Talk:Alvarez Empire

Albareth vs. Alvarez
I would like to change the name of this article, since アルバレス (arubaresu) is more in tune with Alvarez (compare: ビデオbideo - video). Additionally, if it was to be Albareth, it would be written アルバレフ (arubarefu).--Kamikashi (talk) 16:55, June 30, 2015 (UTC)

Albareth is the translation that the official source - Crunchyroll - uses, it's also been approved by our translator 17:02, June 30, 2015 (UTC)

Besides, if the name would in fact be Alvarez, Katakana would logically go like this if I'm not mistaken: アルバレズ (Arubarezu). 17:06, June 30, 2015 (UTC)

Alright, you got me with Crunchyroll. So it stays for now Albareth.--Kamikashi (talk) 05:15, July 1, 2015 (UTC)

Actually, I looked up the Japanese Wikipedia, and アルバレス is a legitimate transliteration of "Alvarez". In fact, the official spelling of Jellal's English surname is "Fernandez", even though it's written in Japanese as フェルナンデス (Ferunandesu). Remember, the Japanese spelling doesn't always equate to the non-Japanese pronunciation. Otherwise Hades' name in Japanese would be ヘイディーズ (Heidīzu) instead of ハデス (Hadesu). But I suppose we're going by Crunchyroll translations for this. It may wind up being one of those things changed for Kodansha, though; remember, Crunchyroll thought "Etherious" was "Aetherious", which would turn E.N.D. into A.N.D. Also, they kept using spellings like "Poluchka", "Grandine" and "Doranbolt" when Kodansha kept using "Porlyusica", "Grandeeney" and "Doranbalt". Immblueversion (talk) 05:49, July 18, 2015 (UTC)

Well, I was going to bring this up later, but I believe we should go by Alvarez as well. :/ Crunchyroll isn't and never has been our official translator, and although Albareth is a correct translation too, it's kinda gibberish and Engrish whereas Alvarez is a name used for several different things including people, places, and mental disorders, lol.  05:54,7/18/2015


 * On top of that, it sounds Spanish, and one of the areas near the Empire, カラコール, is a transliteration of the Spanish word for "snail" (caracol). On the other hand, Jellal shares his Japanese name with "Gerard"... Immblueversion (talk) 06:00, July 18, 2015 (UTC)

Both are correct and I like both translations, so I am indifferent to any change. Although if we do decide to change it, we should use a bot, as there would be a LOT of work needed to be done. 17:40, July 18, 2015 (UTC)

I honestly don't care what we use.

But

I -really- hate the inconsistency when we use different names than the official translations, because those are being used to the chapter titles. :/ 21:18, July 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * If we change the name of the place to Alvarez, than any chapter title mentions of Albareth should be changed to reflect that as well.  21:45,7/18/2015
 * But we have a policy to keep Crunchyroll/Kodansha titles in the list of chapters. And that bothers the hell out of me 21:47, July 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * When did that policy come into play? O__o To the best of my knowledge, we stop considering any manga provider "official" after Delray and have just been using Kodasha/Crunchyroll as possible translations for votes. If we are legitimately using their titles, then I think we need to open a discussion about it. Seems kinda weird to have the chapter titles include a translation we don't adhere to. >__<  21:58,7/18/2015
 * I'm fairly certain it is a result of a discussion we've had in past. I actually get the point since if we're listing volumes along with chapter names and once someone buys the volume and the title is different, it may look awkward, if that makes any sense. I'm just really bothered by the inconsistency that this causes though
 * Yeah, we've had this discussion before. We still include the official Kodansha title in the article, and on the Volumes and Chapters page, but the first sentence of the article will use our own spellings as opposed to the actual Kodansha translation. Feels pointless to have just the first sentence have our own spellings but that's how the discussion went.. 22:26, July 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * Oooo I remember that discussion now. :P To be fair, that's just kinda par for the course for the wiki and for any manga. Japanese is very interpretive and everything doesn't translate cleanly, and since we don't necessarily go by what's printed in the volumes, what we list sometimes goes against what they list and I don't have an issue with that.  22:35,7/18/2015

I'm fine sticking with Albareth. Aside from it being the translation used by.. pretty much the only official english translator, there are instances where english translations (Carla) will conflict with the jap name. In my opinion, the name Albareth comes off more regal as opposed to Alvarez, which comes off as hispanic and is a theme I have yet to see since the arc has begun. Who knows, maybe my opinion will change later, but for now, I'm fine with the way things are. 22:23, July 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * As Imblue mentioned earlier, the name "Caracol" is Hispanic as well. :P  22:35,7/18/2015
 * Hm I see.. Well, if the themes are heavily emphasized, Crunchy should/would have picked up on it by now. Or perhaps they are going by Spain's spanish (@Reli's comment) ;) 11:33, July 19, 2015 (UTC)
 * if its Spain's spanish, its still written as Alvarez, but its pronounced Alvareth 14:19, July 19, 2015 (UTC)

I support Alvarez. Alvarez is a common Spanish last name while Albareth is nothing. Also, in Spain's spanish (think of it as England'd english), the letter z is pronounced as a th. So Alvarez is latin America is pronounced like Alvares but in Spain its pronounced Alvareth. Also yes Caracol means Snail 23:53, July 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * Alvarez is a spanish surname. To my knowledge, there are a lot of spelling variations of this name, but the most common spelling I have seen is Alvarez. And I haven't seen it spelt as Albareth (the official translation) outside Fairy Tail. Chaos said she would've translated as Alvarez but decided to with Albareth.
 * As for Caracol/Caracole, to my knowledge they are both are accepted spellings for 'snail' in spanish. The official translation uses Caracol. I don't know whether or not one of them is a traditional spelling or a modern spelling, but I think we should use Caracol just to stay consistent with the official translation (they are both accepted spellings anyway so it doesn't really matter which one we choose).--DuelMaster93 (talk) 04:47, July 19, 2015 (UTC)
 * lol wut. In spanish there is not one single word with more than one spelling. Caracole = nothing, caracol = snail. 04:55, July 19, 2015 (UTC)
 * Don't know spanish, but from what I looked up they both mean snail (maybe there's different spellings in different countries/communities). But if you're right, and Caracole means nothing, we should change Caracole Island to Caracol Island.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 05:07, July 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * I know this has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but seeing how Crunchyroll used "Caracol" in the latest chapter, I support that change. Immblueversion (talk) 05:09, July 19, 2015 (UTC)

I don't know. Both names may have a certain meaning in the series which may be revealed later on. Therefore, I'd rather we wait more on this before doing something prematurely. It's still just my opinion, though, which may or may not be accepted. 06:12, July 19, 2015 (UTC)