Talk:Irene Belserion

Irene vs. Eileen
Header says it all really. Just doing this preemptively, because undoubtedly some random user/anon will do it otherwise, and may as well get it over and done with. Yadda yadda Eileen in Stream's translation, and Irene in Crunchy's. Discuss for formalities sake. 21:54, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

Irene

 * 1)  21:54, April 25, 2016 (UTC)
 * 2) just makes the most sense  09:37, April 27, 2016 (UTC)
 * 3)  12:10, April 27, 2016 (UTC)
 * 4) Finally
 * 5) (Singsweet23 (talk) 03:31, April 28, 2016 (UTC))
 * 6)  19:58, April 28, 2016 (UTC)

Eileen


Let's wait for Chaos. If Chaos says both are viable translations, then we vote. But not until then--
 * Comments

I'm all for waiting fam. Me and Duel was gonna propose a vote anyway but better to wait for Chaos & crunchy 00:57, April 26, 2016 (UTC)

Not impossible to delete a vote if it turns out one's invalid, but I agree with you both on the matter 10:00, April 26, 2016 (UTC)

Last Name
With crunchy's version released here's all the viable last names for her:


 * Belserion (stream/crunchy)
 * 1)  09:37, April 27, 2016 (UTC)
 * 2)  12:10, April 27, 2016 (UTC)
 * 3)  15:24, April 27, 2016 (UTC)
 * 4) DisneySeggewys (talk) 19:02, April 27, 2016 (UTC)
 * 5)  19:58, April 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * 1)  19:58, April 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * 1)  19:58, April 28, 2016 (UTC)


 * Berserion (wrath)
 * 1) (Singsweet23 (talk) 03:30, April 28, 2016 (UTC))


 * Belselion (current/translated)


 * Comments

Alias
Just to be proper, here's all the viable aliases for her:


 * Scarlet Despair (current/stream/translated)
 * 1) Wtf is Scourge... That doesn't fit AT ALL. Sometimes I wonder if Crunchy checks Stream and goes, ok guys, our stuff has to be different. I mean, wat. Only the tertiary meaning is 'calamity'.  12:00, April 27, 2016 (UTC)
 * 2) How exactly do we get away with trying to use a false tl? .-. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 13:06, April 27, 2016 (UTC)
 * 3) I agree with sane on this, crunchy isn't always right just cause it's the official tl.. peep how they started using Alvarez over Alberth, which ain't even a real word. We can still have this open cause people already voted but if Chaos nixes it then it's whatever  14:12, April 27, 2016 (UTC)
 * 4) Umy trusts Estella May for translations, I trust Umy. 'Nuff reason for me.  21:12, April 27, 2016 (UTC)
 * 5) I prefer Scourge aesthetically but if Estella thinks Despair is best, I'll trust her  21:18, April 27, 2016 (UTC)
 * Scarlet Scourge (crunchy)
 * 1) I'm going with Crunchy
 * 2) I just don't like the other suggestion... (Singsweet23 (talk) 03:32, April 28, 2016 (UTC))
 * 1) I just don't like the other suggestion... (Singsweet23 (talk) 03:32, April 28, 2016 (UTC))

I'll bandwagon for her alias, both sound dope af to me. Feels like this vote will get dirty but might as well get it out of the way 09:37, April 27, 2016 (UTC)
 * Comments

Why can't it mean punishment? all 5 meanings of Scourge make sense 12:11, April 27, 2016 (UTC)
 * not even sure, these the only ones I've seen in general on tumblr and manga sites 12:17, April 27, 2016 (UTC)

As far as titles go, Scourge is far more prevalent (and meaningful) than Despair. It doesn't even need to be about judgement/punishment. It can simply mean a source of devastation/affliction.

However, can somebody confirm that Scourge is a proper tl? Always associated zetsubou with despair... --Sane Lunatic (talk) 12:22, April 27, 2016 (UTC)


 * That's what I'm saying, Crunchy is just being unnecessarily fancy. <_< The link I posted above doesn't even mention despair as one of the meanings, only calamity as the closest meaning... And even that is its third meaning. 12:30, April 27, 2016 (UTC)
 * So scourge is an improper tl? Then how is this a discussion? Just keep it Scarlet Despair and label Scarlet Scourge as a false tl, right? .-. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 12:35, April 27, 2016 (UTC)
 * Because Crunchy used it. .-. I mean, I was trying to look up the meanings of the word 'Scourge' and it doesn't seem to be a synonym to despair in any way. And at the same time, 'zetsubou' came out as 'despair' or 'hopelesness'. Both Stream and the ppl translating the spoilers used 'Despair'. Pls let's just stick to the actual meaning 12:45, April 27, 2016 (UTC)
 * Honestly, if this is the case, I don't think this should even be a discussion. Crunchy using it means shit. Those guys called the Flying Dragon Squad Dragon Flight Force. They're not infallible. I don't see how Crunchy using a dubious tl warrants it being considered correct. Still, I guess I'll play along... --Sane Lunatic (talk) 13:06, April 27, 2016 (UTC)
 * Yep 21:08, April 27, 2016 (UTC)

Deleted Votes

 * 1) Scourge  12:10, April 27, 2016 (UTC)

Enchanting Page
Shouldn't you guys make a separate page for her enchanting? I mean, you can count that as a separate magic or whatever, y'know - keep things organized. Super Kami Guru  (Swiggity swass, I'm gonna violate 'dat ass! ) 14:46, June 15, 2016 (UTC)

Except it may not really be. Wendy was also called an enchanter - she can boost offence/defence of her targets, but her magic is still a Sky Dragon Slayer Magic. While this is merely my interpretation of what we've seen in the last few chapters, Irene's reconstruction magic simply allows her to 'enchant' her surroundings for different effects. I do see a paragraph for enchanting alone in her article, but meh, hopefully more light will be shed on her abilities soon. 14:58, June 15, 2016 (UTC)

Okay, fair enough. It was a suggestion I had after seeing how it was counted as two separate magics. In the latest chapter. Super Kami Guru  (Swiggity swass, I'm gonna violate 'dat ass! ) 16:32, June 15, 2016 (UTC)