Forum:Non-Canon Spin-Offs

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Hola amigos,

today I am here to discuss a rather major issue which impacts the way this wiki is supposed to head to.

ಠ_ಠ That sounds really serious, doesn't it?

Anyways, to make this as short as possible, hahahahaha looking at it now, it really isn't short I think the way we are handling all the spin-offs appearing everywhere is extremely inefficient. We have barely enough active contributors to deal with the main series and its anime (hello, Eclipse Spirits arc still not being up to date?) and I believe not even Ice Trail, supposedly a canon series is completely updated.

There have been some people trying to make contributions towards these series (Fairy Girls, Sabertooth thingy, etc.) and their help is greatly appreciated, but for, uh, the betterment of the wiki, we should come up with a much simpler format to ensure that we are not left with half-updated articles, only a few character/magic/fight pages made, etc.

So, my suggestion is: Every spin-off series should have
 * A general page - As in, what the series is, its creator, brief description of plot, and a list of chapters/volumes. The latter could be a separate page too for all I care.
 * There should be a separate Characters page either for every different spin-off, or for all spin-offs together. I'm leaning towards the latter. The point is, I think it's super retarded to have these characters mixed into the main series' list when they are non-canon - more than any anime filler will ever be, hell, they could be an alternate universe of sorts too. Same goes for Magic, etc.

And that's it.

Seriously.

No specific chapter pages. No specific character pages. No fight pages. No magic pages.

Really.

As long as all these spin-offs are running, there is no way in hell we'll be able to make articles for everything necessary the way we do it for the main series. They will never be up to date or in the quality we're looking for. And that makes things look super messy in my humble opinion. Characters from different series mixed up with others, half of them not having pages or them not being complete... yeah, no, ty.

We're Fairy Tail wiki, not Fairy Girls wiki or something like that. If anyone wants to make a separate encyclopedia for them, be my guest. However, we should be focusing on the main series (ECS says hello again) before making more work for us with these spin-offs. Yea, they are FT related material, but they are not canon, they are different universe, etc. They do deserve a mention on the wiki, but they shouldn't get the same attention as the main series. By far.

So, uh, discuss? If anyone has a different suggestion, do share. Later, we can gather everything for some voting or what, but for now, just share your opinion.

Misk out.

20:42, September 3, 2015 (UTC)

100% agree from me. I think a general wikipedia style page for each series and a mention of canon character appearing in the series in the AIOM section and thats all they should get. Anyone is free to start a Fairy Girls or Twin Dragons of Sabertooth wiki but all that content is best saved for an individual wiki like that. We would of course affiliate with any wikis created for this purpose and probably advertise them here as well, but as Misk has said, we are already behind on the main series and cant be devoting resources to non canon info.--

I agree with this. For magic, just make a page called Magic (Spin-Off) and then make sections for every non-canon spinoff and list all the magic that's used. For magic that exists already, like Sting's, we can just make a non-canon spell section and put just a picture. No links. A character page for all spin-offs would be nice as well, again divided into sections. Anyway, I agree with all this. LUT taking over Zero and IT was one thing, they are canon. As cool as Twin Dragons is, it isn't canon. And all this Fairy Girls stuff being made is dumb because it doesn't fit anywhere in the timeline because it's not canon. We have a fights timeline for crying out loud, and where would we put it? Nowhere. Simple is best here, imo. 20:57, September 3, 2015 (UTC)

I really don't have a lot of time on my hands atm, so I'mma get back to this later in order to share my full opinion, but for now I'll just state my agreement. I think shortening down the amount of pages for the spin-offs, as well as the general information given regarding them, is a very efficient way of dealing with these obvious issues that we have right now. I would say we have one page for each spin-off, containing short chapter summaries and all that jazz, one page for the characters involved in all the spin-offs, which includes Magic, Spells etc. and that's it. So tl;dr, I whole-heartedly agree, and a mere one page per spin-off, including one page for characters in the spin-offs altogether, should be sufficient enough.

