Talk:Natsu Dragneel/Archive 2

The amount of pictures
What is the point in having so many pictures? They rarely appear to demonstrate anything, seem to be mostly trivial and make the article appear cluttered with the amount of them. Would I be in opposed in trimming them down (perhaps heavily)? Dalyup! 17:38, April 25, 2011 (UTC)

Any good article is well illustrated. Very few people like to read a humongous wall of text. I can only count a few of Natsu's pictures that should be removed, and that's because they are really just trivial and not important. Also even if they are removed I think they should be replaced with pictures that are important to the arc. I personally wouldn't oppose trimming maybe 4 them, but I don't recommend trimming them heavily. I've listed the 4 below, but as I said earlier, I wouldn't remove them until more relevant ones can be added so we don't have huge walls of text.


 * I would say there's only 4 worth keeping (okay, that's an exaggeration). The rest to me do not seem to help further a point or are already stated in the text which just make it seems redundant. However, I am more worried about how the images clutter the article, even if that many are needed. Would a more agreeable option be to place the images in a gallery like the one in the appearance section? Dalyup! 21:53, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I don't really agree with putting them in a gallery. The pictures are placed near the corresponding text in order to illustrate important parts of the text they are reading and give them a better idea of what is happening. Natsu's page isn't really all that cluttered, and it's only natural that he'd have a good amount of pics since he is the main character.


 * Hmm, yes, that is certainly true. I see that we generally disagree so it would be helpful for others to state their opinion. Dalyup! 22:55, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

The battle against Hades Section...
That "paragraph" is a bit too detailed... do you guys think we should cut down on every little detail? Personally, a shorter summary is much easier to read than reading all the fine prints... Chaos Knight -{E-mail}  03:16, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

I agree since if the readers want to know the details, the fight pages and chapter summaries exist for that purpose.

agreed. 11:13, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

I cut it down a little but I don't think it was enough 22:22, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, that's my fault. I have a problem with making very detailed edits.Shanghaikid2007 14:08, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Natsu being a human
His infobox states him being a human. However, this has never been confirmed and there are some hints that he might not be a human, especially the "nobody over 80 or stone statues can pass" spell. There are several theories about him being a dragon in human form, and I know that these are just theories and shouldn't be taken into account, but there is no reasonable explanation for why a 80-year-old (possibly older) human would look like a teenager (he is not Zeref who might have used advanced magic to keep his appearance young), nor should a human have stone statue properties. As said before, those are just theories, but objectively seen there are more hints that he is not a human than that he is a human. So shouldn't his race tag just be removed until we know more? Like for example Yomazu whose race is also ambiguous. 83.89.59.170 02:00, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

There have never really been any hints that he's not human. Gajeel was also unable to pass through the gate, so who's to say that it isn't because of their Dragon Slayer Magic? Mashima never explicitly stated why Natsu and Gajeel weren't able to pass through the barrier, but there is far more evidence of him being human than him being anything else.

Also there may be the possibility that they simply are over 80 years old. I say this because, during their training they had no contact with humans at all. Who's to say time passed normally while they trained with their dragons? My own personal theory is that, while living with their dragons, the slayers were outside of the normal time stream of Fiore. A year in the kingdom of Fiore may have been simply hours or a day to Natsu and Gajeel. Another theory is that due to the magic of the dragon, for whom time means nothing, the slayers aged slower then a normal human. After all if they had no access to calenders, clocks or even other people how could Natsu and Gajeel be sure of the amount of time they spent with their dragons. They simply say they were with them for a few years as that is how old they look to others. There obviously is no proof of this theory however it allows for dragon slayers to still be considered human.(Midnight)

Speculation. But it makes some sense. -- Guilhermeアベ  23:39,12/12/2011

--Wolfman94 (talk) 19:46, July 25, 2012 (UTC)Well my theory is that dragons age slower then humens now that means that there magic also grow slower then humens but sence Gajeel and natsu are humens there magic grows faster and sence age=magic power for dragons what stop gajeel and natsu from crossing freeds barrier was not there actual age but there magics age.

he died in the latest chapter
why dont guys got him did yet he was killed with the others the black dragon attack in destroy them in the island so list him as dead he has been dead for 7 years (74.141.196.236 19:00, October 1, 2011 (UTC))

I dunno if they'll stay that way, but I agree that for now we should probably assume all the members of Fairy Tail that were on the Island are dead. That seems to be the way the writer wanted us to see it, what with him saying there was a year and a half search but no survivors were found. 86.164.99.55 06:36, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

Since his body was never found, we can't tell for sure that he is dead. The same goes for the rest of the fairies. Also, do you really think that Hiro Mashima would kill all of the main characters? Let's wait for the next few chapters to see what happens. 06:46, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

I think it's what he wants us to think. What does it hurt to list them as presumed deceased or deceased for a week? We can easily change it if anything is mentioned in the next chapter. Just for the sake of keeping things up to date, it should probably be mentioned that they're presumed deceased. 86.164.99.55 07:10, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

That would be speculation. 07:12, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

How is it any less speculatory than saying they're somehow alive? They were on an island that got hit by a massive attack and was completely destroyed, there was a 1.5 year search for survivors, none were found, nobody has heard from or seen them for seven years. That's evidence supporting their deaths. Evidence supporting they're alive? It's a Shonen manga and/or the author wouldn't kill off that many characters at once. Presumed deceased is the way to go with this. 86.162.34.46 09:33, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

How old is Natsu?
I remember before it said that Natsu was 16 but now there's nothing there. And in the manga it says unknown. So as far as I say he has to be between Lucy's age and Erza's age. Is that going to stay blank until further notice?

