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Hello, everyone. This forum was opened at the request of. (Don't try to deny it! We all know the truth!) It's to determine whether or not LUT will remain a team or not. Right now this forum is not a voting space, it's just a discussion. We are all going to come here and tell why we either want to keep LUT or close it. After everyone finishes, and we get a general idea of what the most popular ideas for the fate of the team are, I'll open up a voting at the bottom of the page with those options and that'll be that. Anyone can participate in the discussion portion, but the voting portion will have a few restrictions. 23:33,7/12/2013

No. I don't see a real reason of why it should close other than having people hug the jobs but not doing them which can eaily be solved by having people not hug them in the first place. Like someone said, the members should sign up for a job, do it, then sign up for another one instead of signing for a bunch at a time. 23:58, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, so this may be a little long but here are my thoughts. The LUT was started in a time when there was a lack of active editors who would update the pages. I don't think that is a problem any longer. We have many great editors around the site who would happily update all of the necessary pages without earning jewels for doing so. While there apparently is no written rule that only the LUT can update pages, it is basically an unwritten rule. Many times I have seen members of the team tell people to leave it to them to update pages. This is only slowing the process down. I know back when I was on Bleach wiki, as soon as the chapter was out, all of the editors got to updating the wiki and if there was overlap and edit conflicts, all that would be done is to check over it quickly and make sure its good and then move on. We didn't have a team that did it, we just knew it had to be done and did so. In doing this, the entire wiki was updated within a few hours of the chapter coming out. The team on this wiki is called the "Lightning" Update Tribe but it does not live up to its name. Last week, the team failed to even have everything updated by the time the next set of chapters came out. I realize 3 chapters is alot, but it should not take more than 3 days to do these updates. Yesterday, I was able to do 5 pages that had not been updated in 20 minutes. If the LUT were done away with and everyone were free to just go and update the pages, then I feel the wiki would be up to date much faster than if the team stuck around. User:KuroAshi98, a friend from my days on Bleach wiki, shares my sentiments and proved the problems with the LUT when he was able to do Happy's 341 summary before Umnei could. Why wait for the LUT when we have many editors who can get to it before the LUT members? If the LUT were done away with, myself, Kuro and many others would likely have the wiki updated by the end of the day if not sooner. I was also recently appalled at a member of the team's attitude, when they expressed that the team is some sort of team of elite editors who are picked because they are the only ones capable of doing things properly. I think non members are just as capable of updating the pages as anyone else. If a bad edit is made, it can simply be redone or fixed. I don't see any need for a small, exclusive team of editors tasked with updating the wiki when we can just leave it open and those people as well as anyone else will see to it the wiki is updated. Members of the team have expressed discontent with the way things are now, saying that they rush through the chapter so they can make the list and get the characters they want so they can get alot of jewels. I have also noticed that the LUT only focuses on characters, often forgetting about any magic pages that need to be updated. The other week, Last Ages sat for days with an outdated description and was not t my knowledge listed as needing to be updated due to new information. While proposing the idea, myself and Misk came up with a good compromise. The LUT is re purposed to merely a list of all the pages that need updating. Anyone is free to come in and claim a job, but you can only claim one at a time and once you claim the job, you need to go and immediately do it. The only reason jobs are claimed is to try and prevent edit conflicts. If you haven't finished your job after say, 1 hour, your name comes off and its free for anyone to go update. In essence, we just have a list of pages that anyone can update, just let people know what you plan on doing so you don't get an edit conflict.--
 * I see that your only point is that members of the LUT tell others not to do it, which is a problem with those certain members, not with the team itself. The way to fix it is by having those certain members stop. No need to destroy the team because of it. Oh and also, about edit conflicts, they are bound to happen anyway. just copy what you wrote and paste it where it is needed 00:08, July 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * No my main point is that the Lightning Update tribe is slow as all hell and delays the updating process. Get rid of the LUT and the wiki gets updated 10x faster.--
 * No one is stopping anyone from updating the wiki. Those users that yo say can do it in a couple of hours should just go ahead and do it. You don't need the team to be gone to be able to do it. 00:13, July 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * If I go and update all the pages, all the members of the team will complain I took their jobs and complain they lost jewels thanks to me, and then I don't earn jewels for doing their job just as well as them and doing it faster than them. Then my edits will be erased and redone by the person who claimed the job just so they can say they did the job and get the jewels. The system needs a total rework as it is no longer efficient and not working.--
 * The idea of having LUT make a list and all that is actually a really good idea, if it gets the job done quicker then where is the problem? 07:20, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

