Talk:Tale of Fairy Tail: Ice Trail

Canon or not

 * Canon
 * 1) --  The Talk Goblin  15:21, November 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * 2) When the initial discussion took place, it was agreed upon that it was canon. We know Mashima is involved, it runs in Month Fairy Tail Magazine, which no other spinoff does. We don't have any new evidence to say it is not canon, so until then, I say keep it as canon--
 * 3) I would personally say that the magazine is proof enough in itself, although that's just my honest opinion.
 * 4) Due to Light Dragon Slayer, I was actually on the fence about MFT being canon, but Mashima spending an entire afterword on it and acknowledging Ice Trail... and what with two different sources saying that Mashima supervises it, definitely think it is canon. Listen to Mashima, guys, and take MFT into your hearts. ;D --Sane Lunatic (talk) 18:20, November 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) Due to Light Dragon Slayer, I was actually on the fence about MFT being canon, but Mashima spending an entire afterword on it and acknowledging Ice Trail... and what with two different sources saying that Mashima supervises it, definitely think it is canon. Listen to Mashima, guys, and take MFT into your hearts. ;D --Sane Lunatic (talk) 18:20, November 20, 2015 (UTC)


 * Non-canon
 * 1) I still see no definite proof that Ice Trail is in any way canon; all the other spin offs say "Original Story: Hiro Mashima" as well, which is literally saying that they are using his characters, regardless of how much he's agrees with its content. "Оversees" means nothing. We don't know to what extent, as well. I'm sure he discusses things with the authors of other spin-offs too, but that doesn't make them canon in any way. Monthly Fairy Tail Magazine has a plenty of other writers, not just Mashima. That's why we have such bullshit as Light Dragon Slayer Magic. Unless he himself states - yes, I consider this the part of the main story, I ain't going for this as a canon story. Definitely not on the level of FT ZERO.  14:43, November 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * 2) Did anyone ever for an instant think that maybe it's in the monthly FT magazine because it's his assistant that made the series? They are literally in the same fking room the entire working week... Mashima is the editor for the series; he supervises about as much as his editor does for him. It's credited with Mashima as being FT creator (like all other spinoffs), and other than that, it's an original story created by Yusuke Shirato. Well...whatever. To me, it's just a semi-interesting story about a boring Gray. I don't consider it canon anymore.  22:27, November 19, 2015 (UTC)
 * 3) Just not seeing how being published in the magazine = canon. :/ 04:17,11/20/2015
 * 4) Okay I read what Wrath updated, and I'm convinced by that now, especially the photo.
 * 5) Alright well I did some re-thinking and looked through various sources, distributor information, etc. and honestly, the fact that Ice Trail's canon credibility is so vague does it no favors. FT0 was blatantly stated to be canon and stated in a way where we all unanimously agree it is so, yet Hiro and other distributors aren't as blunt with Ice Trail. Also from a personal aspect, Ice Trail's story doesn't quite fit into the main story well. It truly does feel like a spinoff, like how Blue Mistral and Fairy Girls are. Oh right, and I forgot to mention Wrath's post. Hiro said that the manga (Ice Trail) is apart of a new Fairy Tail world, which leads me to believe its set in a timeline that is separate from the main story, hence a spinoff.  19:07, November 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * 6) Hiro is involved in a lot of outside of the main manga (light novels, spin-offs, movies, filler arcs, ova's), none of which are considered canon (he has even had a creative hand in some of them). And for the record, Hiro checks all his spin-offs. Judging from this tweet, you would think he checks everything related to Fairy Tail. Supervising and checking doesn't mean canon. Hell, even being involved in the creative aspects doesn't make it canon either. Only thing that matters is whether Hiro accepts it as canon or whether or not it has any impact on the series. Being in monthly fairy tail magazine doesn't mean anything. Aside from FTZ, Hiro isn't even involved in it aside from interviews and artwork. I'm sure he checks everything, but that's more so to make sure there isn't any incorrect facts and whatnot.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 19:43, November 20, 2015 (UTC)


 * Neutral

Just some points~ --Sane Lunatic (talk) 13:13, November 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * Comments
 * Lady Chaos mentioned (via Wrath) on Gray's page that Mashima actually checks IT for errors and whatnot. But, for all I know, she might wanna change that statement.
 * Mangastream made this statement, something they didn't do for the other spin-offs announced at around the same time. But, then again, they might have already changed their minds about IT being canon.
 * IT comes out in Monthly Fairy Tail Magazine, a magazine about Fairy Tail. But then, it is written by people besides Mashima.
 * Like FT0, IT is basically expanding on a canon part of FT history and doesn't deviate from canon, with the entire manga being in a particular timeframe, unlike many omakes. It actually tells us how and why Gray decided to join Fairy Tail. The other spin-offs are completely original with no effect on mainline manga. IT and FT0 are like prequels, while the other spin-offs are like side-stories.

