Fairy Tail Wiki talk:Name Spellings/Archive 1

Names
Well now hold on a sec. Mashima-sensei has made numerous trips to the US through Del Ray, and the volumes state that those were the official spellings chosen by him. Shouldn't the Wiki go with those rather than what's most common in the fandom? Even though they're more common, they're wrong. I honestly can't say that KEFI scans or Franky House know more than the actual creator of the series on how to name his characters. Remember that scanlators go with whatever they believe to be correct--they're romanizations based on the idea of some random person. -Mr. Toto 13:48, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree with you, I have a volume that says too, but we reached a consensus before about it. But consensuses can easily change. Dalyup! 15:42, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Well he names of characters can be said in many different ways, until someone can get evidence that he says Laxus or Mystogan we usually keep them this way -Umi

They are used in the Del Ray serialisation of the manga which can be taken to be true due to a message in the volumes that can be seen here. I can't take a physical photo because I don't have a camera to do so. Dalyup! 20:54, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Aside from that, I don't know if you guys realize that most scanlations are done by college students. The translator for KEFI, Ocean, just went with whatever he thought sounded good. This is cited information--you can't just decide what's in the English version is wrong because you think it is. It's what the creator went with himself.-Mr. Toto 17:29, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Says who? How do you know they are not like Viz who makes up crap? Drunk Samurai 18:37, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * My money's on the people who are a legitimate business and have actual contact with both the author and the company that publish the series--not some college kid doing this for fun. They also have translation notes at the end of every book. Their translation is so faithful that they preserve honorifics. -Mr. Toto 19:41, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

The english manga isnt wrong necessarily, but its contradictory still, EX: The call Gray's magic Ice Magic, despite the fact the kanji of his magic (Hyojin) has nothing to do with magic, as it says "Ice" and the translations that makes the most sense would be "form or formation" Japanese and English cant be compared, Japan uses words that wont make sense in english, which is why translators put in what fits the best, as does Del Ray, just because they have an editor note doesnt mean that there the only possible translation -Umi
 * You might want to look again at that. Gray's magic is written as "氷の造形魔法" in Japanese, or literally "Ice Molding Magic." The last two Kanji are specifically the words for magic in Japanese, "mahou." What you're talking about is Gray's attack "Hyoujin Nanarenbu." That means "Seven Dancing Swords," and Gray never even uses that attack until chapter 89. Del Rey hasn't even gotten there yet. They've left literally all of his attack names the exact same thus far. -Mr. Toto 19:41, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps they did get the magic names and such wrong, but they did say in the editor's note that it was spellings of characters. Not magic or attack names or whatever. And, Drunk, how are we supposed to prove a negative? Why would Del Ray lie when Mashima's agent or publishers or whatever would slap a lawsuit on their ass by saying Mashima did something he didn't? At least show some evidence of Del Ray simply making it up. Dalyup! 19:37, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

They wouldn't sue them for something like that. I'm just saying you shouldn't believe EVERYTHING a company says. Drunk Samurai 02:01, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That's just paranoia. Del Rey is a legitimate business. Any time they don't know how to translate something, like Nikora, they put it in the liner notes. There's even rationale for translating "madoushi" into "wizard." They were responsible for bringing the creator to the US last year--I'm sure he could have talked to them then. It's not like there's some huge conspiracy going on here--Mashima gave them the official names. -Mr. Toto 02:35, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Alright i submit, neither you or drunk samurai or willing to give this up, so have fun with trolls -Umi

Locked
Why is this locked? 02:31, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Tsk, tsk, I'd think a former Admin would know to read the lock summary.

There's such a thing as a lock summary? XD 02:39, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

XD, smh, Bojangles, smh.

Wrong Characters
I just noticed this page has characters that should not be on the list. Let's use "Arania Web" as an example.

"Arania Web is a Mage of the Mermaid Heel Guild and a member of its team competing in the Grand Magic Games. The key part is Grand Magic Games. Since there is no way the English manga would be that far there is no way that this character has an "official" name. There are others on the page like that too. SeaTerror 07:56, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

This page contains how we call characters here in this wiki, if the English manga has been released, then we call that character the way Mashima wanted to, but if its a character that hasn't appeared in the English manga yet, then we use translation give to us by. It says so on the page 12:45, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

It says "official" name. Scanlations/original translations are not official names. SeaTerror 15:52, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

That's why the page says "If certain names have not yet been released, then names provided by ChaosKnight are used." Discussion closed. 19:48, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Because obviously ChaosKnight is an official source who is Mashima or works for Kodansha. Do all the admins ignore common sense here? SeaTerror 20:56, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Firstly, watch the attitude. I don't know how things work on the op wikia but if we're discussing something, we'll do so civilly. Actually, I take that back, the op wikia obviously doesn't like your attitude either since they opened up a forum about blocking you. While I do agree with your opinion about the name spellings and which names belong on the page, I don't agree with your attitude. If we have one more problem out of you, you'll be blocked. 21:31,6/9/2012