Let me get this clear: I will speak up not for the fate of the LUT to be kept as a team of not, but for me to speak at my own side. I may get grudges later, but meh, as much as I openly admit my SM fetishes yesterday, which is a very big shame, I'll speak up to this one as well.

While I really don't have a problem with the members of LUT updating the pages, I have problems with the LUT itself. What do I mean? Okay, I will try to break it down on comprehensive details as much as possible, and hopefully, it'll be properly expressed:
 * Because it is their job, no one is allowed to touch it, and if someone does, either they will remove it entirely and replace their own, or like God said, they would complain big time. Even if you say that you'd complain as a joke, still, complain is a complain. Not that I cannot handle a joke, but still, if I were to be told like that, of course, I'd feel bad, since I'll have the feeling that I stole their work and their jewels and all.
 * Even though it has been said that no one is prevented to edit the chapters, LUT gives off a vibe that as long as they're around, all we have to do is to sit back, relax and wait for them to update everything. I really don't know how to explain that "vibe", but that's how I feel. Like, every time a new chapter is out, we have to back off since it's their time to shine.
 * It discourages editors. I mean, one would think:

Choko: I will update the chapters! Haru: Silly! Leave it to LUT! Choko: But I can ensure that I have the correct information and references as well. D: Haru: But you're not a member of LUT, bitch. Choko: Oh.. Okay.. ( ._.)

I think that LUT is being a hindrance for the other editors to put necessary information. They with that crappy dialogue that I just made, who knows, they might really have accurate information to put, they're just discouraged, since their edits may end up being reverted back.
 * In my 5 month stay in here, (which kinda puts me in a position not to speak up in this matter) I have seen good edits, but has been reverted, because it is the LUT's job to update it, making the page untouchable.

And lastly..


 * I don't like the idea of: "someone-made-a-good-edit-but-because-they're-not-part-of-LUT-it'll-be-reverted-back" and all. I mean, even though I am not good at updating, I can, and even everyone can tell if the edit is good or not. Then they simply revert it back just because they aren't part of the team. Why? Why not just simply, supplement the missing details? Or correct the erroneous spots? Or if someone already made it, why not just simply incorporate the edit and yours? Though it may be kind of annoying that you spent hours writing a thing, but you cannot cry over a spilled milk. It has been done. Otherwise, lock a page then put a big notice that this page is yours and yours alone, so that other users would be notified. Not everyone in this wiki knows how the ropes should go. Not everyone is automatically good at filling out details.

So.. Yeah. This is pretty much everything that I want to say. So yeah, I wont (or depending on the situation) respond anymore after this.

Wow, there's ALOT of reading here.. I'll try to keep it short and sweet lol.

As God said, the LUT was made during a time where the articles were not being updated frequently. Now it functions like one of the Guilds on our wiki and it involves reserving jobs, keeping a jewel count and getting rewarded at the end of the month. When other users/ anons do attempt to make an edit, it messes up the jobs on the LUT and it just becomes a lose-lose situation to all.

I don't see why we cannot compromise to satiate to both anons and regular users, whether they are LUT members or not. I propose to keep the LUT and it's members in tact, but remove the jewel count/MOTM.

Why, you might ask?
 * 1) If someone else edits/ updates a character page, it won't matter since there isn't a jewel count. The person who reserved the job can still fix up whatever needs to be fixed.
 * 2) Without the need to reserve to get extravagant jobs to receive significant amounts of jewels, members can just take whatever job is available and whatever job they can dedicate themselves to completing right then and there.
 * 3) It's just much less stressful (for the Guild Master, the Members and the Wiki users)

Without the LUT and its regime, I highly doubt each and every character will be updated. That's something I can definitely promise you. Keeping the Tribe would ensure that everything is up to date and with the modifications proposed, it can be done in due time, which is pretty much why the Lightning Update Tribe stands.

