Forum:Tabs

Okay, so I've been mulling this idea over for a long time, and since certain pages have started to get unbelievably long, I feel it's time we finally had a discussion about.... tabs. Tabs, I find, are much like abortion. People are usually either for them or hate them with every fiber of their being. But I'm starting to think we'll need them for our longer pages. But, before I get into why I believe so, and my stance on them, I'd like to have a discussion about what everyone thinks about tabs, why they think so, and whether or not you find them harmful or beneficial. This is not a vote. So I will literally choke the first person I see use a Support/Oppose/Neutral template. Just tell me what you think about the idea. Also, I'm not going to put an edit limit on this discussion because I don't like doing jerky things like that for discussions because I feel everyone should be free to, at the very least, express their opinions. But, comments like "I like tabs!" are not really welcome here. >_> Simply because saying that you like tabs without any explanation as to why doesn't help at all. Also, everyone remember to keep this discussion civil please. Whether this discussion leads to anything is largely dependent upon what we discuss here. 00:57,8/17/2013

I'm not fazed by them. But honestly; the ParentTab template looks like shit. Make some decent ones with hover effects. :3 01:01, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

If the tabs are stylized and centered, I see no reason why we shouldn't have them. However, if we're talking about the Parent Tabs (which are fucking ugly), then there is no way I would enjoy, nor support, seeing those printed on the pages of our wiki. 01:07, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

Honestly, I hate tabs. They look like shit and only cause a ton of confusion to editors and readers. When we tabbed Ichigo's page on Bleach wiki, I got 50+ questions a day asking where different parts of his page went. In my opinion, pages are meant to be long. Wikipedia doesn't use tabs on any of their pages and Wikipedia looks nice. Then you look at OP wiki and their pages look like shit because the info doesn't flow and there are those giant disruptive tabs there. I'd support text reductions rather than tabs--

@ Fallen and Wrath -___- Stylization is literally our wiki's specialty. In fact, we have an official wiki team dedicated to doing just that. I can assure you making the tabs look good isn't a problem by any means. This discussion is more to see what everyone thinks about tabs in general functionality and all that jazz. :P 01:11,8/17/2013

@Rai You don't say? I was a part of said team, whore. -__- 01:14, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

*Waits to be choked* Can't touch this, bitch! ಠ_ಠ Nah, jk.

I think the idea sounds decent, but at the same time I can't bring myself to picture how the pages will look, or if it will become easier or harder to navigate around the article. Would it be possible for you to create a sample page even though this is just to hear us out? (Don't send me to the OP wiki!) Also, would they be used on every page? Or just the long ones; mainly main characters I suppose, if it's the latter. One other little concern is the appearance of the tabs. I myself got rid of the "Parent Tab" on my profile due to their looks. But reading above I guess the DoD would handle that. 01:15, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

@Flipsy, Our pages are a bit different than Wikipedia's though. For one, we have the Oasis skin which means that our pages get a lot longer with a lot less information. In addition, we use a lot of pictures and animated gifs. Those combined with the length of some pages can make articles hard to load. And length of loading aside, it can be a bit unattractive as well per Lucy's article. @Mega Yeah, I could post an example of what it could possibly look like. And it would only be for main characters with long pages (Natsu, Lucy, Erza, Gray, etc.). As far as appearance goes, yeah, DOD could prettify it without much trouble at all. 01:24,8/17/2013


 * Solution to that, we put up a big notice on the main page saying "This wiki is designed for Monobook. If you want to see the site properly, please use the Monobook skin." :D--
 * Monobook sucks though. 01:29, August 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * What Fallen said. 01:30, August 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, great minds do think alike. ಠ◡ಠ 01:31, August 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * That's definitely a possibility. But I think a big notice saying "Fuck Monobook and all the weirdos who use it" would be so much better. :) 01:32,8/17/2013
 * If you ever want to get into Glass' pants, you need to learn to love Monobook. Don't be jealous just because you don't know how to skin it--

(Reset Indent) I see what you did there, God. ಠ_ರೃ 01:40, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately, Glass is wearing a permanent chastity belt as far as I'm concerned. >_> And silence whore! Monobook 'tis not for hipsters such as myself. ;P 01:43,8/17/2013

Pfft. Rai? A hipster? XDD

I had to express my disdain in a way that lacked the risk of being choked. =D 02:06, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

Get back to swimming Wrath.
 * All done. =D 02:12, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

i think that tabs would be a good thing for some of the long pages on this wiki and since we have the DoD team to make sure they look good that takes care of the main problem of them looking bad. As for flipsy's concern about them causing confusing, im not really sure that its gonna be a problem i mean its really simple and easy to navigate (and btw the OP wiki's pages dont look like shit, theyre fine). so ya to recap i would be in Support(i didnt use the template rai, keep your skirt on) of this because I like tabs!(ಠ◡ಠ u mad bro?)-- 02:14, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

I'd rather have tabber than tabs.