First of all, one of the main reasons why these spin-offs are being underworked is because the lack of translations available for these chapters and most of the users on the wiki are focusing on canon stuff and the ecs arc at the moment. According to the author, Blue Mistral is ending sometime either end of this year or early next year and you would think Fairy Girls wouldn't be too far behind. There are only a handful of new characters, spells, magic etc. It isn't as much work as people think. There isn't enough content to bother making another wiki. We will still have half-updated articles no matter what changes we make now. Chapters not being available is out of our control. Also, it just so happens that these spin-offs are coming out at a bad time, (with FTZ, Ice Trail being released around the same time and the ECS arc still being worked on). It doesn't matter that we're behind because most of this stuff isn't even available to us, and maybe only 5% of that is available legally (in english). @Wrath Fairy Girls was stated in the first chapter to take place immediately after the The Great Banquet, and all these spin-offs are quite easy to fit in the timeline. But in saying that, with so many events taking place in between the Grand Magic Games and the Sun Village arc, it's probably best that we don't have battle and events pages considering we don't do them for the omake. Also (spin-offs aside), I think with Fights and events, where it says previous and next we should do what we do with the story arcs and list the next canon event and list the anime event as anime-only (meaning on the Conflict on Grimoire Heart's Airship page, the next event listed should be Sky Labyrinth, and Dance Ball at Balsamico Castle listed with 'anime-only (in brackets)' next to it.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 22:23, September 3, 2015 (UTC)


 * As far as I know, the chapters are getting translated though, regularly or irregularly. The issue is people not being interested in reading them, let alone working on pages related to them. Also, Zero and IT are over. 22:35, September 3, 2015 (UTC)


 * I meant that FTZ and IT were ongoing during the majority of these series run. There was 4 spin-offs all being released at once, and everyone was working on FTZ and IT. And by the time those 2 ended everyone lost interest in the non-canon ones. Blue Mistral and Fairy Girls have pretty much been dropped by their translators and there aren't many chapters out. From my understanding, Sane is pretty much the only person actively working on IT. Looking at Ultra's review of the Fairy Girls chapters there seems to be enough people interested but there was only 2 chapters translated at the time, but those people have most likely lost interest due to chapters not being translated or being translated at a very very slow rate. I'd say wait until a significant amount of time has passed after at least 2-3 volumes have been released in english. If the FTZ, IT and ecs arc are all done and the chapters have been available legally in english for a significant amount of time and still no one works on these spin-offs, then we can consider making changes. But as for now, work is still being done on other things and there is barely any chapters available to work with.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 23:02, September 3, 2015 (UTC)

It shouldn't matter where they are placed or whether there is availability. These spin-offs are non-canon. We can't put them in the synopses because of the obvious issue of them not being canon, as is the point of the whole debate, and the appearances in other media sections would just be blown up with bytes. We'd have to end up making even more tabs for people like Erza and Lucy. It doesn't matter where they fit in the timeline, if they weren't confirmed by Mashima to be part of the official FT-verse, then arguments are invalid. It also doesn't matter how many people are interested, we have non-canon things being mixed with canon things. So you are saying that you'd rather have the wiki just sit around and look like even more shit than it already does for like another year before we can even think about doing anything to make it look better? That doesn't make any sense. The LUT only handles canon stuff. FT Girls, Sabertooth, BM and the like aren't canon. Again, it's not hard to get. They don't fit anywhere, their presences are disrupting the content of the wiki. They should be completely separate and dumbed down. We are a FT encyclopedia, yes, but we can't document everything in detail. Like I said, simple is best in this case. 23:09, September 3, 2015 (UTC)

Here is a simple fact. Though they may use FT characters, these spinoffs are not FT. They are written by different authors who take whatever liberties they want with them. I like FT. I tried all the spinoffs and dont like those. As a member of the LUT, I shouldnt have to update non canon synopses for a series I don't like just because FT characters are in the series. It makes no sense. The separate wikis solution is the best. We can affiliate with spin off wikis and advertise them on the spin off pages but I am not in support of having anything detailed about the spinoffs other than a page about the spinoff--