Fudgemuffins, I said I'd keep it short.. sigh. 02:14, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

Umnei, we understand why the LUT was created in the first place and we all appreciate the work its members has done for the wiki. But it has since turned into something else, and that something else isn't beneficial. As Choko and God have pointed out, the LUT has become something of an 'elitist' group, where members reserve these edits for an imaginary currency, and if somebody outside of the group updates the information before a LUT member does, their own edit may be undone or at the very least reworded.

Take Flare, Happy and Juvia for example. These three pages I personally updated this week. However, afterwards the paragraphs were slightly reworded, and only reworded, by members of the LUT, who then claimed the jobs as "completed" by themselves for the reward. Personally, I do no care for jewels or that people may reword my edits afterwards (as such edits are simply over preference and not actually adding/removing content). But still, members of the LUT are taking credit for jobs that they only happened to claim on the LUT page, and were mostly done by another member with slight alterations by themselves.

My proposition; '''Keep the LUT page as a reference point for pages that need to be updated. Remove the reward system which is clearly no longer a necessary incentive for editing. Remove the 'taken by' and 'completed by' comments and just DO the job.''' Enough with the fight over edits, it's disappointing to see members of a high-quality wiki arguing and being disrespectful to other editors over something so petty. 03:18, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

The Lightning Update Tribe is not preventing anyone from summarizing a character's appearance in a chapter, but if a person writes the content incorrectly we will remove it and apply this wiki's layout correctly. When I see that one of my Mages sends out a message to a user, I tell them not to do it since the rules say that we will: "check over the summaries done by nonmembers." —and they understand and follow this, but apparently the people that want to summarize "forgot how to read" or just do it out of malice (or to prove a point when convenient). Most people that do the summaries rarely reference, add pictures, use the correct tense and correct grammar. God is trying to prove a point here, but he summarized many jobs and no one told him anything. Why? Because he did the job correctly. If one of the Mages sees a mistake, they will fix it. If a sentence could be written better, they will replace it. The Lightning Update Tribe stands for updating, but it mostly stands for checking over a person's work. Even when Choko sent out a message to someone the other day about that, I told him not to in chat; as well as when I see well-written summaries being reverted. I don't mean to point fingers or make anything bigger than what it truly is, but when a user uploads files with names like "File:Ch341FlareBathing.png", of course we will have to step in and "do" something. It doesn't necessarily mean that we are telling them to never update a page when we fix their mistakes. And God, I don't mean to insult you, but some of us have a life, as in work, school, and lify things to do, instead of being in front of a computer all day waiting for a chapter to come out and editing nonstop. We have to prioritize our real life before anything, and this includes the wiki. Even if we do not update them one or two hours after the chapter's release, they are update before Monday. And if they are not, the Mages know the consequences. With that being said, in my sentence you do not see anything saying "regular users are not to update pages." How long did it take you to update Happy, like you said? Not an hour, not two. As a matter of fact, I update all of my characters within the hour. And the others who took jobs and had time in their hands to do them, also completed them quickly. Timezones also play a big role in this, and that's not withing our control. If a person does not want to summarize a character page correctly, then that's on them, not on the LUT; learn to read directions. Kuro, we do not argue disrespectfully, we argue in a comedic way and then get over it; this wiki is just friendly and values personalities like such. 03:40, July 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * Mega, first off, I am not trying to prove a point in updating the pages. I did a few pages the other day because the new chapters were already out and these still had not been done. It had been a week and they had not received the updates they needed. I was hesitant to do so as in the past, members of the LUT were not happy that I had taken their jobs. I managed to get 5 different summaries done within 20 minutes though so obviously, doing a bunch of them in a short period is not hard. I realize everyone has lives outside of the wiki but a few of the members of the LUT sit on chat all the time and say they are bored. In my opinion, priority number 1 on the wiki each week should be keeping the character articles up to date. If you are on chat and saying you are bored, you obviously have time to update a few articles, something that is not happening. The team is the Lightning Update Tribe and yet it is not very lightning fast. Mega, you preach the ideals of the team and what it should be, but the fact is it is not what you hope it is. Members do revert good summaries and replace it with their own so they can get their jewels, members do tell others not to update pages and members are not getting pages updated with the speed that I know they are capable of. Worst of all is when members make a few wording adjustments to someone's summary then mark *completed by (their name)* on the LUT. That is taking credit for someone else's hard work and they get a reward for it when the person who did the majority of the work gets nothing. Put aside the ideal image of the LUT for a minute and think of the ideal image of what happens if it is disbanded. People update pages, don't worry about jewels, if someone already updated a page, then they move on to another. The fact of the matter is the LUT IS slowing things down and IS not working as it should. If the team is to stay, there needs to be some major changes. I think allowing members to only take one job at a time would be a huge improvement. You take one job and can't take another until you complete the first. This would allow the more active members to work quickly while the less active ones would not hold things up. And as you can see, several people are not happy with the reward system. If there was no reward, members would be less worried about making sure they do the summary and not someone else. Mega, I realize you love the LUT and it is your first project you got to lead, but I just do not believe it is necessary any longer.--