Well, since we don't know why Natsu got stucked in Freed's runes, I think that Natsu's age is still unknown. Guilhermeアベ 00:05,12/12/2011

Add Trivia
can i add this to the trivia "Ironic that his nickname(salamander) is an amphibian but also may refer to the fire salamander."  Animaltamer7

I think it's considered junk trivia. 11:03, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, as Tutles said, that is junk trivia. 13:04, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

New Quote
May I add this quote? It's long yeah.. (To Sting Eucliffe)"It's for our comrades. For 7 years... Always... They were waiting for us... No matter how tough it was, no matter how sad. Even if they were made fools of, they endured and endured... and protected the guild. For our comrades, we'll show you... The proof that Fairy Tail has kept going! And that's why we'll keep moving forward!!!" ref: Fairy Tail Maga: Chapter 276, Pages 16-17

Would this quote replace the quote on the top of the page? If it will, I oppose this idea as it says more about Natsu's comrades than Natsu. 08:48, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

No.. i'll just add it below because it's really touching ^^ and you can feel his spirit with that quote..

That's fine with me just add the reference.. 09:20, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Okay there.. ^^ I didn't add the ref <> because it causes error..

So when to add it?

Yeah, you can add it 14:09, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Okay.. Thanks! ^^

Natsu's Scarf
Aside from it protecting him from Zeref's black magic, I feel like theres alot we can speculate about it. I feel like theres more to it than Igneel simply giving it to him.

1) Perhaps its from the Celestial World? That is how he was able to grab Virgo and go into the Celestial World, since it is Celestial Clothing (it was wrapped around his neck, from his hips, when him and co. officially went into the spirit world)

2) The scarf is pre-historic, or from Zeref's time, hence Natsu not being able to exit Freed's runes back in the Fighting Festival Arc.

so am I on a roll? :)

Those sound like nice theories, but they're still speculation :P ;)

-- 17:32, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

I could agree with your second point, however who is to say the scarf is pre-historic. Remember, neither natsu or his comrade the iron dragon slayer were able to bypass the barrier. So either it was natsu himself or they both possessed an object from ancient time, however the rules state that "anybody above 80" couldn't pass through, the term "anybody" often refers to people or living organisms rather than clothing" so the scarf could be excluded from this.

94.171.191.222 01:21, April 7, 2012 (UTC)JustSomeGuy94.171.191.222 01:21, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Cat Barrier
Hmm.. Can Neko Barrier or Cat Barrier be added somewhere in his page (Gag techniques or somewhere)? He used a large cat stuff toy as a shield in Wally's attacks (though I think there's no reason for it to be a gag). It can be seen in Chapter 84, page 8. I'm just confused @_@  11:46, June 6, 2012 (UTC)

The attack "Lightning Flame Dragon's Firing Hammer" is missing in Natsu's abilities. --89.176.75.26 13:45, June 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Updated, thanks for notifying. 14:17, June 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Is it really a "Dragon Slayer's Secret Art"? --89.176.75.26 08:11, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Was going to ask the same question as the first bit, Should "Cat Barrier" and other Cat attacks that he used while fighting with Wally and Milliana?? Because while I was looking at Lucy Heartfilia's page and I saw she has her own Lucy Kick as an ability but those "attacks" that Natsu did are not counted. Was thinking that it should be in this page and maybe its own page too 11:54, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Natsu is Human!
Natsu is human. The reason he couldn't pass through the "80 years or older ruin" is because Dragon Slayer Magic is an ancient art. That is why Gajeel couldn't get through either and if Wendy was there, she wouldn't be able to get through either.

Pure speculation. 14:47, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

"I found out all of your habits"
Do you think we should add in the ability he used to take down Sting and Rogue? I.E. being able to seemingly figure out an opponent's subconscious physical habits and then use that knowledge to predict what they'll do next before they do it?

I'm asking this because it's not up there right now, and I'm wondering if there's a specific reason for that. 46.33.142.30 00:04, December 29, 2012 (UTC) 46.33.142.30 00:04, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

Age?
The infobox lacks information about his age. Has his age really never been stated somewhere? DarkblueFlow (talk) 01:22, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

Nope; never stated. :P

Wow, that's one lack of information. ;D DarkblueFlow (talk) 11:33, February 7, 2013 (UTC)