Talk:Wall Eehto

Name
I'm just going to say that the name is most likely German-based, and will likely be changed to something closer to Waal Icht, given the name from the spoiler (ワール・イーヒト, Wāru Īhito). (Please do not forget the "Purehito" (プレヒト) incident.)

Though I can see why that panda site translated his name as "Badd Mann". :3 14:27, September 14, 2015 (UTC)

If the name is in fact German-based, then it should probably go as Wahl Icht. :P


 * I think it's supposed to be a pun on the word "bad man" (warui hito). Immblueversion (talk) 14:40, September 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh clever. :O
 * I vote for Batman 14:42, September 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * I like Wahl more than Waal. Wahru, like Aguria and Purehito, is just Japanese sound of his name so I guess it shouldn't be Wahru, it is cringy. So I'm supporting Wahl Icht.

Klainatta (talk) 15:12, September 14, 2015 (UTC)

It might be wahl like dude said above, remember the name marin told brandish in chapter 443? Ncduru (talk) 15:29, September 14, 2015 (UTC)

Name reference
In the MangaStream version of this chapter, there is a (*) right next to "Wahru Ihyto's " name when he was introduced. It usually means something or referred to something, can someone elaborate please?--CNBA3 (talk) 15:39, September 14, 2015 (UTC)

They left it out for some reason but his name is supposed to be a pun, with his name meaning "Bad Man" --Ncduru (talk) 18:16, September 14, 2015 (UTC)

Looks like they updated that page 17:36, September 15, 2015 (UTC)

Name Voting
Like what Chaos said the last name will probably be closer to "Pre(cht)" than "Pureh(ito)" as you can tell the similar way you can say his last name.. so the last 3 options for his last name is Chaos's translation. Might as well knock it out now


 * Wahru Ihyto
 * 1) I think this is the most correct name if considering the pun, "bad man". Also, I like this better; it sounds smoother and I love the way it rolls of the tounge. Therefore, I am in the favor of this one.
 * 2) Meh, I feel like all the proposals kill the joke that was present in the Japanese version. Plus, I don't pronounce Waal Icht as Waru Ihito. I pronounce it as Wall Itch. >_> 15:26,9/16/2015
 * Waal Icht
 * Wahl Icht
 * 1) don't know German but I'll take DM's word for it, I'm cool this one or Wahrl Ncduru (talk) 17:58, September 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * 2) In German, letter "h" after the vowel marks a long vowel so, if the origins are German, this would make more sense than any other proposals to me. :P
 * 3) Thought his name was supposed to Wahl from the start. ( ._.) And if it's pronounced as 'Vahl Icht' that will be brilliant ( ^_^)  18:10, September 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * 4) This sounds better. Klainatta (talk) 20:33, September 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * 5) Wahl or Wahrl. Pretty impartial honestly.  21:32, September 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * 6) The Mangapanda version of Chapter 452 calls him "Baad Maan". That is kinda off of my league. ._. 22:25,9/14/2015
 * 7) Cool~  00:39, September 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * 8) We can always change it if the official translation comes out.  Lumin the Lord of Light  00:48, September 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * 10:48, September 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * 1)  14:05, September 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * Wahrl Icht

Also, the word "Wahl" means "choice" in German which isn't of any significance right now, but at least has some meaning behind it. Just saying. ;P
 * Notes

I support the proposal and I don't mean to cause any problems, but why are we voting on this now? Shouldn't we at least wait until the raw and official translations are out. For all we know the kanji from the spoilers may be wrong (the kanji for magic king was wrong in the spoiler for this week's chapter).--DuelMaster93 (talk) 03:44, September 15, 2015 (UTC)

Crunchy went with Wall Eehto, if anyone's interested~ 05:51, September 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh nice. Should a new vote be started then? Or should there be any debate about this name in the first place? :o

fake vs real
we must create two separate pages about the real form or we use this?