Lemme just say that the Bleach wiki's tab system looks horrible, I hate just looking at it, much less actually use it. In the other hand, I actually like them in the OP wiki but that's just because I never have to see the long synopsis for each Straw Hat. The only real problem with the length of the pages is the synopsis, which is extremely long for Natsu, Lucy, Erza and Gray (and maybe even Happy) but I would really hate to have just one tab leading to the synopsis and I would also hate to have to use tabs just because of the synopis, so I'd much rather use tabber, like Munchy suggested 04:30, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

Few things. Firstly, the synopsis and the Appearances in Other Media are both problems, and if we did tabs, we would not have one tab leading to synopsis. There would be several tabbed items including things like "Appearance in Other Media, Relationships, etc." And frankly, with all the other stuff removed, Synopsis would likely be able to stay on the main page. Secondly, as far as tabbers go, that is probably the worst possible solution for the pages. At the very most, we'll have many 5-6 tabs, but there are 16 story arcs each with long names, so, if we used tabbers, instead of five tabs at the top of the page, we'd have 16 tabbers (plus all the new arcs that will happen) in the middle of the page and 32 tabbers at the bottom of her page for the Appearances in Other Media section. And since there are a lot of tabs the names of the tabbers will have to be long and they will have to stack on top of each other which will look incredibly unattractive. And to top it all off, tabbers won't contribute to speeding up the speed in which the articles load. Tabbers are in no way a good idea. 05:23,8/17/2013

Then I wont suggest anymore.


 * I thought we had a talk about being sensitive? 05:28,8/17/2013
 * We did? I don't remember.
 * Really? -___- Well, I believe I said something on the lines of "stop being so sensitive." 05:37,8/17/2013
 * I have every right to do so, isn't it?
 * It depends on the situation. But you really have to understand that everything that is said is not something that is meant to be taken personally. >_> But, we'll have this discussion elsewhere. This isn't the time or place. 06:39,8/17/2013
 * Oh no, I am not taking this personally at all, I just said that I wont suggest anymore, and you brought that up. O_o I'll just go with whatever the community decides on, so.. Yeah.
 * O, then this is awkward. >_> 06:48,8/17/2013
 * You brought this on yourself.

While I agree that the tabs would look really ugly, I also agree that some pages are so long, it's hard to navigate through it and is being a nuisance. I would like to see some tabs created and see how the layout would look before we make anything official. 05:44, August 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * This discussion isn't to officialize anything. It's to gauge people's reactions to tabs and see if there are any legitimate benefits for getting tabs/reasons to not get them. I do plan on making an example page, though, the example page will be using the parent tabs since we haven't crated any new tabs yet. 05:53,8/17/2013
 * Silly Rai, you didn't gauge me hard enough. ;) Alright well if that's the case, then ultimately, Tabs would look ugly unless they are created and stylized very well to suit the article's wiki and its theme. It seems we have long pages now too so... [same answer as previous before Rai accused me of not gauging hard enough *blush*]. 06:04, August 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * But Nei-Chan, you are incredibly complicated and always hard to gauge. :D 06:08,8/17/2013
 * And don't you forget it. ;) 06:51, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

I'm all for the tabs on the longest of pages. With byte counts in the hundreds of thousands, pages load slowly in both the editor as well as visually. Since we'd obviously have the DOD design nice-looking tabs to suit the wiki's style, we wouldn't really have an appearance problem. If we deem it necessary, I can't see the drawbacks outweighing the benefits.

I'm either way with this. Whilst I do believe some of the pages are getting waaaaay too long, if we do introduce tabs they will have to be well done. Personally, I'm more for a tabber, but as Jak said, that could be messy due to the amount of arcs :/ Maybe we could have 2? Like, a pre-timeskip arc one and post-timeskip arc one? :/ I dunno... I'm just a little hesitant to move synopsis to separate pages entirely ( .__.) Whatever though, I guess we can get into a deeper discussion later on~ 08:06, August 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * I like the idea of havin' the tabs but not the parent template tab(the design totally sucks).--