was his name suddenly changed to "Iwan"? It's clear that it should be "Ivan" since it's Russian, and he is Makarov's son, Makarov having a Russian name too. 80.167.149.18 13:00, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Because that's the official name given by Mashima from Fairy Tail Volume 14 13:12, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Don't you mean that's the official name given by Kodansha? SeaTerror 18:54, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Mashima apparently gives the official translations of each characters names to Kodansha.

I really doubt that. I have yet to see any evidence for it. As far as I know he has only romanized two names which are Gajeel and Juvia. SeaTerror 03:04, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

This notice is apparently put at the end of every english volume by Del Rey (previously) and now Kodansha.

However, a source has said that Iwan has switched to Ivan in volume 16. It could be a mistake by the translator, but we'll see. 03:09, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

I meant real proof. I would never accept anything unless Mashima romanized it himself. SeaTerror 10:40, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I thought this would straighten itself out in short order after volume 16 came out, but apparently I was wrong.

His official name is Ivan, Iwan is a mistake.

Here are the officially released material where his name shows up, Volumes 14, 16, and the anime set volume 4:

http://i.imgur.com/9Bn9V.jpg

Here is where his name first shows up in volume 14, this is where "Iwan" comes from:

http://i.imgur.com/70ElS.jpg

Here is Ivan's proper introduction in volume 16, as well as Gajeel mentioning the name to Makarov, as you can see it's been corrected to Ivan at this point:

http://i.imgur.com/fAgxz.jpg http://i.imgur.com/1FkJ7.jpg

The anime never got it wrong, both Crunchy Roll, and Funimation had it as Ivan in both episodes 45 and 48:

Rip's of Crunchy Roll's translation: http://i.imgur.com/rFpmp.jpg http://i.imgur.com/RPVPw.jpg

Funimation's translation: http://i.imgur.com/JLnU9.jpg http://i.imgur.com/mhcFg.jpg

So yeah, 6 out of 7 official translations of his name have it as Ivan, so can we please fix this? --ChronoDeus 04:11, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

We don't use anime sources, but your volume sources seem undeniable imo. I'll get some other community members to state their opinion and then we can make the switch. Thanks for this help. 16:40,7/26/2012

Voting
Okay, so, read the conversation above to get info on this voting. Support if you think the name should be Ivan and Oppose if you think it should Iwan.

Iwan makes no sense and it's been changed back to Ivan in later volumes. Plus, Mashima went for a Russian theme when naming Makarov and if he went for the same thing when naming Makarov's son, then Ivan makes sense, while Iwan is nonsense. 16:48,7/26/2012

I never liked Iwan anyways. If it's Ivan now, I think we should go with that.

16:57, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, if we went by Russian pronunciation, then "Iwan" would be pronounced "Ivan". But I like Ivan better 18:18, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

''Gomu Gomu no... JETTO GATORINGU!!!''

-- 18:21, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

Ivan 18:40, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

My volumes also have the same correction. It starts with Iwan and then it's changed to Ivan, which seems the correct. 19:15,7/26/2012

00:10, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

My volumes have the same correction, like Abe10:42, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

Meh, both names are fine, except Ivan is easier to pronounce (in my god-awful British accent) so let's go with that one... 09:46, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

All of his names are complicated Sometimes Iwan, Iwas, Ivan 10:14,7/27/2012

I think Ivan fits best... 18:50, July 27, 2012 (UTC)