 * If it's about the jewels, that system can be gone; it's only meant to be used as a way to help people work faster to gain something. But you guys are mostly speaking about the time it takes us to complete the jobs, and that we don't "allow" people to do jobs. Also, you are saying that by eliminating this team people will gain the confidence to edit articles...well, at the same time you are saying that you and Kuro can handle all of the characters' summaries quickly. Even if people can only take one job and complete it before moving to the next, it will make no difference if the jobs will be completed as quickly as you say. 04:19, July 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * Basically, the fact that there is a team dedicated solely to updating pages discourages users from updating pages just due to its very existence. Im not saying the LUT is bad or anything, I just think the wiki would be more efficient without it at this point because there are several members of the wiki not in the LUT that would happily update some pages were the LUT not there. Myself, Kuro, Rif, Red, Choko and several others would all likely be happy to do what they can when the chapter comes out. I'm not saying that things need to be done the second the chapter is out. Hell, the chapters usually come out around 4 or 5 in the morning for me. But I think giving until Monday is too long. Were everyone encouraged to do what they can when they can, I feel as though nothing would ever be left past Saturday. I thank the LUT for all they have done, but I don't feel its necessary any more when a simple list of what needs to be done would suffice. I just feel the LUT is a very anti-editor idea.--


 * Mega, I understand that as one of the leaders of the LUT you might see these changes as crossing a personal line, but you need to calm down a little and just look at the situation from a few steps back. The concept of the LUT is great, having a group that jumps onto the ball and gets all the work done to a high standard is an amazing ideal to strive for - but right now that isn't happening. When I speak of disrespect, I was referring to the 'corrections' made to my edits. This isn't fixing a mistake, it's just rewording what was already said. And when credit for the entire job is given to someone else, it basically feels like my contribution doesn't matter. I may have only started editing here, but I am still an experienced editor on the wikia at large and being treated as a novice is being disrespectful. I can tell the difference between a joke, and a genuine jab. As for the image, I'll gladly accept that the name I gave it is considered incorrect on this wiki, I understand that and don't object - I moved on with the knowledge learnt. But Mega, insulting us isn't going to help your cause. When you say to God, "I don't mean to insult you, but some of us have a life," well that's true. We are all busy. And things like timezones are also a factor. But should the restrictions of one user really affect everybody else? If one person is free and willing, they should be able to edit without having to worry about being undone or ignored by the LUT member who was too busy at the time.  04:54, July 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * As a matter of fact, I actually did fix a mistake, especially the first sentence that I edited, as it made little to no sense from grammatical point of view. The rest was indeed just rewording but as one who had that job taken, I simply felt it sounded better that way. I personally inquired whether I should remove the job from the list if it was done by you and was told that unless I did not edit the summary at all, it was fine to keep it. Again, as a matter of fact, one of the LUT's jobs is to check over already done summaries which is what I did, therefore I don't see a problem. How many jewels I get for it is up to Mega but as I said below, I never cared about jewels, I just wanted to see the jobs being done and properly. 10:13, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

Mkay. Fucking textbook here.