--Nitram86 (talk) 14:39, November 9, 2015 (UTC)

Quote
"In other words, our target is the body of your former lover. If this is to become some deeply sinful act..."
 * Current

- Fake Wahl Icht

"I am the elite Machias, Master Wahl! Never underestimate me!"
 * Proposal

- Real Wahl Icht

I'm pretty sure this is a no-brainer, but whatever. 22:21, November 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * Support
 * 1)  22:21, November 19, 2015 (UTC)
 * 2)  01:08, November 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * 04:07, November 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * 04:17,11/20/2015
 * 1) This shouldn't even be discussed because the current shouldn't even be a quote at all .-.  06:26, November 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * 2) --  The Talk Goblin  06:48, November 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * 3)  19:15, November 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * 4)  19:39, November 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * 5) Not sure what the current quote should say about him. .-.
 * Oppose
 * 1)  19:39, November 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * 2) Not sure what the current quote should say about him. .-.
 * Oppose


 * Neutral


 * Comments

Machina Senses I think
So you guys know how he like used his robotic vision (I guess) to see off the far distance and locate, target and lock on to some fodders and Beth and shot some missiles, should we add that to his Magic and Abilities section?71.50.115.253 23:07, February 7, 2016 (UTC)

Alchemy
Should we put Alchemy as his magic also considering that's what he's known to be doing in that chapter by use it to fuse both copper and zinc into some bullets, and changing his personality mode such as the Assault Mode?Starpower98 (talk) 17:34, February 8, 2016 (UTC)
 * Nobody won't answer?:(Starpower98 (talk) 17:53, February 8, 2016 (UTC)

You only posted this for 20 mins, so just be patient and wait, someone will answer.
 * Well what do you think?Starpower98 (talk) 17:56, February 8, 2016 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I agree. Anyway, this way it's quicker: 1. Changing his personality, as well as the fact he is able to analyze the opponent, are hinted to be abilities granted by his Machias body, not Weakness or Alchemy. His transformation however may be Alchemy, but it's not clear. 2. It's clear that neither the bullets, nor the cannon or the missiles are created using Weakness. 3. The composite bullets, "defense arm" (used to stop Laxus's attack) and "offensive arm" (used to attack Laxus) need to be added to his abilities (just a reminder for when the discussion is over, since God Serena's Immense Durability is still missing). --Martialmaniac (talk) 16:45, February 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * 1. Well according to what I searched about Alchemy, it does mentioned something about a seemingly magical process of transformation, creation, or combination.
 * 2. Yeah I know that part. And come to think of it what if Weakness is just the proxy he created ability and not really his primary magic which during his fight with Laxus, he's shown to be more of an alchemist? It doesn't make sense for what he's shown to be stated as weakness like you said including that canon.
 * 3. Well the defense and offensive arm is sort of added to his Machia Physiology ability, but not the bullets and missiles which should be mentioned as well.71.50.115.253 05:21, February 11, 2016 (UTC)


 * 1. It's a series about magic. His magic utilizes alchemy. It's not difficult to figure out.


 * 2. That's massive speculation. We go by what we see and are told. We see glyphs associated with Weakness used by the proxy, who by definition is an extension of Wahl. Wahl uses his magic, creates same glyphs upon use, creates machinery and whatnot as well. It's Weakness. You can't apply your own thoughts when there is no proof in-story to back itup.


 * 3. The bullets and missiles should be added to his magic's description, not the description of the Machias race. Wahl is doing this with Weakness. It's not an innate ability. He is a unique Machias that can use magic. 05:24, February 11, 2016 (UTC)

I completely disagree about this not being Weakness. Why does it have to be two different things? When Wahl creates these bits of machinery, bullets, missiles, whatever else, the glyphs that appear are exactly the same as when Weakness is used. Why is this? It's that he's doing the same thing: creating machinery/weaponry. Weakness utilizes alchemic process to create his devices; it's not something completely different.

I can see the argument being, "Well, the devices covered don't extort any sort of weakness," and here is why that potential argument is false. When one creates a missile, the goal is extort the enemy's weak defense and blow them up. When one creates 9mm bullets, the goal is to kill them by ripping through their flesh. The Material Cannon? Wahl himself was at a disadvantage, so he compensated for his own weakness by creating something capable of matching the 400km gap.

Tl;dr: Weakness is an alchemic magic. Alchemy is not its own thing. He's doing the same shit over and over again. 21:14, February 10, 2016 (UTC)

Machias Physiology
Considering how Wahl manage to transform his arms into appropriate battle form capable of matching Laxus' lighting-empowered fists augmented with his already formidable strength of a Shield of Spriggan and how he analyzes opponents of their flaws and weaknesses with his eyes like a HUD-targeting system of sorts in his line of sight, can this be sorted out as "Machias Physiology" in the Magic and Abilities section just like the Demon Physiology of the Etherious found in pages of the 8 Nine Demon Gate members of Tartaros? --Bato of the Heavy Iron Rock Hammer (talk) 07:21, February 9, 2016 (UTC)