Talk:Jellal Fernandes

Name?
Isn't he more commonly called Gerard or something along those lines than Jeral? Dalyup! 18:15, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I think we should should just vote for that one, they call him Gerard early in the arc, then Jeral for the rest, and changed it back to gerard recently so beats me Umibouzu 22:14, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Jeral seems to be most common. Plus, it sounds coolest =D 69.142.60.234 23:07, 25 May 2009 (UTC) User:Baithin

Hmm Wikipedia saying Gerald though and most this info coming from the English version of the mange by Del Ray (the guys who're publishing FT in the U.S). Retro7 17:58, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, the scantalations nowadays mostly use Gerard in the manga and from what I can see Gerard is much more common among the fandom. Dalyup! 18:19, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I'll say Jeral. This one doesn't really matter though. Drunk Samurai 02:46, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

True, but it's good to be consistent on theses kind of things. Dalyup! 10:23, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Most of our pages say Jeral anyway. It would be a pain to find everything and change it. Gerard has many different variations to the name itself (Gerard, Gerald, Gerard with the accented e), while Jeral stays the same no matter where it is. Keep in mind, the same translators who started to use "Gerard" again also say "Elza" instead of Erza. =P Baithin 19:23, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Here's the thing. The word in Japanese is written as "ジェラール" or "Jeraaru." This is an actual romanization of a real name in Japanese--either written as Gérard or Gerhardt. Keeping in line with the German theme, "Gerhardt" seems to be the most likely candidate. I changed it for now, but if you guys come to a different consensus, change it back.


 * The one thing for sure is that "Jeral" is undoubtedly wrong. That's like writing Lucy's name as "Ruushii" or Grey as "Gurei."-Mr. Toto 13:38, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Ugh! If we change all these names, they won't even be recognizable anymore. I've never even *heard* of "Gerhardt" before. Baithin 19:57, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Hum, I would say Gérard myself. Where's the evidence of a German theme? I don't really see it myself. Gerhardt is an actual German surname, though - it definitely exists as a name. Dalyup! 20:03, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Jeral is necesserily wrong, Elfmans name is Erefuman but that doesnt mean his is Elfumanu, the u in japanese is apart of there speech cause there a tendency to not end words in consonants, and i dont understand were Gerherdt comes from because it SOUNDS German, it could easily be french, until actual confirmation you cant say the names are one thing of another -Umi


 * Nothing should be necessarily wrong; if it's wrong it should be changed to be right. Gerhardt is an actual German used surname which, when I looked it up, was told from here, here and this website shows a variant of the name is Gerard which is used widely by scantaltors. Dalyup! 21:00, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

But that doesnt mean it is Gerhardt, jeraaru is pretty far off from that, you shouldnt change a page cause its kinda like it -Umi

Hurm, he said he done it because it goes along with a German theme so if he gives some proof of such a theme than that might be somewhat justifiable. Dalyup! 22:55, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but I've never heard of him as being referred to as Gerhardt before. Why don't we go with the most widely used fan names, so people don't get confused? I vote Jeral or Gerard. - Baithin

We have been going by the fan names, but people keep wanting to change them to english because of a note that says there correct, but english manga is contraditory, and i agree with Baithin, i havent seen it being used before either -Umi

It would not be Gérard it would be Gerard. I moved it back because consensus says to use more common names. Jeral or Gerard does not matter to me though. Drunk Samurai 08:36, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Fans can't name a character, especially when real names exist. I think we should change the consensus to use more common names, simply because they're wrong. From the perspective of anyone who speaks both Japanese and English, they're wrong. Even according to the creator, they're wrong. "Jeraaru" is Japanese for either "Gérard" or "Gerhardt," with the former being a French name and the latter being German. Both Jeral and Jerar are mistranslations. As for the German theme, I was only basing this on the name "Sieglein," which is also German. I just don't see the rationale for using translations of names done by college students when it's been cited that the creator himself is the one who gave Del Rey their official names. It doesn't make sense. Even if they aren't common, that still doesn't disprove that they're wrong. -Mr. Toto 17:22, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Alright, simple question, does Mashima speak perfect english? -Umi
 * It doesn't matter if he does or doesn't. There's a difference between making up a name and using an existing one in Japanese. Just by typing in "Jeraaru" in the Japanese Wikipedia, you get the names of real people named "Gérard" and "Gerhardt." The scanlator who first went with "Jeral" didn't know about this. -Mr. Toto 19:29, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Gerard it is! -Umi

