Forum:Slowing Magic

Slowing Magic
So, it was just added to Zeref's M&A that he can use Slowing Magic, though I don't agree with this. The spell he used in Tartarus against those guards around Natsu to me seemed completely different to anything we have seen Slowing Magic achieve: the room turned black, people literally froze in mid-air, there was no "slowing", more like "freezing". In my eyes there should be a new spell made under the Black Arts section of his Magic; however, I'm open to other suggestions for what he did/what we should name it.

So, Slowing Magic or something different? What do you guys think?

07:35, April 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree. Better to use something new for it. Though I don't think freezing-magic or something similar would cut it. I think the whole thing with the frozen time, the negative colours and something like a body appearing were all part of a single elaborate spell. NoNickNeeded (talk) 07:39, April 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yep, I'm a little stumped as to what to call it as well. I mean, he kinda froze time, but it was all different, and yes, I think it was all part of one big spell. And even then, it's not Death or Living Magic, but I guess it comes under the Black Arts? XD Lol, I have no idea :P Maybe... Dark Suspension? ... .... or something? ^__^" 07:48, April 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Tbh it's like he created a void to talk to Natsu, or some alternate dimension. Kinda reminds me of what Zero did when he was fighting Natsu in the final part of OS arc. Except this one ends up super dark in appearance, more creepy, and people died :D. Should we call it like Black Arts Void? Okay lame name ( _ _) 07:52, April 16, 2014 (UTC)

I actually don't know if it's Slowing Magic. Celestial SPirit King paused the time to prevent Loke's glasses from falling (as stated here), so I though Zeref stopping time would be the same case. Sorry ^__^V 07:41,4/16/2014
 * Hmmmm... I think the CSK is marked incorrectly too. I mean, the whole point of Slowing Magic is that it's mental: the person's sense of time is fudged over... time doesn't actually stop. As such, I think only Racer should be labelled as using that Magic. CSK and Zeref should have something else. 07:48, April 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay then! I just put that ther eearlier cause of CSK. Well, since it's also incorrect, I agree that what Zeref and CSK do are not Slowing Magic :) 07:49,4/16/2014

I'm against slowing magic. When I think of slowing magic, I'm thinking of what Racer did/does. I agree it's like some sort of dark magic that seem to freeze people in a time-space void since the entire area turned black or grid-like *trying to sound like a professor in quantum physics and space time continuum*. But I've no idea what to name it though. D: 07:45, April 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * For the sake of naming, Darkness Halt sounds good and corny at the same time (in my opinion XD) 07:55,4/16/2014


 * I don't think "Darkness Halt" cuts it, since that would only refer to the freezing, but leave the rest of the spell alone. It's first and fore-most a communication spell. Same goes for void, since that would mean the absence or disappearance of something, but the spell does neither.
 * In my fanfict I let Zeref refer to his spell as "the Sending" due to lack of better ideas. Maybe squeeze a Dark in front for "Dark Sending"? Whatever name we come up with, I think we should make it sound like a transportation or communication technique. Preferably something that can mean both, since we are still not sure if Zeref teleported there, or just created projection with some added effects. NoNickNeeded (talk) 08:00, April 16, 2014 (UTC)

Time Manipulation? 08:46, April 16, 2014 (UTC)

It would seem they were in a different dimension or field, in a place where time runs so slowly you can't even notice or completely stopped. That's the only possibilities I can't think of. I doubt it's Zeref communicating in Natsu's mind since the sword he used got disintegrated in real life. Standstill? Blackout? Dark Render? Negative Field? Inverse Field? Inverse World? Gummy Bears?

I don't have any ideas for what we can name it but I do agree on the fact that what we saw was not Slowing Magic and should be classified as something else, either something new or something within the Black Arts. 09:34, April 16, 2014 (UTC)

WHat the CSK and Zeref are doing are different. Though I agree that what Zeref does was a spell of Black Arts. CSK, on the other hand, probably was just an effect from going from the CSWorld to Earthland, as 1 day in the CSW is 3 months in Earthland... 11:27,4/16/2014

I do believe its a different Magic than slowing Magic because Racer's Magic affected everyone inside his area of effect, while this Magic allows the user (CSK/Zeref) to stop time except for its target (Lucy/Natsu). It seems to me that this Magic allows the user to create a "pocket" in time if you know what I mean :P 12:13, April 16, 2014 (UTC)

