Talk:Fairy Tail Gaiden: Rhodonite

Format exporting
Anyone thing it'd be a good idea to export this format to blue mistral, most of the chapter pages are empty. 128.138.57.78 22:42, January 18, 2016 (UTC)

Name and Page
Just to solve the Logo issue for Rhodonite.


 * Support
 * 1) This is the closest we have for a logo for this spin-off, I would have found a raw version of the logo but I can't seem to find one.09:10, March 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * 2) Yeah, the names need sorted out, but in the mean time :P  15:48, March 28, 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose
 * 1) Besides, we still need to deal with the names...  09:15, March 28, 2016 (UTC)


 * Neutral
 * 1) Never read this so whatever you guys want XD
 * 2) What DM said.   10:10, March 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * 3) ^^w/e.

Before talking about the logo shouldn't there be a discussion of the Fairy Tail Gaiden thing first cause Chapter 17 of Rhodonite actually has the number 32 in place of it. 09:27,3/28/2016
 * Discussion

I'd say neither. We should just ask Reli to work his magic with this. It's pretty much the only image with the official logo in colour. Reason I didn't say anything before, is cause I was hoping that at some stage we may get a higher resolution image (and Reli is rather inactive nowadays), but that doesn't look like happening. For now we'll stick to the current one. As for the whole Fairy Tail Gaiden thing, they are technically the same series, but for organisation purposes it's better to treat them as two separate series. It would be too messy putting it all on one page. Also, on the official app they are listed as two separate series with their own numbering. But that's enough of that for now.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 09:55, March 28, 2016 (UTC) It would get messy for combining both gaiden series together, plus both series have (at the moment) two arcs each.10:12, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Never said we should combine them. Maybe something like a page to link them together. 10:47,3/28/2016

I was thinking we should make a page just called Fairy Tail Gaiden, which with links to both Twin Dragons of Sabertooth and Rhodonite, but that's not a priority right now.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 11:01, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Also, the name should be Road Knight ( ._.) 11:10, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

I'm with Duel on this... this should be talked about on a forum or FT Gaiden's talk page, can't vote for the prop cause it's not the raw, yet at least and it should be Road Knight 11:54, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Doesn't Rhodonite make more sense?12:02, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

No 12:06, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

FAIRY TAIL外伝 ロードナイト Fearī Teiru Gaiden: Rōdo Naito... the actual romaji/kanji so it's Road Knight 12:07, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Eh, makes sense. 12:11, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Rōdo Naito (ロードナイト) could mean Road Knight, Road Night, Lord Knight, Lord Night or Rhodonite. Also, there is no official english title atm. Although Road Knight seems like the most likely title at the moment, but there's still some doubt, mainly due to this (which is obviously referring to the real life stone rhodonite). I think it's best that we don't change the name until we have an official english title (from Kodansha USA, when they license it). But that's enough about that for now. Let's just close this vote, and I'll ask Reli to clean the image I linked earlier tomorrow. If anyone really wants to continue the conversations on the road knight/rhodonite name and gaiden as a whole, then I suggest you open up a new discussion on the series talk page or the forums.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 12:48, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

There needs to be one more to oppose or support for the prop for this voting to be done.13:55, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

I'll get on it 15:39, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Reli. Just do it when you can. As for the voting, let's just close this. Neither image is suitable and will be replaced anyway.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 16:14, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Done 16:36, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

thanks reli, can admin close this? 16:43, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

No, here's the thing. There's no "for organization purposes it's better." They are the same series, they get merged. This is the bottom line. One is Twin Dragons of Sabertooth, one is Rhodonite, but they are both Fairy Tail Gaiden. Same author, same series, they follow the numbering. Merge them and make a logo that takes out Twin Dragons and Rhodonite, call it even, merge, delete, and move on with our day. 20:10, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Discussion moved; please continue the debate about Rhodonite's name and the page merging here. 21:04, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

If you think of it as a whole, they shouldn't be merged since they have distinct stories focusing on one group at a time. Plus TDoST takes place a little after the Tartaros arc, while Rhodonite is sometime after the grand magic games and inbetween tartaros and avatar.05:15, March 29, 2016 (UTC)