The spin-offs themselves aren't that long. It wouldn't take up that much space in the AIOM page. The only exception being Wendy and Carla (who both have small AIOM sections) due to having significant appearances in 2 spin-offs. Every other character, It wouldn't be that much at all. And availability is more than a valid reason. You can't work on something that isn't available to you. And no one wants to work on a series if a chapter is only available to them every 5 months or so. And there are plenty of other pages that look like shit that no one bothers to work on (such as incomplete articles related to the ecs arc, video game pages, omake pages etc). Incomplete spin-off pages barely makes any difference to how good the wiki looks overall. If anything, putting everything on 1 page with incomplete information in every section would look even more shit. It will always look like shit until the series are completed with everything. And even if the wiki did look like shit for a year, what difference is another year going to make? What I'm saying is there are reasons why the series are being underworked and given what's out there at the moment it's best to wait. All it would be is a few summaries in the AIOM media for canon characters, and handful of spin-off characters, spells, magic etc. It won't be that many pages and most pages will be relatively small. If you don't want them mixed up with canon, then just add them to a different template or section. In 7 chapters of Blue Mistral there is only 1 new magic and only 4 new characters. There isn't as much content as people think. Even if it looks like shit, not many people are looking at these pages anyway, and given what's out there, we should at least wait until more is available.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 23:44, September 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * There will be far more than just a handful of pages. If we did it your way, we would have 20+ character pages from each series, 20+ magic pages, etc. The spinoffs have no end in sight. For all we know they could go for years. The fact of the matter is most people do not want to work on them. So why not create a wiki for those who DO want to work on them? This makes everything more organized and prevents the main wiki from being super far behind--
 * No, no one is working on them because nobody really enjoys them who actually does work on the wiki. No one wants to add even more work onto the pile for something that isn't even Hiro Mashima made, or put out by A-1. The point is that non-canon stuff and canon stuff are being mixed together and everything is incomplete and will always be incomplete. Shoving more work onto people who already do enough work as it is isn't right, and trying to force other people to do it accomplishes the same objective. We can't intricately document everything. Again, for the third time, simple is best. 00:06, September 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * I meant only a handful of pages for each thing. A handful of new characters won't be that much. Blue Mistral will be ending either at the end of this year or start of next year, and Fairy Girls would't be too far behind. The wiki may be far behind, but given that all we have is 1 volume of Blue Mistral in english, we aren't really behind. And creating new wiki's for each spin-off is a lot more work than just leaving everything here, and chances are more people are going to work on them here rather than another wiki that will most likely look like complete shit. With the exception of the Sabertooth spin-off, I would be surprised if any of these were still around by the start of next year.
 * As stated before, let's just wait until a decent amount of time passes after these spin-offs are available legally. We don't have to rush this decision. I would work on these spin-offs more if more was available, but there's not much to work with at the moment. Maybe once it is available legally more people will be interested. Availability is a major reason and it's best we wait. Once more is available legally I will work on the more.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 00:17, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

Making another wikia about these spin-offs would be a waste since nearly no one is working on the non-canon spin-offs as much as the main series. Maybe just make another page like what was suggested at the very top of this forum. Also the number of characters from the translated chapters of blue mistral in total (sofar) is about 11 named characters and 4 unnamed ones, for Fairy Girls there are (sofar) 11 characters in total.12:05, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

@DuelMaster: Firstly, creating another wiki was just an example for what could be done in case somebody really wanted to dedicate themselves to work with these spin-offs. And when you say there are only a handful of characters, as Tamer pointed out, that's a handful of characters for each spin-off. In fact, it would most probably be more than a handful characters for each spin-off. If every one of these characters were to have their own page, that would mean a lot of work - about 40 characters, with appearance, personality and history sections needed to be filled with info. Maybe even separate Magic and Spell pages as well. If that's not a lot of work, I don't know what is. In addition, we would also have to have separate chapter pages with way more in dept information than if we had only one page for every spin-off. Also, availability is surely not the problem here. For example, the very first chapter of the Blue Mistral spin-off is missing a summary, even though that chapter has been available legally for a long time. The dedicated users of this site are just not interested in even reading most of these spin-offs, and much less write summaries about them.

All in all, what you are suggesting is that: Firstly, we dedicate ourselves to do work regarding subjects we are not in the least interested in, as well as work that is unnecessary in the whole. Can't you see how wrong that is? If you are interested in the spin-offs to the extent that you would take on this work-load yourself, then for all I care go ahead. If not, then I believe you haven't even got a case. And I think I speak on the behalf of pretty much every experienced and dedicated user on this site when I say that none of us will freely partake in such a project.