I do agree that the LUT has become a little outdated now that we have so many more capable users to help with summaries, but that being said I see no reason why it should be shut completely.

The reason the group was made in the first place was because none of the minor characters were getting updates. You can argue all you want that the major characters need immediate updating but that was already happening before the Tribe anyways. If you guys outside the Tribe are so on top of every character that needs updating then why am I about to go and update Macao for *glances at her list* 12 chapters outside the latest three that he hasn't been accounted for?? And before you say that you haven't gotten to them yet, these are as early as chapter 274. I believe if you take the Tribe away completely we will only return to what we had before: the main characters all being fine but the others having holes. That was one of the main reasons the group was made in the first place. To get EVERY character.

I do agree with what you are saying about time and outside users updating. I myself have only reverted summary edits that are poor and out of line with Policy. In fact, if I logged on in the morning to do my jobs and found someone had already done it I removed it from the list entirely rather than saying I completed it so I didn't get their credit.

Now, I know the first thing from that last paragraph you want to jump on is "in the morning". I've already seen plenty of people bitching about how we do our jobs the day after and later and such. Thanks Mega for pointing out that not all of us have the ability to be here 24/7. The chapter release for me is usually around 11PM. By the time I've read, written the chapter summary like I normally do (you should try it some time - it actually takes time to get everything in) and have fixed up all of the other shit that flows in immediately after chapter release it's usually about 1AM. I am not a robot... I like to sleep. What makes me sad is that you guys are complaining when we still GET THE JOB DONE. As Leli mentioned, I think the only problem here is that you guys just want to help, in which case I agree with taking away jewels and just having a list for everyone to check over and mark when it's done. No saving jobs and what not. But, the complete shut down of the Tribe would only mean that Macao and others continue to be overlooked.

What to do then? Keep the Tribe and keep the list. Keep the rules so that others looking to help have a place to quickly read them over and see who needs to be summarised. Lose the Jewels, the reserving and the members. Make it... more like... more like a to-do list, where people can come and see "oh yeah, that's done/I did that" and cross it off.

Whatever though. That's my chapter added.

04:03, July 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Carrot, that is pretty much exactly what I am proposing. Keep the list so people know what needs to be done, but drop the formalities of members and jewels. Just a list of what needs to be done that everyone contributes to.--

*sees everyone's very long opinions*...*cries*...I didn't read anything up there since I was so lazy to :3 because you guys might affect my thoughts, but I think it's better we keep LUT since there are some characters which may not be "given focus to" and might not be updated at all. I was talking about those minor characters usually not noticed, and they might be left out. I just think it's better to have people dedicated and assigned to update everything. And... we also can't expect everyone to read the chapter the minute of its release every week, so I understand that the character summaries are not done immediately, but I think it could be... a bit changed, perhaps. I don't know... ( ._.) Well, why not give it another chance rather than removing it immediately? You might now know what could happen. Regrets are always in the end, right? Uhh... Give it a chance and a change. :)

I'm gonna say a few things, and that'll be the end of it for me. This is waaaaaaaay too controversial for my tastes. :/

Things are being taken in ways they shouldn't, both in the positive and negative regards, but I'm gonna point a few things out that other people have said, but the more the merrier, right?

Is the LUT always fast? No, but it does ensure that all the characters get updated, regardless of the time it takes. Some people should stop telling others not to update the pages because they did it wrong, or because they're not to their particular standards, rather, they should just write over it so that the person can see what to do next time, rather than making them feel bad. If it is unreferenced, then that is a different story, but if it is not, then I see no reason to hurt another person's feelings.

