Talk:Zeref Dragneel

Zeref & Mavis' relationship confirmed as of Anime
Chapter 340 Page 14 - 19 revealed that both related & Zeref could be the former guild member & one of the founding member whom actually Mavis' lover

Speculations. 18:13, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

Slowing Magic
So, it was just added to Zeref's M&A that he can use Slowing Magic, though I don't agree with this. The spell he used in Tartarus against those guards around Natsu to me seemed completely different to anything we have seen Slowing Magic achieve: the room turned black, people literally froze in mid-air, there was no "slowing", more like "freezing". In my eyes there should be a new spell made under the Black Arts section of his Magic; however, I'm open to other suggestions for what he did/what we should name it.

So, Slowing Magic or something different? What do you guys think?

07:35, April 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree. Better to use something new for it. Though I don't think freezing-magic or something similar would cut it. I think the whole thing with the frozen time, the negative colours and something like a body appearing were all part of a single elaborate spell. NoNickNeeded (talk) 07:39, April 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yep, I'm a little stumped as to what to call it as well. I mean, he kinda froze time, but it was all different, and yes, I think it was all part of one big spell. And even then, it's not Death or Living Magic, but I guess it comes under the Black Arts? XD Lol, I have no idea :P Maybe... Dark Suspension? ... .... or something? ^__^" 07:48, April 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Tbh it's like he created a void to talk to Natsu, or some alternate dimension. Kinda reminds me of what Zero did when he was fighting Natsu in the final part of OS arc. Except this one ends up super dark in appearance, more creepy, and people died :D. Should we call it like Black Arts Void? Okay lame name ( _ _) 07:52, April 16, 2014 (UTC)

I actually don't know if it's Slowing Magic. Celestial SPirit King paused the time to prevent Loke's glasses from falling (as stated here), so I though Zeref stopping time would be the same case. Sorry ^__^V 07:41,4/16/2014
 * Hmmmm... I think the CSK is marked incorrectly too. I mean, the whole point of Slowing Magic is that it's mental: the person's sense of time is fudged over... time doesn't actually stop. As such, I think only Racer should be labelled as using that Magic. CSK and Zeref should have something else. 07:48, April 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay then! I just put that ther eearlier cause of CSK. Well, since it's also incorrect, I agree that what Zeref and CSK do are not Slowing Magic :) 07:49,4/16/2014

I'm against slowing magic. When I think of slowing magic, I'm thinking of what Racer did/does. I agree it's like some sort of dark magic that seem to freeze people in a time-space void since the entire area turned black or grid-like *trying to sound like a professor in quantum physics and space time continuum*. But I've no idea what to name it though. D: 07:45, April 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * For the sake of naming, Darkness Halt sounds good and corny at the same time (in my opinion XD) 07:55,4/16/2014


 * I don't think "Darkness Halt" cuts it, since that would only refer to the freezing, but leave the rest of the spell alone. It's first and fore-most a communication spell. Same goes for void, since that would mean the absence or disappearance of something, but the spell does neither.
 * In my fanfict I let Zeref refer to his spell as "the Sending" due to lack of better ideas. Maybe squeeze a Dark in front for "Dark Sending"? Whatever name we come up with, I think we should make it sound like a transportation or communication technique. Preferably something that can mean both, since we are still not sure if Zeref teleported there, or just created projection with some added effects. NoNickNeeded (talk) 08:00, April 16, 2014 (UTC)

Time Manipulation? 08:46, April 16, 2014 (UTC)

It would seem they were in a different dimension or field, in a place where time runs so slowly you can't even notice or completely stopped. That's the only possibilities I can't think of. I doubt it's Zeref communicating in Natsu's mind since the sword he used got disintegrated in real life. Standstill? Blackout? Dark Render? Negative Field? Inverse Field? Inverse World? Gummy Bears?

I don't have any ideas for what we can name it but I do agree on the fact that what we saw was not Slowing Magic and should be classified as something else, either something new or something within the Black Arts. 09:34, April 16, 2014 (UTC)

WHat the CSK and Zeref are doing are different. Though I agree that what Zeref does was a spell of Black Arts. CSK, on the other hand, probably was just an effect from going from the CSWorld to Earthland, as 1 day in the CSW is 3 months in Earthland... 11:27,4/16/2014

I do believe its a different Magic than slowing Magic because Racer's Magic affected everyone inside his area of effect, while this Magic allows the user (CSK/Zeref) to stop time except for its target (Lucy/Natsu). It seems to me that this Magic allows the user to create a "pocket" in time if you know what I mean :P 12:13, April 16, 2014 (UTC)

How about call it Immobilization Magic? Completely stops the movement of objects... If anyone watched Charmed before... I'm using Piper as a reference. 16:26, April 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * Ooooh that's a good one ^_^ Charmed ftw x3 09:54, May 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * Funny how Charmed has almost the same number of episodes as the original anime. I wonder what the anime-only fans that watched Charmed felt when FT anime ended :/ And yes sounds good. But I have to say that "Suspension" does sound catchy and could look like a reference. -- 10:06, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

Kay bitches, let's move this along. There are a few votes that need to be decided, so make sure you leave a vote in every section...