Sigh. Thank you guys for making this discussion way tl;dr. Here's my opinion on the situation - right now we should do a simplified version of the non-cannon spin-offs. I.e., a general series page that lists all the chapters, has a gallery with all the characters, has short summaries of each chapters, and lists all the Magic and spells in the thingy. Why bother spreading all of this out over multiple pages when we can fit it all on to each individual non-cannon spin-off page? That way, it'll make those articles longer (they're all stub-like now) and people won't have to go searching for information. For example, on the Twin Dragons of Sabertooth page, we could have as the sections: Plot, Chapters, Characters, and Magic. Does that make sense? Now I'm not saying that we have to use these simplified versions for ever. If one day we have a bunch of active editors and people are willing and able to read the spin-offs, then sure, we can revisit expanding them. But right now, I think a simplified version would be best. As far as the other spin-off wikis suggestions though, that's just stupid. >_> Jak out bitches. 16:24,9/4/2015


 * I just don't see a point in going through magic/fights/chapter summaries, even if they are short, they still require a lot of effort to be put together. Also, 'other spin-off wikis' wasn't a suggestion, rather an option for those who would still want to devote their time and effort to the spin-offs. 17:58, September 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not suggesting creating Magic/Chapter pages (and I never mentioned fights), I was simply suggesting we list the non-canon Magics presented in the series on the actual non-canon series pages (as opposed to Wrath's suggestion of creating a non-canon Magic hub page of sorts :P). And as far as short chapter summaries go, I don't think a two-to-three sentence summary of a chapter would be much work at all for the people actually reading it. Although tbh, I couldn't care either way. And as far as the other wikis go, I know, I just think it's kinda retarded. I don't imagine that these spin offs will last long at all. And creating different wikis for subjects so intricately involved with our own wiki's subject is just weird. And yes, we don't have the man power to properly handle the spin offs right now (and maybe we never will), but I still do believe information regarding them is something that belongs on this wiki. :/ 23:01,9/4/2015

First of all, the first Blue Mistral chapter hasn't been available legally in english for a long time. The first volume was only just released in english a little over a week ago and wasn't available legally in english prior to that anywhere. Also, the majority of these new characters wouldn't have very long summaries. And yes, if it means all these things will stay I will work on them even if no-one else does, but as long as we wait until more is available legally. I am not asking or forcing anyone to partake in any of this. If you don't want any of this stuff getting mixed up with canon stuff than simply put everything into spin-off categories, templates etc. Also, putting everything on 1 page now is not going to make the situation any better. There will be empty/incomplete sections all over the page. All I ask is that we a while for more content to become available. By the start of next year we will have 2 volumes of BM and 1 volume of FG available legally in english, and that's when I plan to start working on the spin-offs. And deleting pages now would undo some of the work that has already been done, so we might as well keep them since they will be re-created at some point.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 00:13, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

It's hardly going to be incomplete. If we put everything onto the spin-off page, including a list of characters that appear solely in the spin-off using the character templates, and a small, written portion of all magic and their accompanying spells, how is it going to be incomplete? The difference is that it will be incomplete slightly in one area instead of incomplete across about 40 others. And they may not necessarily be recreated at some point. You are literally saying you intend to work on every single part of the spin-offs, including character page creation, working on chapter and character summaries, magics and spells, etc. Yeah, no I don't buy it at all. The solution we are offering is the most rational and logical. We are obligated to acknowledge and record details of the spin-offs. We are not obligated to treat them as we would the canon material because it has no rational place to go, as it was not produced by Hiro or A-1. We aren't taking the lazy way out; we're taking the logical path to ensuring that the series get attention, but without affecting the quality of our wiki, which has significantly dropped in the last, roughly, 11 months. What you are suggesting is that we sit with our hands on our behinds and wait for you to legally acquire all the spin-offs, when the fact of the matter is that one way or another, the spin-offs are able to be read online in almost their complete entirety thus far. Nobody is working on them actively because we flat out all think that they should've been handled the way we are suggesting from the very beginning. 00:21, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