You should check the votes then for that forum if you want to try claiming something that isn't true. The issue is calling what is provided by ChaosKnight an "official name" when there are only two official sources. Those two sources are Mashima and English companies. The other issue that was only here was closing a discussion of something that wasn't over. SeaTerror 21:52, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

I'm claiming something that isn't true? So they didn't open up a forum? Yeah, thought so. No one ever said Chaos was official, we said we use him until we get official. The other situation was rectified. All I'm saying is our site is very friendly, have you never wondered why you haven't been on the receiving end of this kindness? I can guarantee it has nothing to do with us... 22:00,6/9/2012

You didn't check the votes which means what you said about them wanting to ban me isn't true. Not to mention that was over a year ago. It also says it on the page it self. It says "official name" on characters who don't have an official name. SeaTerror 22:02, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

I said they opened a forum about banning you, nothing more, nothing less. Also, didn't I say that I AGREED with what you wanted to change on this page so what's your point? 22:09,6/9/2012

Calm down, you guys. It seems that the problem is on the term "official name" on the template, so let's not deviate too much from that. So what you are really arguing is that you want those that don't have an official name to be termed correctly, right? 23:50, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Yes. They shouldn't say official name on them. SeaTerror 20:05, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

What would you like to put instead then?

It wouldn't work on that template anyway. You would have to create a new one. Put "Original/Wikia Spelling" or "ChaosKnight/ChaosKnight Spelling". SeaTerror 16:30, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

We wouldn't have to create a new template, we could just alter the current one. But I don't think we should do that. I think we should just remove the characters who don't have official names until they get official ones. 16:59,6/11/2012
 * But we need to have official names to be used in the Wiki. Otherwise, we would have inconsistency in the articles. 17:03,6/11/2012


 * What are you talking about? We'd still have official wiki names we just wouldn't list them here on this page until we got the official series name. Let's not kid ourselves, this page is far from popular and not listing a name here is not going to create mayhem on the wiki. 17:08,6/11/2012
 * Ah, I got it now. Though we would just say "Since these names weren't given yet by Mashima, we can use anyone". 17:16,6/11/2012


 * I think it should just be altered to 'official names used on this wiki' and we won't have to delete anything. 17:17, June 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * Can we just delete this page and get it over with XD


 * Shut up Opossum-san!! And let's just use Sea Terror's "Wiki Spelling" idea. It's simplest. 17:25,6/11/2012


 * Misutā Surī.


 * -- 17:27, June 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * That means creating a modified version of the current template? 17:29,6/11/2012

Well DUH!

Thanks for those words of wisdom DaRinor... And no, we'll just add a switch function to the current template. 17:33,6/11/2012

Couldn't we just add a note saying that the term 'Official' in this context means 'for the wiki' and not 'for the world' (paraphrasing here)? 17:34, June 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yep, that's what I meant to say above :P 17:44, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

No, because a good many names on this page are official not just wiki official. 18:02,6/11/2012

Removing the characters that don't have official names is the best idea. SeaTerror 20:00, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

I support just changing to "Name used in Wiki" or something similar 20:54, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

XD, we're going around in circles you guys. Let's just do a simple vote. Everyone use the Support template and write the name of what you support after it. The two choices are removing characters w/o official names or altering the template to say "Wiki Name" or something similar for characters without official names. 21:01,6/11/2012

Wiki Name 21:11, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Wiki Name. 21:23, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Humour me because I don't fully understand. So using Arania, her name might be spelt differently when the English manga (is that like VIZ to Naruto o.O) is published? -- 21:35, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. Remember us using Gradine before and the official English volume revealed it to be Grandeeney? We had to change everything to Grandeeney even though Grandine is the most popular name used.

Remove characters with unofficial names.


 * Oh. I don't really get what's the issue though. Yes the mangaka will be providing names for his characters in english but isn't translating it the next best thing? From what I gather you have a decent and trusted translator, it's not as if you're giving the readers information that incorrect entirely but can be seen as filler information in the meanwhile. We had a similar issue with Might Guy on Narutopedia who was called Maito Gai and even the Bleach wikia is riddled with this. Asking a wiki to move at the speed of the english version is kinda unfair because of the lag time that will be created with information available through translations and the english one. Any way, if you guys are for the removal(?) and what not Narutopedia has something that allows us to articles as "unnamed" leaving the titles in italics to denote the fact that the person is "unnamed" you could re-engineer than and use on your wiki instead of creating new templates, whichever is less hassle.