How about call it Immobilization Magic? Completely stops the movement of objects... If anyone watched Charmed before... I'm using Piper as a reference. 16:26, April 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * Ooooh that's a good one ^_^ Charmed ftw x3 09:54, May 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * Funny how Charmed has almost the same number of episodes as the original anime. I wonder what the anime-only fans that watched Charmed felt when FT anime ended :/ And yes sounds good. But I have to say that "Suspension" does sound catchy and could look like a reference. -- 10:06, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

Kay bitches, let's move this along. There are a few votes that need to be decided, so make sure you leave a vote in every section...

Magic Name
First, we seem to all want Zeref to have a new Magic that is not Slowing Magic. We've had a few names thrown in here, so place a vote for what you want.

Dark Suspension

 * 1) There are many I don't mind here, but I still like my proposal for some reason~  14:41, May 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * 2) NoNickNeeded (talk) 22:23, May 6, 2014 (UTC)

Black Arts Void
I swear I don't suck with names >_>. Zeref uses black arts + it was a dimensional void so black arts + void = black arts void \( ^_^)/ 14:44, May 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * How was it a void? A void is a space with nothing in it. Everything that was in the affected area before the spell, was still there during the spell. Some of it was frozen and colour-inversed, but it was still all there, including oxigen for Natsu to breathe. NoNickNeeded (talk) 18:05, May 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * To me, I first thought of a void. -_- Don't need to get all technical about it .. seriously .. 02:27, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * It's hard to not get technical in a discussion about technicallities. I thought giving my reason for believing it's not a void would be better than just saying it wasn't one, waiting for the inevitable counter-question and only post my reasons then. NoNickNeeded (talk) 08:48, May 7, 2014 (UTC)

Dark Render

 * 1) Ironically, as much as I love my own suggestion, I'll go with Rem's cause it sounds cool  14:46, May 6, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry guys, but we only use descriptive names for unnamed Magics and spells. Dark Render does not do that job, therefore, this name is not suitable. Same with Inverse Field/World, Negative Field, Dark Sending and Blackout. 21:29, May 6, 2014 (UTC)

Immobilization Magic
This fits the best imo :/ The name of the magic should be something clear and descriptive, so as much as some of the other proposals sound cool, I don't think they should be used. 14:50, May 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * My plan was to put all the above under Black Arts rather than making a new Magic. Like, they are spells under Black Arts. 14:51, May 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. Got confused by 'Magic' in this subsection's title. Regardless, I still think this one fits well ;P 15:10, May 6, 2014 (UTC)

Most descriptive and that's we need to have for unnamed Magics. 16:43, May 6, 2014 (UTC)

Might as well move my vote here since Reli said the other one is invalid for a name.. 02:30, May 7, 2014 (UTC)

07:38,5/7/2014
 * Name has nothing to do with it being a Black Art or not.

Breaking this tie. 22:50, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

Lols, a lot of options (freakin' Rem!) but pick one. If you wanna, add another option and what not.

Secondly, we have to decide what to do with the CS King's page, as he also has Slowing Magic listed. Leave another vote here:


 * I hope this isn't an inappropriate place to this comment.
 * I just thought it over some more and I'm starting to question whether the CS King even manipulated time in the first place.
 * The only thing we saw suspended were Loke's glasses (and even that is anime exclusive). The water didn't just stop, but rather fountained up in defiance of gravity. Considering what he did with the water, couldn't he have been manipulating gravity rather than time?
 * Manipulating time would give no expanation how he could bring the water up above the falls, but with gravity he could do that and hover the glasses in mid-air. NoNickNeeded (talk) 08:39, May 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * Woah didn't realize this. To be honest, in my opinion, this actually makes sense. Time may not be the one controlled but gravity... at first I thought it's just an effect caused by crossing the gates of the HumanW and the CelestialW, but that's spec. I have to agree with this... 12:05,5/7/2014

Remove Slowing Magic from his page and replace with Time Manpulation

 * 1) He doesn't even have that much written there and we don't even know if it's a Magic he uses or something else, so screw new Magic names and stuff, let's just put "Time Manipulation" and move on.  14:41, May 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * 2) Totally transposing the trumpet melody for Eleanor Rigby for my bari sax. :D  02:07, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * 3) Please.