Duelmaster, if you are so intent on having a proper wiki page for everything in Blue Mistral, why not create your own wiki for Blue Mistral? You are the only one who wants to work on it so better to do it where you have complete control. The problem is not that the chapters arent in English. I can read any of the chapters, Wrath can find them, Misk as well. The problem is none of us want to. We don't like Blue Mistral so we are not going to waste our time working on it. If the content is to stay on this wiki, I think we are all pretty set on just a single general page now. If you wanted to create a Blue Mistral wiki you are free to do so and you have complete creative control over it--

So what exactly happens if we get an official name for an Unofficially Titled Article in one of the spin-offs? If those are used, then one might say that Sting's magical punches also have an official name. I haven't really seen any evidence that Mashima is involved with the games, yet we have a lot of stuff from them, even naming canon Spells using the games. Apologies for the useless comment in case there actually is such evidence. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 01:42, September 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * That's a little different and we'd handle it like we handle things using the video games, but that's not what we're talking about at all, lol. 01:44, September 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * But we actually have pages for Video Game exclusive Spells, but only some of them. Imo, those should be removed too. Including similar Character pages. They're the same case as the spin-offs. And only some Spells have pages, so that's also pretty incomplete, not to mention the inaccessibility. Main point is that Games be treated the same way as these spin-offs. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 01:52, September 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * Video games and spin-offs are completely different. We have literally everything that we can for the video games because they just aren't available in English, and the characters don't have synopses and have clear, definable separation from the main canon. No one is trying to write video-game exclusive content into the character pages. We have bare-bones information on the games with a couple extra things thrown in there. 02:31, September 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * Tbh, I don't really see the difference between the two. Aren't we saying that we shouldn't have spin-off info in detail 'cuz they are non-canon and Mashima is not involved (an argument which I support, btw)? Doesn't the same hold true for the games (if anybody has proof that Mashima is involved, plz post here)? --Sane Lunatic (talk) 17:54, September 6, 2015 (UTC)

Chapters being online in almost in their complete entirely thus far is a big overstatement. FG and BM have pretty much been dropped. There aren't enough chapters translated to work with. Some of them even have gaps in-between. It's still going to be incomplete due not having enough content. All you are doing is putting all the mess in one area to create a bigger mess. Also, I will say this again, I will not ask or force anyone to partake in any of this. And it's pointless to create spin-off wiki's cause no one's even gonna visit them and they're gonna be super small. And if no one wants to work on these series then who the hell is gonna edit everything onto a single page? I certainly won't be if that's the way we're gonna go (sorry, but i'm not gonna do anything unless it's done properly). Either way, someone is gonna have to read them no matter what option we choose.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 02:12, September 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * Except it wouldn't be a bigger mess. I don't know exactly what you're picturing it to be, but how I picture it to be is really clear and quite organized, tbh. Though if I have to say, I would rather seriously make a character page separate for all spin-off characters so that the byte counts and page lengths don't get too out of proportions. Another reason nobody wants to work on these is because the characters and stuff literally need to be made from the ground up and updated regularly. This includes locations, magic, spells, characters, weapons; the lot, really. The wiki isn't going to sit around and wait for one single person to do all the work for 3, or maybe even more, spin-offs, whenever they have the time. You don't have to do anything. Honestly, if the workload was reduced significantly via this method then I'm pretty certain that there wouldn't be any trouble adding stuff to the series pages. 02:31, September 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * I get that, but from my understanding based on what everyone's telling me, no-one wants to even read these spin-offs. Even if everything on the page would all be brief summaries, you still need someone to read it and edit everything. And it will still be a mess due to missing chapters. For example FG 1-3 & 6-7 have been translated and nothing in between or afterwords. But whatever, for now I concede, but can we at least keep chapter pages so that the pages aren't too big?--DuelMaster93 (talk) 02:53, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

Well, if someone's going to make a spin-off wiki then all three (Blue Mistral, Fairy Girls & The Twin Dragons of Sabertooth) spin-offs should all be in one wiki since separately the wikis would be very dead with practically no one to edit the pages. and how will it be if for the spells, magic, etc. from the pages here to those wikis? 04:52, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

Haven't fully processed all of this, but is the general gist of this discussion that people are mostly leaning towards the incomplete spinoff information being condensed for the time being? Also, if a lack of willing editors is a problem, I don't mind helping out. Inept Wiki User (talk) 11:40, September 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's exactly what we're suggesting. Just condensing it, and if there are more editors available who are able to work on this stuff in the future, then it's as simple as an admin undeletes a page. However what's likely to happen is that in the future no one still wants to work on these spin-offs and we have the gist of it in its entirety stored away to see if people are interested. 17:48, September 6, 2015 (UTC)