 * XD, we aren't changing names that are unofficial throughout the site, we are just going to change how they are placed on this page. Character articles or any other articles won't be affected by the change we are discussing. 23:02,6/11/2012

- Remove characters with unofficial names. I could go for either one though as long as the word official is gone. SeaTerror 23:16, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

I think he still meant this article and not the wikia itself. No wikia moves at the pace of the official English versions. The One Piece wikia uses a combination of official spellings and scanlations/fansubs when the names are revealed. It wouldn't be possible to get anything done if a wikia waited for an official English version. SeaTerror 23:22, June 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, I see what he means now. @Cerez if we were to choose to go the template route, we wouldn't be creating a new template. We would just be adding in a simple text switch function. Thanks for the suggestion though. 23:49,6/11/2012

Wiki Name. 04:10,6/19/2012

Two More Names
I found that some places, like Wikipedia, list Chico=C=Hammitt as Chico C. Hammit, and also Krov as Kulov. So shall we add these two to this page as well? Marco the Marine Admiral 03:54, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

Yes. If I'm correct, I believe that Krov and Chico=C=Hammitt are the official names of those two characters.

So could anybody add these two to the page? It's obvious that I don't have the ability to do it.. Marco the Marine Admiral 08:02, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

Lol. I was waiting for you to do them. I'll add them in a moment.

Thanks much. I've just joined wiki for a couple of days, so it may take some time for me to get familiar with it. Marco the Marine Admiral 08:10, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

Anime Names
So the episodes 158 and 159 provided romanized versions of some names. Since we consider the anime an unofficial source (or at least most of the time we do), let's vote for them. (like we did here and here). But first a detailed look on them.


 * Names whose the current is a name provided by Chaos, so it's not official and can be changed:
 * Yaeger to Yeager.
 * Nullpuding to Nalpudding.
 * Rufus Lohr to Rufus Lore.
 * Mermaid Heel to Marmeid Heel.
 * Sabertooth to Saber Tooth.


 * Names whose the current can't be changed, as it's a name provided by the english manga with this note. (we won't vote these ones, I'm just putting them here because they were given)
 * Eve Tearm and Eve Tilm.
 * Quatro Cerberus and Quattro Kerberos.
 * Raven Tail and Raven's Tail.

I 1, 2, 3, and 5. 4 is just stupid. 04:12,12/1/2012

Rufus Lore since the word Lore seems connected to his bard outfit. Marmeid Heel and Sabertooth. The first one for being stupid and the latter because Sabertooth looks cooler imo. about the rest since I don't really care about them... 04:23, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Rufus Lore and Nalpudding. The rest. And to be honest,I thought that's how you would write "Tilm" in Katakana. Tearm sounds like it would be like Ti-a-mu or something. Oh well 04:32,12/1/2012

to all. It will just create unnecessary work. Also, all of those names are going to have to go through our translator to even be considered. 04:38, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Yaeger to Yeager; Nullpuding to Nalpudding; Rufus Lohr to Rufus Lore. Not sure about the the rest. :/ 07:25, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Each and everyone. #1 is completely pointless. We'd have to go through numerous pages just to switch around two letters? I think not. #2 has already been discussed to hell. I don't want to have to discuss it again. Especially not off of anime bull crap. #3 is pointless. #4 is absolutely ridiculous. Marmeid is a made up word that looks retarded, Mermaid is an actual word that actually matches the guild. #5 is stupid. Why would we split up the guild name when it has NEVER been translated as a split name? Also, since when do we ever use the anime as the source for our names? All of these names have been given in the manga and we've had Chaos translate them. A translator we actually know and trust. I don't want random translations from the anime being used on our site. Also, as Reli said, not only will this create unnecessary work, but most of those changes are just...retarded. And no matter what the result of this discussion is, all of these names will have to be put through our translator to make sure they even make sense. 07:43,12/1/2012

Well, thanks for the edit conflict Jak... and you pretty much said everything I was saying, so... looks like I'll just agree with you and Lel >___> 07:49, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Rai said it all. :/ 07:54, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Chaos does not even get why people are referring to the Anime groups for the names... 08:10, December 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * It wasn't the subtitles, but the anime itself had written their names like that. 08:51, December 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sadly, majority of the anime group, Fairy Tail included, rarely do an actual spell check... Half the time they just go with what they remember and/or the romaji... 09:21, December 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * I see, that explains it, lol.. 09:23, December 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Not to be rude or anything, but how do you think that those spellings that we're currently using are correct that you translated?? My apologies if you find this comment extremely rude... just asking a question... 10:00,12/1/2012

Marmeid? What's that? Mermaid is at least an actual word. I don't really like any of them :/ 08:51, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Some names are misspelled, and Eve's name Tilm could have been good. 08:55, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Rai beat me to it on the Mermaid Heel thing. But yeah, I oppose them all. The anime isn't a good source for this stuff, I still remember how they romanized Erza as "Elsa" (or something to that effect) a while ago. 09:59, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

( ._.) Yeah, what Rai said. Those animators make mistakes very often :/ so why use them as a reliable source? ( ._.) 12:01, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Well, as these were names we had a history of dicussion, I thought the anime could provide a final solution, as the animators are japanese (or at least I think they are...) 13:30,12/1/2012