So why was the name changed to Jellal?--Masgrande 21:26, March 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Apparently, Jellal is the name given to Del Ray for the english manga. "Jeral" is not even close, so if we're going to use anything other than Gerard, than I think that Jellal is the one it should be. Then again, the english manga calls them "wizards," and regardless of whether or not that is "correct" this wikia has always used "mage." So I kinda think it should stay Gerard. -Whitewind

Ok...I can't read this anymore with out saying something. Guys, when you translate katakana into romanji, it is going to be vague. His name is neither Gerard nor Jellal...It's ジェラール. This manga was originally written in Japanese, after all. In the Japanese language, there is no such thing as an 'r' sound. Ra, Ri, Ru, Re, and Ro sounds are actually pronounced more like our English 'd' sound, with an almost rolling of the tongue. The result of this is that to the Japanese people, there is absolutely no difference between 'r' and 'l'. In other words, anywhere that ラ　リ　ル　レor ロ appears, it could be written as either 'l' or 'r'. What I'm getting at by all this is that all of the following are entirely "correct" translations of his name: Gerard, Gelald, Gelard, Gerald, Jerard, Jelald, Jerald, Jelard, Jelall, Jerall, Jerar, Jeral, Jelar, and MANY others...are you getting my point now? This is ENTIRELY a matter of personal preference, just like Erza could just as easily be named Elza. In one of the anime episodes, they even screwed up and showed a sign with her name on it that said "Elsa," which WAS a mistake, because the last symbol in her name is　ザ, not サ. It is not an exact science. If it is that big of a deal to you personally, I suggest you go with one of the more commonly used spellings, aka Gerard, Jeral, or Jellal.--Ispkjapanese

Altairis?
Just something of note, if we assume that everything that Gerard does is a homage to Sieg Hart, I think Altairis might actually be Altealice, the spell Sieg used on Haru to drive him into a catatonic state. What do you guys think? 114.75.128.205 14:16, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I'd have to check when he uses the attack in FT. But as far as I remember, Natsu didn't have visions of his loved ones killing themselves for him >.< I don't think the attacks are similar. - Baithin

Natus wasnt hit with the attack, but i dont think its the same spell, they both did different things, i think it was there because there Space Magic

Yeah, but I'm assuming it's just a reference to that spell rather than importing it from Rave. LionsLight 02:47, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree with LionsLight. And, sorry, Simon was hit with the attack, but it killed him instead of mind-torturing him. They're different spells - it's just a reference. - Baithin

Accent on the name
Considering I don't want myself and Drunk Samurai to dissolve into an edit war over the name, let's just discuss it here. For those who don't understand: I'm advocating Gérard whilst he's saying it should be Gerard. I'm doing this because this translation currently uses the accent and has done so since 2008.
 * By the way, as a side note. Oracion Seis should be Oración Seis, with an accent on the second 'o'. That's how it's spelt in Spanish which the two words are from. Dalyup! 19:48, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree. I don't know how to type out the accent mark, but I think it should be there for both of those names. Baithin 06:01, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

I say that both should be spelled as Oracion Seis and Gerard. Gerard is not a Spanish name so there would be no accent. Drunk Samurai 22:13, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Oracion is just wrong. It's not a word in Spanish; if it was to be correctly translated into Spanish it has to have the accent to mean 'prayer'. That's just a scantlator's mistake. Gérard is actually a German name although it can be spelt without an accent. It's just preference, I suppose. Dalyup! 15:46, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Completely forgot about this but I'm going to go ahead and start accentuate the rest of the names. I take it no one has a problem with this (excluding Drunk)? Dalyup! 17:49, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good to me.--Cifer64 18:08, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Fernandes
In the most recent chapter it said his last name is Fernandes. Should I go ahead and change it?--Cifer64 04:39, December 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * I see no reason why not. Dalyup! 16:04, December 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * Where did you see this? O.o... Baithin 21:54, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

It's in the newest chapter. It's on mangastreams.com.--Cifer64 22:59, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

Gérard or Jellal?
Hey! If you guys look at this http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Name_Spellings, then the official name must be Gérard not Jellal. But who the hell changed his name into Jellal again?!

i agree it should be Gérard. Every translation has it as that too. Im sure it will slowly change back to the original over time. Also i think we should just be going with Edoras instead of Edolas. Even the arc on this site is calling it Edoras so why be annoying and add the l instead?

The Del Rey translation with the official word from the author says Jellal ZeroSD 04:00, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

well honestly if i were new to this wikia i would never find gerard/jellal because no other translation uses that at all

All this talk about which name is correct is getting no where, I think its Gerard because every chapter til now has used that name. Jellal only appeared in the first few chapters of the Tower of Paradise arc. Also the anime is getting close to the Tower of Paradise arc so which ever name appears in the arc, lets just stick with that.