The jewels, in my opinion, are most likely better off going. I know my bro uses them as an incentive, and it works to a point, but people (I'm guilty of it as well) are just making the list and taking the better jobs for fear that they won't have a good part, breeding unneeded tension. I know that we sometimes bargain with our fellow members for trading jobs, and it works, but bad blood is bad blood, and any small amount is not a good thing.

Overall, I say keep the LUT, eliminate the jewels, and add a rule or two to get rid of the anti-editor feelings that may arise, and have arisen, from this. With no jewels, if someone beats you to the punch, no hard feelings, cuz you didn't lose anything. Just check the person's summary over (and really, just check it over) to see if it was well done. That way you did your job as a member of the LUT, and if you were busy, you know that if someone capable did it, then it was fine. Interesting points were made that if someone capable did it, and you just changed bits here and there before ultimately taking the credit for it and getting a reward, it's very wrong. No matter how minor the character is, you may be taking credit for someone else's work, and that's not cool. (._. )

I apologize in advance if I struck a few nerves, but I feel as though I needed to say something, even though I really, really didn't want to. -___-" 05:21, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

Going to keep this short. At the current method we still do not have pages such as Lisanna Strauss updated from Chapter 340. If everyone was able to chip in then it'd have been done much much quicker. 07:26, July 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Countering your statement: Everyone is up to date with the information from the past 3 chapters (338-340), Lisanna included. 07:29, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

too much to read... can someone summarize it for me plz? :P jk 07:34, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

After reading through all the comments above, I thought I'd give my own, through a personal experience.

I've been on this wiki since July 2012 and, up until September, I didn't even know a group like LUT existed(embarrassing, I know). Up until then, I always updated character pages that I found unupdated, and I never got a message on my wall on that matter, or even had my edit undone. Why is that? I think it's because I had read through all the guidelines carefully. Did someone else from LUT take credit for my own work? Maybe, but let's not miss the point, which is having all the pages updated.

Do I support users having their quality edits undone, or used under the name of someone else? Hell no, that was just me not caring about such stuff. Personally, I had never heard of LUT members undoing good edits or encouraging users not to touch their jobs. Must be because I rarely use chat anymore.

This, however, is the members' fault and not the team's(no offense to the members who do this, I don't even know(or want to know) who they are), which I think is a wonderful project that can secure the update of all the character pages, the right way. I think LUT has much potential, and it would be a pity if it was wasted. Everyone can be satisfied, and the LUT can stay at the same time.

I suggest the LUT stays, but with some modifications. Here are my own suggestions:
 * The jewel system can be abandoned. LUT does not need it, because, unlike wiki guilds, people are actually very much willing to update the pages without getting any reward, other than the joy of contributing or updating the page of their favorite character.
 * I would not suggest the team gone, or it becoming simply a list of character pages that need updating. That's because some members(just like many non-members) are good editors, and they can use their editing skills to see if the pages were updated correctly(many are not, and need reverting, heavy rewording or referencing, not to mention image adding). If not, they can guide the editors who made the edits, explain to them what they did wrong, and generally contribute to more and more users learning how to update pages. That way, work per user becomes less and it also gets done faster. Also, the wiki gets more good editors who know what they're doing, which is always very good.

All in all, rather than an "updating team", LUT could evolve to a team that updates pages that no one wants to update, checks on the edits that are already done to the pages they have "taken" and actually teaches users how to update character pages, if the pages were updated before the members could get to them by non-members and their edits are bad. With the jewel system gone, the "vibe" you guys are talking about or the aggressive behaviour of some members will be gone.

That's my own opinion on the LUT issue. I hope you guys get what I'm talking about.