I agree with Animaltamer, they are two distinct stories, completely unrelated to each other. They both take place at different points in time and no references are made between the two. From an in-universe perspective, there is nothing directly connecting the two. As stated before, the app categorizes them as two separate series with their own numbering. Even Kodansha USA, who just licensed Twin Dragons of Sabertooth, treats it as it's own series. IMO, you should think of Fairy Tail Gaiden as a meta-series, and Twin Dragons of Sabertooth and Rhodonite are sub-series within that meta-series. It would just be wrong to list Crunch and Mash together as protagonist, and Gajeel and Sabertooth together as protagonist. Also, each series has their own separate logos. There is no logo for Gaiden as a whole. And I'm against us just making our own logo, cause that means we'll be picking and choosing between the two (they're both different colours, so which would be choose?). There would be serious issues if they were to be merged. A page that links the two series would be ok, but just straight up merging the two would be problematic. Perhaps maybe even a tabbed page could work.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 10:46, March 29, 2016 (UTC)

I'm down with Duel's idea of a tabbed page, like how Pegasus Village is tabbed as a link on the Blue Pegasus guild's page? Think that's literally the best option cause we have no main logo to use for both gaidens 11:22, March 29, 2016 (UTC)

A tabbed that connects both series is alright with me. 14:38, March 29, 2016 (UTC)

if we're supporting I Animal's and Duel's Idea... best and only option 18:05, March 29, 2016 (UTC)

Okay just to make this discussion move again lets vote.

Tabbed Pages
Keeping the pages separate with tabs linking the pages.
 * 1) Just to get this discussion over with.12:09, April 12, 2016 (UTC)
 * 2)  12:50, April 12, 2016 (UTC)
 * 3)  21:26, April 12, 2016 (UTC)
 * 4) Just a heads up for those who don't know; a new gaiden spin-off should be released next week. Also, when the discussion is closed don't delete the pages, as we'll use for re-directs.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 09:33, April 13, 2016 (UTC)

Merge
merging the three articles together.

More Stupid Bullshit
Sorry, call me a douchebag, but I'm re-opening this discussion for myriad reasons, one of which is that 4 people saying yes to such a big change isn't enough. According to Amazon, this is Fairy Tail Gaiden, Volume 2. The series is Fairy Tail Gaiden. The arc is Rhodonite. Just like how before, the arc is Twin Dragons of Sabertooth. So...what? It's a different gaiden, so new page? I'm not getting this. It's the same series and fuck whatever else? It doesn't matter when they take place, or if they don't take place at the same time. Same series, same page. I'm not getting what is complicated. You just make sub-sections for characters from the Sabertooth arc and characters from the Rhodonite arc, and the same with magics, and terms, and blah blah blah. It's not rocket science, and the damn volume itself reflects this, so does the chapter numbering, and more. You should've gotten the hint when it was Gaiden volume 1 way back when. Separating it makes no sense. If anything, just use the switch template for the logos. Jeez, it's not our place to completely disregard stuff and just rearrange what we see fit to make it "easier for ourselves" when what is easy and what is correct are not necessarily the same thing. 23:01, April 28, 2016 (UTC)

So, just created the page and the tab (was already working on it before Wrath posted and didn't look at the wiki activity until after I made all my edits). Anyway, as stated before, they are two distinct series with their own stories, completely unrelated to each other. On the official Magazine Pocket app, in which the series are serialized, they are listed as two separate series with their own numbering. Kodansha USA even licensed the series separately, and is treating them as one-volume series. Also, a lot of people don't know that the two series are technically the same series, and would be confused if they see gaiden on the header, and can't find Twin Dragons of Sabertooth and Rhodonite. As for the logo, there is no default series, so which one would we use as the default logo? I ended up just using a gif instead (cause I didn't know how to put a slideshow into that template without making it look messy). The fact that they even have their own separate logos in the first place should tell you they are two separate series, even if the volumes number them as the same series. Fairy Tail Gaiden is a meta-series, Twin Dragons of Sabertooth and Rhodonite are sub-series, so it only makes sense to use tabs. And honestly, I don't see the problem in using tabs, it doesn't always have to be one way or another, and in my opinion tabs are a good compromise on both ends. Even the light novels share the same numbering and author, should we merge all those into a single page too? Should we combine the portable guild video games into a single page too? Should we just put all the ice-make spells on a single page too? How bout the star dresses (as they are all technically one spell)? Obviously the answer to all those is no, but the point is that there are more than enough reasons to at least give them their own tabs. By creating tabs we adknowldge that they are all fall under the same meta-series, but also adknowledge that they are all their own distinct sub-series. In this case, all the volume numbering only means that it's the author's next spin-off. If the official app and Kodansha USA see fit to separate them, then I don't see a problem with the wiki separating them either.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 01:56, April 29, 2016 (UTC)

I'm with whatever y'all are with, the tabbed page Duel made I see no problems with it. Looks clean 04:55, April 29, 2016 (UTC)