Magic Name
First, we seem to all want Zeref to have a new Magic that is not Slowing Magic. We've had a few names thrown in here, so place a vote for what you want.

Dark Suspension

 * 1) There are many I don't mind here, but I still like my proposal for some reason~  14:41, May 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * 2) NoNickNeeded (talk) 22:23, May 6, 2014 (UTC)

Black Arts Void
I swear I don't suck with names >_>. Zeref uses black arts + it was a dimensional void so black arts + void = black arts void \( ^_^)/ 14:44, May 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * How was it a void? A void is a space with nothing in it. Everything that was in the affected area before the spell, was still there during the spell. Some of it was frozen and colour-inversed, but it was still all there, including oxigen for Natsu to breathe. NoNickNeeded (talk) 18:05, May 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * To me, I first thought of a void. -_- Don't need to get all technical about it .. seriously .. 02:27, May 7, 2014 (UTC)

Dark Render

 * 1) Ironically, as much as I love my own suggestion, I'll go with Rem's cause it sounds cool  14:46, May 6, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry guys, but we only use descriptive names for unnamed Magics and spells. Dark Render does not do that job, therefore, this name is not suitable. Same with Inverse Field/World, Negative Field, Dark Sending and Blackout. 21:29, May 6, 2014 (UTC)

Immobilization Magic
This fits the best imo :/ The name of the magic should be something clear and descriptive, so as much as some of the other proposals sound cool, I don't think they should be used. 14:50, May 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * My plan was to put all the above under Black Arts rather than making a new Magic. Like, they are spells under Black Arts. 14:51, May 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. Got confused by 'Magic' in this subsection's title. Regardless, I still think this one fits well ;P 15:10, May 6, 2014 (UTC)

Most descriptive and that's we need to have for unnamed Magics. 16:43, May 6, 2014 (UTC)

Lols, a lot of options (freakin' Rem!) but pick one. If you wanna, add another option and what not.

Secondly, we have to decide what to do with the CS King's page, as he also has Slowing Magic listed. Leave another vote here:

Remove Slowing Magic from his page and replace with Time Manpulation

 * 1) He doesn't even have that much written there and we don't even know if it's a Magic he uses or something else, so screw new Magic names and stuff, let's just put "Time Manipulation" and move on.  14:41, May 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * 2) Slowing Magic slows down the "victim" and thus any object or being outside the area of effect seems to move incredibly fast. The CSK's magic on the other hand is either doing the exact opposite or affecting time itself, since Lucy and Loke saw the glasses stop in mid-air. NoNickNeeded (talk) 17:59, May 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * 3) Totally transposing the trumpet melody for Eleanor Rigby for my bari sax. :D  02:07, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * Woah, you play a bari Wrath? :D I used to play an alto ^__^ Have fun... I always found transpos really hard to do T^T I'm sure it'll sound great though ;D 02:11, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yuh, I've played the saxophone for years now (started on alto, went to tenor then acquired bari), but I find transposing really easy, just time consuming. :/ Good thing one of my instructors showed me this for something a bit more legible than my hand-writen staff paper scribbles, and with a way to let me hear what I put in too. ;D 02:14, May 7, 2014 (UTC)

Remove Slowing Magic from his page and replace with a new Magic

 * 1) Seems to be the same Magic as Zeref used so I think that's what should be used.  16:44, May 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * 2) Actually... Natsu saw the soldiers freeze midair the same way that Natsu and Lucy saw the water and glasses freeze, so I think I'll side with Reli after all  18:14, May 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * 3) I disagree. When Zeref used his Magic everything went into the negative, certain people in the area stopped moving and were incapacitated, hence why I'm voting for a spell name to be put under Black Arts above, as I feel it was a Black Arts spell. For the CS King, time just froze around Lucy and Loke, but the water still moved and all that shiz. And, again, though I hate to bring up confusing crap, the freezing happened as soon as the CS King appeared. We don't know if he cast a spell of if it's some sort of thing he has on him to stop time because he's the top Spirit or if he has some sort of other ability. As such, stating that a CS Spirit and Zeref are using the same Magic when they look very different and one was never even seen casting anything is a bit of a stretch in my eyes.  02:00, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * 4) Because it's not like I have anything better to do with my life right now. ( .____.)  02:07, May 7, 2014 (UTC)

Removed Votes
Let's just finish this 14:50, May 6, 2014 (UTC)

I can live with this one. NoNickNeeded (talk) 18:00, May 6, 2014 (UTC)