 * Woah, you play a bari Wrath? :D I used to play an alto ^__^ Have fun... I always found transpos really hard to do T^T I'm sure it'll sound great though ;D 02:11, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yuh, I've played the saxophone for years now (started on alto, went to tenor then acquired bari), but I find transposing really easy, just time consuming. :/ Good thing one of my instructors showed me this for something a bit more legible than my hand-writen staff paper scribbles, and with a way to let me hear what I put in too. ;D 02:14, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. I started up in highschool but there were so many alto players (because no-one was skilled enough as beginners to move to bari/tenor) and the teachers were just... weird .-. So I didn't keep it up. Plus, I have limited knowledge of how to sight read, so I only play music just to enjoy it, not really to improve myself :/ Site looks cool :) When my friends and I did our musical one of them had to transpose/rewrite all of the songs for our small band of mixed instruments and I think she used something similar because her handwriting sucks XD 02:28, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * I just love The Beatles soooo much, and although the bass lines are pretty cool and add to what makes the songs so great, I want to play the cooler, melodic parts! \( ^__^)/ So I "borrowed" an original trumpet, trombone, bass and bari sax copy of this particular medley and am working on it so I can feel the joy. \(.___. )/ Too bad I need premium membership on this website to access the bari sax so I can hear how it would really sound. XD So gonna stick with Alto for now ._./ 02:39, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * Sounds neat :D You do remind me of my friend with all of the instruments you play :P And hmmm... Well, alto always sounds cool to me. Tbh, I'm not as much of a fan of bari and tenor :/ But then again, I don't listen to a lot of music that uses them, so maybe I just haven't got much to appreciate :) Though, just in anime Guns and Roses from Baccano will always be one of my all-time favourite jazz numbers. So awesome * ^ * 02:48, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * I just have an appreciation for the sinister, and the dark tone and seriousness that the bari can add to music in the concert setting, as well as the way it sounds when you put your soul into in jazz is just amazing to me. :D Always has been, always will be my favorite instrument.;D ...My favorite jazz number in general. ^_^/ 02:59, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * I see, I see~ And it's a nice song <3 He hits all of the higher notes very well :) 03:15, May 7, 2014 (UTC)

Remove Slowing Magic from his page and replace with a new Magic

 * 1) Seems to be the same Magic as Zeref used so I think that's what should be used.  16:44, May 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * 2) Actually... Natsu saw the soldiers freeze midair the same way that Natsu and Lucy saw the water and glasses freeze, so I think I'll side with Reli after all  18:14, May 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * 3) I disagree. When Zeref used his Magic everything went into the negative, certain people in the area stopped moving and were incapacitated, hence why I'm voting for a spell name to be put under Black Arts above, as I feel it was a Black Arts spell. For the CS King, time just froze around Lucy and Loke, but the water still moved and all that shiz. And, again, though I hate to bring up confusing crap, the freezing happened as soon as the CS King appeared. We don't know if he cast a spell of if it's some sort of thing he has on him to stop time because he's the top Spirit or if he has some sort of other ability. As such, stating that a CS Spirit and Zeref are using the same Magic when they look very different and one was never even seen casting anything is a bit of a stretch in my eyes.  02:00, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * 4) Because it's not like I have anything better to do with my life right now. ( .____.)  02:07, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * 5) This is my reason: I pretty much think that we should call the Magic the CSK used as Immobilization Magic, and what Zeref used as something else. The CSK immobilized everything except for Lucy and Loke in a normal way, whilst Zeref immobilized the soldiers in a dark? way. So I pretty much think that Immobilization is the right way to call it and Zeref should have something else, a spell under Black Arts. 07:37,5/7/2014

Removed Votes
Let's just finish this 14:50, May 6, 2014 (UTC)

I can live with this one. NoNickNeeded (talk) 18:00, May 6, 2014 (UTC)

removed for the time being: Slowing Magic slows down the "victim" and thus any object or being outside the area of effect seems to move incredibly fast. The CSK's magic on the other hand is either doing the exact opposite or affecting time itself, since Lucy and Loke saw the glasses stop in mid-air. NoNickNeeded (talk) 17:59, May 6, 2014 (UTC)