Your neutrals arent helping at all btw, guys. And I have to disagree with both God and Ummy's note on there being no evidence of the spin-off not being canon; we're supposed to get evidence that it is canon. And there is none. Really. 17:04, November 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * It is considered canon as of now. I gave the reasons I think its canon. As the one trying to change things, the burden of proof falls on you--
 * That's a warped logic in all honesty? My evidence is that there is no evidence supporting your claim. :/ Please show me where it says that FT Magazine hosting a spin off makes it any more canon than any other Kodansha magazine? The very same publisher that adds bullshit lines to the opening and ending pages of the main manga and gave us bullshit such as Light Dragon Slayer Magic in the very same magazine that you're so keen on defending? 22:20, November 19, 2015 (UTC)

Btw, just wanna say that if MFT is really to be put under such an intense lens of suspicion, then we should revert many of the kanji changes as well as Wendy and Carla's inclusion in Team Natsu. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 17:12, November 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * My only doubt comes from stuff like Light Dragon Slayer Magic; Sting doesn't eat light, he ate a fckin white arrow when he was introduced the first time. 17:15, November 18, 2015 (UTC)

Based on Sane's comment: My takes on everything. We should consider anything non-canon that doesn't have "Created by Hiro Mashima" plastered on the damn cover. Couldn't give an honest damn if it runs in FT magazine. There's more reasons than, "Oh it must be canon" that explain why it's in there, and there is evidence as to why it isn't: Where is any mention of this in Hiro's story? Where is any reference or mention to Gray's childhood beyond Ur? Where are these friends he said he would meet again, and all that? Wouldn't we have seen them by now? Answer: They don't exist in Hiro's story; they exist in Yusuke's, who wrote an original story. 22:40, November 19, 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) Mashima checks IT for errors. This is what an editor does. It's like saying I am co-writer for someone's term paper because I gave it a grammar run.
 * 2) No comment on MS's stuff, because otherwise this wouldn't be a debate at all.
 * 3) Yusuke and Hiro are in the same room all the time. He is his assistant. Of course they'd be in the same magazine.
 * 4) Twin Dragons must be canon too because it expands on an otherwise canon, but virtually untouched part of the story (Sabertooth's unseen activities during the 1 year timeskip). IT is also far from a prequel. It is Gray's side-story. FT0 is the only true prequel because it has events that predate the current series that have everything to do with what is currently going on. IT happens ten years or so before the series, but what besides that? Nothing Gray has ever done has been referenced in the main canon, and that's one huge damn reason as to why we shouldn't consider it canon. Met Gildarts, Juvia, Jude, Wakaba and had an entire battle with a guild, made new friends that he hasn't thought about at all in the main canon, etc. etc. ...do you really think any of this is legit? Hiro is a writer that connects all his plot points together. I see shit as far as this is concerned.

For you people who say it's canon. This was the volume 44 afterword. Let's go over the high points: If Hiro had involvement, he would've said it. As far as we know, he is just an editor of sorts. It's not fucking canon. 18:02, November 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * The FT Monthly Magazine is just a new type of marketing they are trying to promote using Fairy Tail.
 * Fairy Tail Zerø is written and drawn exclusively by Mashima and is a prequel, not part of the spin-off project.
 * Hiro himself describes Ice Trail as being written exclusively by Yusuke and as being part of the giant spin-off project that is currently going on as we speak.

@Sane's vote: What are you on about? Wrath has just shown you an afterword written by Mashima which says that Ice Trail is an alternate universe spin off story 18:39, November 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * atarashī FT wārudo!! == MFTM. Not some new universe. "It's a whole new world," doesn't mean that things have suddenly jumped into a new dimension. Too literal, Misk. XD --Sane Lunatic (talk) 19:13, November 20, 2015 (UTC)

@Sane: Volume 46 has an extra guild d'art section with pictures drawn by all the spin-off artists for their spin-off manga. By that logic, they must all be canon too since there was an entire section devoted for them... 18:45, November 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * Guild d'art and Afterword? Apples and oranges, Wrath. .-. There's a difference between promoting spin-offs in volumes, afterwords and tweets and actually dedicating an afterword to acknowledging a massive project which is all about Fairy Tail. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 19:13, November 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * It was an afterword to promote the buying of the new magazine; a marketing ploy for a marketing ploy. The covers of every single spin-off say "Original Work by Hiro Mashima" and "Manga by *Author Name*" Just because it's in Monthly FT doesn't make it canon, especially when on the cover of the damn volumes they say that Yusuke is the creator. 19:15, November 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * Ummm, marketing ploy or otherwise, acknowledgement is acknowledgement. :/ IT covers don't have the "Original Work by Hiro Mashima" thingy tho. Aside from Snowy Origin Comrades. ._./ --Sane Lunatic (talk) 19:37, November 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh really? 19:45, November 20, 2015 (UTC)

Just a quick opinion about Fairy Tail Zero's spin-off status; a spin-off is any work derived from a previously existing work. It is a prequel in the form of a spin-off series. While a lot of spin-offs are sequels or take place sometime within the span of series timeline, some spin-offs can be prequels. FTZ has been called spin-off countless times by official sources.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 19:48, November 20, 2015 (UTC)


 * Deleted votes
 * 1) Don't care anymore. Just want to get this over with so I know what to do with this piece of shit. e_e --Sane Lunatic (talk) 13:13, November 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * 2) Personally, I'd say consider it non-canon, as it's a hassle to deal with.. and like Misk said, many other writers are involved within the magazine. However, it seems both spinoffs in MFT are under direct control of Mashima, and due to that direct statement, I can't vote based on preference, but on fact.  16:30, November 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) Personally, I'd say consider it non-canon, as it's a hassle to deal with.. and like Misk said, many other writers are involved within the magazine. However, it seems both spinoffs in MFT are under direct control of Mashima, and due to that direct statement, I can't vote based on preference, but on fact.  16:30, November 18, 2015 (UTC)