So its been a few days now and I think we are all pretty much in agreement to condense everything to a single page per series. Anyone other than duelmaster object before we go about doing this?--

Nope, I fully agree. And in regards to video games, that's an entirely different "issue" that doesn't need to be mentioned any further. 20:26, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

I have no objections either. I'll probably even get around to help you guys with condensing it. XP

I'm currently on the boundary, understanding both, though there probably won't be any major objections providing that the condensation is done satisfactorily/carefully/well, and allows for future expansion. If the condensation proceeds, I recommend that the format/layout is properly finalized first, and suggest redirecting rather than full deletion for several of the integrates. Inept Wiki User (talk) 15:16, September 9, 2015 (UTC)

Eh, what about guilds in the spin-offs that would fit this option? 05:48, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

List them on the page somewhere. We'll create a section for it and provide a brief, one to two sentence description of the guild. 05:48, September 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * Fair Enough, still with these spin-offs coming do you think the spin-off wiki option should be used if like say there are an added two spin-offs in the future (seeing as most of these are just side stories that wouldn't conflict with the plot. But what about the issue with the timeline, since BM starts after Oracion Seis (since Lisanna is no where to be seen), FG starts on the night of the banquet (and after fairy tail comes home to magnolia) and TTDoST is after Tartaros arc (as Minerva is there).07:53, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

Although most of us agree what to do, I still think we need a poll for how to do it. As far as I've read, there are several different options for how we can do this. Some say condense everything into one page, others say two, maybe three. As far as I am concerned, all of us have vouched for a different format. Basically, we must decide how many pages we need, what to include on the page/pages (characters, guilds, Magic), as well as how to design the page/pages (as in what article style to use). I think a poll is the best way to come to that decision fairly.

I think we need a fair idea of what the page is gonna look like before we go to a poll. I'd say everyone who's interested in contributing to the condensation all create a rough example in their sandbox. Once everyone is done we look at them all and discuss it. Cause right now, I have no idea how it's gonna look like or who exactly is gonna contribute to the condensation. If we are gonna condense everything it needs to be done properly.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 14:04, September 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * If you properly read what I wrote, I made it completely clear that that is one of the things we should decide on in the poll. That's what polls are for, you know. That said, having the experienced users make rough examples in their sandboxes is a good idea. That would certainly make it easier for others to vote, becasue they will have clear examples of how things will look like.
 * Yeah, I think that's what he meant. xP We make a bunch of proposals and then vote. I can try make one myself but, uhhh, idk when xD 14:38, September 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh ok, whatever then. >_> This whole project should take a while for us to work out properly, so I'd say take your time. XP

Proposals
So whenever people are ready, they can make a proposal of, just because it's arguably our most complete of the incomplete spin-offs, Fairy Tail Gaiden: The Twin Dragons of Sabertooth. Just put a link to your proposal (to a sandbox or something) under a sub-heading with your name on it. Then when enough people have proposals I guess we'll vote. .-. 21:12, September 13, 2015 (UTC)

Just to be assured, I think we should have the people interested in composing a proposal sign themselves up for the task. Just in case. Because right now, for all we know, no one is working on this. People are possibly just thinking; "fuck it, someone else will do it", because they believe that's the case. If we have people list themselves, we can rest assured that someone will eventually work to get these proposals done, one way or the other. If we don't, then who knows, maybe nothing will ever happen... >__< I know I may seem like a bit of a scrub with this, but such an incident happened on the One Piece wiki, where a trivial case was laid dead because of the way it was handled; and it was handled similar to this case. I know we're not the OP wiki, but I simply want to be assured this doesn't happen here.
 * ^^Bump.

I was hoping I wouldn't have to be one to come up with a proposal (cuz life; other wiki shit) but I guess I'll do it. .-. 08:02, September 19, 2015 (UTC)
 * Wrath taking extra responsibility. (Y)
 * Literally my job. 08:07, September 19, 2015 (UTC)
 * I feel bad for you sometimes. XP