09:08,7/13/2013
 * Hooray for Raven-Wrath same conclusion! \o/ 09:10, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

I have yet to read the novels above but from discussion on Rai's talk page and thanks to Wrath summing it up for me in the chat, I have the basic idea of the whole thing. So here is my take on this issue as one of the LUT members:


 * 1) I couldn't care less about jewels. I don't do this for a reward but rather satisfaction of well done job. So feel free to get rid of them if you wish so. However, this isn't the main problem and won't solve anything, in my opinion.
 * 2) I've also been perfectly fine with the so-called "outsiders" editing the pages before I do them as long as it's done correctly - which, in most cases, is not. That is also why most of the edits get undone, it's not because only LUT is allowed to touch them - that was never the case, but because those summaries were beyond any repairs.
 * 3) As far as I'm concerned, this part of the issue is the biggest problem for me: While I'm fine with other people writing the summaries, I get quite annoyed to see someone quickly finishing up my job, whether on purpose or not, as I'm working on it at that time. As a matter of fact, this happened to me this week as well. It's extremely discouraging and takes away the fun I have while editing, because I feel stressed enough to think that someone may just finish this before me so I need to hurry the fuck up, leading to uncomfortable situations and increases the possibility of making a mistake. This needs to change.

Therefore, till now, I still support God's suggestion on the matter. Anyone may take the jobs, however, they may take only one at time and have to finish it right away. This will be a sign that the said person is working on that article so others should be kind enough not to interfere. I also suggest that Mega, or even whole LUT as it is right now, stays as some kind of a supervision team which checks the edits done by others. That way, we'll make sure that the edits are top notch.

09:54, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

I only support God's suggestion about letting "anyone take only one job at a time and finish it in 1 hour" since it lets people know they're working on the page and not edit the page until the job gets done, and also remove the jewel system as well.

Decision
This is starting to get too much to read. I think we should write what we want in the form of a sentence for Rai's convenience.

Keep LUT, remove jewel count/MOTM 22:47, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

Sounds fantastic.

Keep the LUT, remove jewel count/MoTM, add a new rule forbidding the phrasing "Leave it to the LUT" or any variant thereof. 22:50, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

I second what was said above; keep the Lightning Update Tribe, and remove the jewel system. In addition, the "anyone can edit articles" will be stated as bluntly as possible on the LUT's project page. 23:58, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

Keep LUT as a supervision team, allow anyone take one job per time and it has to be finished right away, then one may take another job. This will be necessary to assure that we don't edit conflict each other. 07:07, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

Keep LUT as a kind of supervising group. Remove jewel count/MotM, make a large list of things which need updating that anyone can edit. But people can only take one job at a time and must put their name next to the page on the list and have to finish it asap. So basically one big list, with the LUT as supervisors of the edits. 07:18, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

I think my brain exploded from seeing all that text. You guys really are suited to writing Summaries >_> Anyways. I go with the same thing the others have said. As long as people get to update pages without getting edit conflict, I'm happy. So this is first-come first-served. You put your sig under the character you want and you go do that shit and no-one else can take the job unless of course you take too goddamn long. We should set a time-limit for those that have accepted a job otherwise we might get more issues. -- 08:09, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

Keep LUT, remove the jewel system, and let people take one job at a time.

Reformat the LUT into just a list of what needs to get done. Drop jewels and members. People can take 1 job at a time but have to do it immediately.--

Keep the LUT, remove Jewel/MotM system, make it a supervising team that checks the jobs that are done and does the jobs of small characters that no one else wants to. 16:21,7/16/2013

Voting
Alright whores, vote away. The voting section is for votes only. All that's needed is your vote and signature. All reasons should have been placed above, and if they aren't, you can still place them up there. This is to keep the voting section easy to read and navigate. 23:55,7/16/2013

Remove Jewels/MoM
23:55,7/16/2013
 * Keep the LUT. Remove Jewels and Mage of the Month, and make it extremely clear that anyone, LUT member or not, is free to update the pages.

23:56, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

00:05, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

00:42, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Supervisors
Keep the LUT. Remove Jewels and Mage of the Month, make a list of pages that need to be done, but allow anyone to do the pages. The jobs must be done one at a time and immediately as they are reserved. The Mages of the LUT will act as supervisors, meaning that they will check over the jobs that the entire wiki does.

List
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 * Keep the LUT. Remove Members, Jewels, and Mage of the Month, and make the guild a list where anyone can take jobs, but jobs must be done one at a time and immediately as they are reserved.